Anyone have any time in these boots yet?
Curious how they compare to the ZGTP
Thanks!
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Anyone have any time in these boots yet?
Curious how they compare to the ZGTP
Thanks!
Or compared to XTD130, especially fit
Can't compare them, but after two days on man made groomers, the Scarpa 4-Quattros XTs love to carve. They are stiffer than I expected and with a couple more fitting tweaks I'm hoping they'll be dialed and have even better control. The grip walk front is a way different feel walking than a DIN or rockered sole. It's like stepping over an edge.
The 60degs of walk motion is real, but have not had a chance to tour with them yet. Their BSL runs shorter than other Scarpas of the same shell size by 9mm or so and may generate some remount issues. Here's a thread about dealing with Pivots.
Edit: while shifting the upper buckle locations for a tighter fit, the 2nd bale now gets hung up on the other piece while trying to unbuckle. Seems like a design short coming.
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Hell yah! Thanks for the insight!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpinord
Tried some on today. Tons of range of motion and felt really stiff when locked in. They would be great if they weren't so narrow. Also run a size bigger than I usually do.
Awesome. I have a really low volume foot, so sounds good to me. Also Scarpa brakes their shell sizes different then everyone else, so I’m not surprised you had to up size.Quote:
Originally Posted by toastybroski
They are only low volume compared to a Maestrale last . . . a Scarpa 26.5 is also a Scarpa 27.0, so in effect slightly longer than other brands who almost universally make the 26.0 and 26.5 the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larix
These have me really curious. Solid ROM, weight that seems not out of touch. And for a guy that doesn’t scramble pretty well at all the gripwalk soles don’t seem to bother me. Looking forward to hear more long term feedback!
I have been in the 4 Quattro XT with my backcountry setup all season (ON3P Woodsman 102 tour with Plum r170). I haven’t used them on any of my downhill setups.
Bottom line: They are a great 4 buckle boot that ski like an inbound boot without a noticeable weight penalty (26 is ~1400 grams). Skiing resort chop like it’s nothing in your touring setup is liberating. The boot is a quiver of one possibility for skiers with a forward stance and lowish volume feet.
Fit: Really tight calf and ankle area. I’m in a 25 shell in most boots, but the 26 shell fit better with my high instep. My best fitting boot is a Lange RX130 in a 25 shell.
Pro: ROM is impressive for a 4 buckle, progressive flex, heel is locked down when skiing, and walk mode engages easily even when packed with snow.
Con: While touring I need the top 2 buckles completely undone. I have one riser so I need the full rearward ROM, and I notice the lack of rearward ROM when they are on the “uphill” latch of the ladder. No boot board in the forefoot does not make for a warm boot (like buy heat socks if you work in them cold).
I have never been in a ZGTP. The 4 XT skis and walks way better than the Hawx XTD. I won’t spend time comparing them to my ~1000 gram boots, but I will say I am thinking about this being my only backcountry boot even for my lightweight spring setup. If this boot had a rockered, full rubber sole it would be perfect for me.
After an initial, mellow tour today, the take away that the Quattros seem 'natural' and fine for me. The trade off is the lack of rocker if you hike with them, but that is a low priority any more for me. They are doing what I want and need them to do. I did not see the need to unbuckle the top buckles. I'm liking them and they handled wind slab, a little sun bake & powder nicely.
So many Scarpa boots have catered to those of us with high insteps that it’s become part of the brand. Interesting that all reviews of the Quattro I’ve seen highlight the much lower instep volume. A bit odd that Scarpa mimicked the main fit characteristic of Tecnica rather than offering an alternative people would expect from Scarpa.
Guess I’ll stick with my Lange 140 GW and Maestrale XTs.
I was able to shell check myself in one today. Much lower instep than a zgtp, 5-10mm lower. Much tighter ankle circumference. Makes me think of a Hoji free instep and a Hawx ultra ankle/cuff diameter. Forefoot felt roomy for a low volume boot. I was lightly touching wall to wall of the shell and I am 106mm wide and a 24. The toe box seemed spacious unlike the Hawx ultra which tapers in hard.
Very curious about this boot now. Hopefully can try it with a liner.
Anyone notice how these flex inward? I tried these on in a shop and my golly the flex was weird. They also felt quite soft to me, however I’d like to try them at some point when I can find them for cheap.
Also to the guy above, 26 in a scarpa is the same as a 25.5 in every other brand. So annoying they keep that difference going.
