Looking at an AT boot acquisition and just considering these vs Lange Rossi…
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They are supposed to be based off the RX, but I found em to be wider. K2 prod manager here says they coming up w true LV boot this year.
recon 130 doesn’t have LT fittings. You’d have to get the team recon 140 which will have the toes but no heel. Only the mindbender will have both. I ski the recon 130 boa and absolutely love them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crystal Skier
I normally ski in a Doberman plug boot. I have a pair of recon 140s. Had to use a different liner and they’re certainly wider than a Doberman, but the fit is good enough. I actually skied them a lot this spring after spending a week in flip flops in mexico and came to really like them. I bought them specifically because they have pins but no walk mode.
Yeah I've shattered 2 pairs of recons 130 and 140s . Still my favorite boot I have over 500 days on a pair of 130s. They're on their second pair of liners . Comfort is king. The mindbender 130s are too soft for me out of the box so I put recon liners in them ( stiff plastic tongue on liner) still too soft for me for a resort boot and I rarely tour so they only get a few laps early season and late. Buy k2 boots through a shop not online or direct from k2 because if the shells break the shop will go to bat for you sending an email to k2s warranty dept will try your patience
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[QUOTE=altacoup;7114549I bought them specifically because they have pins but no walk mode.[/QUOTE]
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I’m eyeing the 2023 Recon Team, which had four buckles. Or the 2024 or 25 Recon 140 BOA specifically because of pins and no walk mode.
Coming from a Lange RS130. I read months ago that the K2 last is based on the RS. Any truth to that?
Yeah, as Irip is saying, the last is based on the RX, according to Tom Pietrowski (k2) on skitalk.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaijin
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Yeah the recon last is currently based on some of our favorite features from the Lange Rx with some of our own adaptions added. But if you fit well into a Lange rx recon/anthem/mindbender should work well.
Any questions on the different models let me know.
I tried on the mindbender boa and it had way more volume than the recon team. Does the new recon team have the same last or is it narrower?
Solid info from everyone here much appreciated. Leaning toward the 25’ Recon 140 with just the front pins. Noticed K2 chose a wrap liner with a BOA cable vs tongue liner with BOA like on the 24’ Mind bender 130. Is there a touch of performance compromise with the wrap liner? What considerations came into play vs a tongue with BOA on the Recon?Quote:
Originally Posted by tompietrowski
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The internal volume of the Recon Team and Mindbender BOA is identical in all but the forefoot width. The recon team used a slightly thicker shell wall to achieve the 98mm fit but all our testers have said they are able to get the BOA shell to actually fit snugger than the team shell which is why we discontinued using it.Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
We do however have a true LV shell coming in limited sizes in Jan 2025.
Main reason for changing to the Wrap from the tongue liner was we had some complaints that the tongue liner was hard to put on. The Wrap BOA liner is much easier to open which makes to easier to take on and off. The wrap liner also has the benefit of being slightly stiffer so when combined with the 140 shell it really helps those boots flex as they should.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crystal Skier
One difference you will find is the Wrap may fell a little bigger out of the box compared to the tongue liners. We use a different thermo molding process which results in the liner feeling more like it is has already bedded in. This means pack out should be minimal but they will feel a little bigger than the tongue equivalents however once the tongue liners bed it they would feel the same. Just something to consider when trying on the boots.
We do have a limited edition Mindbender coming in Nov 24 which still uses the BOA tongue liner.
Tom, appreciate you being here. Important shit: Alpine or grip walk on these new boots? Buckles or boa? I'm stoked on your company throwing your hat in the ring for LV boots, as K2 is really well distributed where I live.Quote:
Originally Posted by tompietrowski
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+1 Tom. Thanks for being present to answer questions in real time.Quote:
Originally Posted by tompietrowski
Happy to help!!Quote:
Originally Posted by arild
So new boot is boa lower only but we will offer a buckle cuff as well as the new boa cuff option. Gripwalk or alpine and the top men’s and women’s flex will come with both in the box. The unisex team boot will come with gripwalk only but it also has a tech insert in the toe.
Awesome that you guys are coming out with a true low volume boot. The touring boot market is seriously lacking lv options.Quote:
Originally Posted by tompietrowski
Starting to sound like a very sexy pair of clogs. Color me intrigued! 96 or 97 last at 26.5?Quote:
Originally Posted by tompietrowski
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They will have a 96-98mm last in the 26.5. The overall volume is good and low, think atomic redster heel and Dalbello drs mid and forefoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by arild
Damn that sounds awesome. I’m pretty good on boots right now. But these might be too good to pass on. I hope they sell well and stay in the lineup.
Thank you! Yeah we are pretty stoked on them, they have already become the team riders boot of choice. They were actually the boot Max Hitzig used to win the Freeride World Tour last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
I suggest you try Hawx ultra XTD, it’s very low volume compared to most walk mode boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
Hawk ultra XTD is my main touring boot right now, along with backland carbon for bigger missions. I like the recon for side country skiing and it has a more traditional alpine boot feel. That said I’d like it even more if it was even lower volume.
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Is 25.5 a Jan 2025 size?Quote:
Originally Posted by tompietrowski
Unfortunately not. Q1 available sizes are 23.5,24.5, 26.5 and 27.5. All other sizes follow in the fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by herrgard
Bsl for 26.5, Tom?Quote:
Originally Posted by tompietrowski
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if it’s the same as my boa recon 130 it’s a 304Quote:
Originally Posted by arild
The lV boot boot will have a 305mm BSL in a 26.5Quote:
Originally Posted by arild
Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by tompietrowski
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I’ve been skiing Doberman narrow last boots for the last decade and absolutely love them. Last year I bought the recon team as it was one of 2 boots on the market with tech fittings but no walk mode (the dalbello didn’t fit me at all). While the recon is certainly wider than a 93 last Doberman I’ve been pretty happy with their performance. I did fit them with a Doberman cork liner, I assume a zip fit with this boot would work very well. They aren’t the extreme performance boot that the Doberman is but they’re acceptable and much warmer. I tried the new boa version on and despite being told they were the same last they felt considerably bigger, might be the liner. I’m very excited about the true low volume boot that is coming out. And after a disastrous experience with CAST modding some Dobermans I really hope that the new LV recon will be a game changer. For a slack country/everyday resort boot that will never do big vert, the lack of a walk mode is highly appealing for someone who likes to ski with high edge angles and fore/aft control. Boots with walk mode always lack the reward support to manipulate a ski on the fore/aft axis unless you’re hoji. If it’s everything it’s made out to be, the new LV recon is the only boot I’d consider paying retail for. It’s easy to find 93 last Dobermans for less than $200usd but it’s nearly impossible to get a tech fitting as CAST has proven to me to be completely unreliable in their conversion. I love the concept of their system but their quality control on boot conversion is beyond garbage as is their customer service. My experience with them is literally the worst experience I’ve ever had with any ski product. Including marker twin cam bindings!
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We had our first sell in events in teh USA and Europe a couple of weeks back and the reception to these boots was great! I cant wait for you all to try on the Cortex collection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvan
Same in every area other than the forefoot with the team being slightly tighter but the BOA will still close further. If you need overall a smaller volume you will want our new Cortex boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvan
Should mention we also have a full range from 130 - 95 flex without tech inserts so although the team boot is a little niche the rest of the line should really fill a void for people wanting race boot performance in a LV fit without having to deal with all the downsides of a race boot. Weight is around 2100-2200g depending on the model in a 26.5Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvan
NIce work, Tom - now if you could offer an OEM Zipfit liner with the Cortex boots . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by tompietrowski
. . . and keep MAP under $1,000 . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
We wont be going Zipfit any time soon. We did meet with them but the costing just does not work. We have completely redesigned the liners though for Cortex so hopefully they will work well for people and those who want to use an aftermarket still can.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Does this mean new plastic or thicker recon plastic?Quote:
Originally Posted by tompietrowski
Does not share anything with the recon other than having a k2 on the side. We are using new (to us) plastics as used in the drs and the shell is much closer to that found on consumer level race boots than something like the recon or other all mountain boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by herrgard
Good to hear about a narrow boot “without the downsides of race boots” what downsides are you referring to? Ie will it be as easy to put on as your current boots?
Yeah taking them on and off is a big part. There is actually no reason you can’t build a fast fit instep into a high performance boot. Also race boots can be very cold due to liner and boot board restrictions. And also being a solid sole you usually will want to add risers to them to protect the sole which is both costly and often hard to find a shop to do. So those few points alone make them less than ideal for most people but they are also issues which can be easily addressed. Changes can easily be made to improve ease of use with basically zero performance compromise when you are building a boot to perform like a race boot but do not need them to conform to FIS regulation or be used by the 0.1% of people who need them for the worldcup.Quote:
Originally Posted by turnfarmer
That sounds very sensible and promising. Look forward to trying it on