Friend of mine just got a pair, so far he’s been skiing them in EC conditions and likes them better than his Maestrale’s. I wasn’t even aware of the boot until he skied up to me the other day, now I’m Quattro curious for a GW compatible touring boot. Was about to order a zero g pro…
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Totally. Super annoying on Scarpa. I normally ski a 24 in any brand. This was a 25 scarpa, so same shell size.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
In my experience, Cochise and 0GTP have much higher instep than Scarpa (edit: Maestrale RS), and I have to run a shim under the liners to take up vertical space. In Maestale RS, I had to mold and grind foam out of the tongue/instep area to get enough height.
I agree with the hoji free instep and a hawx ankle/cuff, that's a good approximation of the fit.
I didn't think they flexed soft. We only have the SL(120) version and I thought it was in the ballpark of a Zero G stiffness-wise with notably more support at the end of the flex. I'm 6'6" 215lbs. If I can figure out the ankle bone fit I may replace my hoji frees with XTs. The range of motion, particularly rearward, is better.
Despite having very similar looking buckles I found them less annoying than the zero g buckles. Definitely more forward lean than zero g's on the stock setting (which is in the middle or most upright? of three options). 30 quattro feels similar length-wise to 29.5 zero g.
Interesting. Your experience Re: instep runs counter to most maggots, and is different than what bootfitters at SkiMoCo, Mammoth Mountaineering, and Alpenglow tahoe city have concluded.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
Well rolled the dice and bought a pair. Felt good when I tried them on, so I’ll report back in the future
I dunno, I think the Maestrale is the opposite of what you are saying. I found it to have a painfully low instep, ZGPT was fine after a padded cook. almost all Scarpas do have a huge heel pocket though!Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
I should have been more specific, and mentioned my Scarpa experience is limited to the Maestrale RS (which crushed my instep) and Alien RS (which doesn't count since the BOA can accommodate high insteps). My mistake to assume other Scarpas fit like Maestrale, and can't speak to the other models.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
(Had Skookum and Typhoon a long time ago, can't remember how they fit.)
I agree that Scarpas generally have a low instep. I bought them because every other boot I tried on (Head, Atomic, Fischer) had way too much room over the top of my foot. The F1 is really low compared to Freedom RSs and Mobes.
^ Maybe their beef boots used to be high volume and tour boots were low, and now they're becoming more consistent across the line?
^ Mobes and Freedom RS still have lower insteps than the ones I mentioned above (Hawk XTD 130, Head Kore, Fischer Travers) but the F1 is seriously hard for me to get into and hurts until I get everything situated.
The Scarpa 4 Quattro is my final destination after having gone through several other options for a hybrid in/out of bounds ATM boot over the past 3 seasons. I have a pretty narrow low-volume foot, too narrow for the Mastrale to fit well. Part of the problem I think has been salesmen in shops putting me in the wrong boots here in the Boulder/Denver area. I won't mention the shops b/c it is irrelevant the way labor comes and goes these days.
Here was my journey and brief comments:
1) Salomon S-LAB Explore - Great touring boot but not stiff enough for bigger skis inbounds. Fit pretty well but lost a toenail from toe bang.
2) Technica Cochise - Heavy and never could get a good fit.
3) Atomic Hawx XTD 130 - Skied great and liked the weight but IMPOSSIBLE to get on and off. Couldn't take it anymore.
4) K2 Mindbender 130 - Too heavy and soft but very comfortable. Probably bought them too big (on sale).
5) Scarpa 4 Quattro XT- FINALLY!! Fit great with a pretty amateur boot fitter, basically 1 bake and that was it. Nice and light, tour great with awesome ROM, and can ski anything on any ski. I ordered 2 pair online not knowing what size I needed and accidentally went past the return window on the smaller 27.0 so those are for sale at a great price on this site. Couldn't even get my foot into them.
Bottom line the Scarpa 4 Quattro is highly recommended especially if you have a low-volume foot. Perhaps there are fitting techniques for medium or wide feet you'd need to investigate. One heads up; pay attention when you put them on to get all the flaps in the right order, they have a tendency to overlap improperly on the lower buckle of the cuff. Easy fix once you are aware of it.
Didn’t try the ZGTP though ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Turnem
Anyone know where I can get the power strap from this boot? I’d like to try a booster strap on my touring boots and this is a nice lighter version with a hook.
Asked at our local shop and they seemed hesitant.
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Originally Posted by CaliBrit
Scarpa's Parts & Accessories is not showing the Quattro Powers Straps yet. You might be best served to call 'em.
Other than a little less material and different technique, I'm not sure I'm seeing an advantage of the hook vs their other velcro power strap. YMMV. Maybe just because I was so used to pushing the strap through the loop and pulling tight. The hook needs to be loosened with the tab to remove and hook on, then pull the strap like the other power strap.
That looks even better weight wise, does it actually have the elastic booster config in it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpinord
I guess the difference is it is easier to get used to pulling it tight with a cam for a more consistent boot config. The normal booster just seems so heavy.
6 of one half dozen of the other, IMO. You are basically pulling the the strap forward (Active Power Strap) or back (Quattro) through a ring and either locking it in place with velcro or the cam lock in the Quattros. I think the strap on site looks like my Hurricanes with nylon webbing and no elasticity. But 'Active' suggests elasticity, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliBrit
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Ok! Well the actually point was I wanted the strap that is actually a Booster strap. Which the new Quattro XT is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpinord
Looks like you posted while I edited and added a photo.
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Yeah. I’d like to know what active means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpinord
This boot is amazing in so many ways, but I have one MAJOR qualm.
I bought these to replace my Hawx 130 XTD’s which never skied that well IMO, hurt my feet to get in/out of, and came with a shitty stock liner. I also felt like the Hawx was a bit too forward, I never tried the 13 degree lean swap, but maybe this would have helped. I spend the majority of my time skiing in F1 LT’s so I have become very accustomed to an upright boot. I also primarily ski de-cambered (rockered) skis, which also favor a more upright stance.
Enter the Quattro with its perfect (for me), low volume fit, incredible range of motion, true GripWalk compatibility (I use them in Pivot15’s with no issues) and innovative overlap+tongue style build. I find this boot much easier to get in/out of than the Hawx or other overlap hybrid boots because of the articulated tongue. I was also able to bump the forward lean back to ~13 degrees which is about perfect for me.
Problem is, on day 2, I broke the walk mode. Just a clean shear through the metal upon landing a small jump into soft snow. The shop I bought them from secured me a new walk mech, directly from Scarpa. Then, on day four, I broke the walk mech on the other boot. Wow. The shop is working on replacing the other walk mech, but I’m seriously concerned that it will happen again. If it happens a third time, I’ll be returning these and getting something else.
I’ve never had durability problems from Scapra in the past, (even though I did explode a pair of Alien RS’s a few years ago, that was my fault). I’m curious to see if anyone else has had an issue with this?
Any experiences with the SL? I weigh 150.
FWIW, At 180, I’ve been liking the 130 flex (especially on carvers) of the XTs on firm and packed powder groomers, bumps, crud and powder at the area. This, after being very content for about 7 years with 120 flex (IIRC) Scarpa Hurricanes for the same conditions and terrain. For some days and softer snows at the area and more so for BC, I kinda wish I had the less stiff 120 flex of the SLs, assuming other things being equal.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkendrenchman
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Very intrigued by these boots.
I currently do 95% of my skiing in Scarpa Mobes with a handful of days in Scarpa Freedom RS and a handful in Scarpa F1s. I bought the Mobes here on TGR from a mag (wish I could remember his handle!) who had 2 different sized feet that were the opposites of my 2 different sized feet. He bought 2 pair (different sizes) and sold me his discards at an insane price for brand new boots. I wear the 27 boot on my left foot and the 28 boot on my right. The Freedoms and the F1s are both 28s on both feet.
I'm old and not getting any younger...and having a bitch of a time getting my feet into overlap boots. Arthritis in big toes and ankles....
It sounds like the Quattros are similar to the 3-piece Mobes in terms of ease of entry...a big plus. Can current owners of this boot comment?
Scarpa's website doesn't list boot weights but states that the XT is "just over three pounds" but doesn't comment on the SL's weight. Any idea what the SL weighs? While I don't dislike the 130 flex on the Freedom RSs, I've gotten pretty comfortable skiing in the Mobes which I would guess are 110-120 flex. I don't view the softer flex of the SLs as a detriment but also don't want heavyweight shoes for the ups. I did note Alpimnord's comments above on flex so maybe just curious on the boot weight for the SL.
Thnx mags...
I see a weight of 1430g in a 27.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsAugustWest
Any suggestions on sizing? Currently ski an F1 in a 25.5 which is a tad short, but otherwise fits great after a little work.
Thanks...so also "just over 3 pounds" (3.16 if I did my conversion right).Quote:
Originally Posted by funkendrenchman
Now going to watch to see if PinyonJuniper5's experience with the walk mode mech is an anomaly or a design flaw.
https://www.wildsnow.com/33709/the-1...tro-sl-review/
this ^^ is also a bit of a ZG Tour pro compro
so it looks like the replacement for the Maestrale