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Just tripped over this concept. link
Concept home cost $10k to build, goal is $4k. One quote: "we have equipment on Mars, everyone is walking around with a powerful computer in their pocket, and construction techniques haven't changed in 50 years." Imho this is going to take off.
imo it's never gonna be close to $4k - not with windows, wiring, plumbing, roofing, interior finishes (walls, flooring etc.) etc. Not trying to throw cold water on it - I could see the basic structure being in that $4K neighborhood, and what else can you build from scratch for $4K (although repurposing shipping containers would start with an even cheaper structure)?
I do think they could still be a gamechanger at ~$25K complete, which seems feasible. Good luck to them. These were brought up in an another thread as potential housing for the homeless here in this country and considering what we spend on them without even denting the problem that seems like a worthwhile use for the technology too.
Get it down to $4K and many will build $16-40K houses. Murica.
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Originally Posted by SkiBall
No HVAC, no kitchen, no reinforcing, no thanks. They built a pretty shed. Sure, it works for 3rd world housing issues, but the thing about wood and tarps is they don't crush you to death during the next natural disaster.
They didn't account for the 5k just in the slab pour. But a slick video and talking about 3D printing will keep that VC and government money coming in, so keep talking about the synergy of 3d printing disrupting emerging markets to build a shed faster than Rubbermaid can kick out a plastic one.
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When all that recyclable rubbish we send away gets returned to sender, we will need something to do with it.
Maybe we can send the homeless and downtrodden to their own towns built with these materials. A reservation if you will.
My house is built with logs that were 3D printed by nature.
^^ I chuckled at that one.
Anyone else wonder how $200-400 a Sq ft seems reasonable for stick frame traditional construction?
Or some of the places I see that are north of $900 p/Sq ft.
Watching the video the system seems pretty badass and depending on what the mortar is reinforced with I could see these being pretty freaking strong.
Just the ticket for that 40 acre retreat/old folks community for over 60 ski bums on the beach in a 3rd world country.
Who's in?
Interesting concept but unlikely to work for homeless or 3rd world situations
- I doubt the people living in the tarp/stick houses can afford $4000 for a home
- Land costs around US homeless populations mean you have to go multistory to keep overall unit cost reasonable.
Denver did this, so why not?
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/05/...le-homeless-2/
Check out Earthships.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiBall
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthship
There are some really cool places on the Mesa west of Taos
Again, this concept requires cheap land so unlikely to work in urban areas
i just met someone who has an earthship style home here near me
it is such an interesting THING (as a machine & object), but I think the current owners (not the guy who built it) are a little flummoxed by how individually custom it is...absolutely every system is unique & it's now 30yrs old and starting to show its age in ways that need attention
My Chiro has one and it was not cheap. land costs not withstanding.
He raves about it though and is building a 2nd one to Air BnB.
Flashback.. I remember checking some of those places out 20 years ago when my folks lived in Taos. They were awesome. Wifey and I were much more permaculture then versus now, but we lucked out 10 years ago and found a earthberm house with passive solar and we're very happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TBS
We were going to check them out on the drive home from a trip out there. Then my pup passed in we weren't quite up to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TBS
Christopher Ryan did a podcast with a guy from there IIRC. Would have to re-visit for memory sake, but I remember liking what they said.
Here is podcast info if anyone is interested:
https://chrisryanphd.com/tangentiall...lds-earthships
Insight into biggest cost factors? Did he do most of the scavenging and labor, or did he hire a bunch out? Is it off the grid, so needs its own power, water and sewerage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not bunion
Hired a set of experts and did some sweat equity himself, scrounged a lot of the materials.
Semi off the grid, has power, water collection from springs, composting toilet and gray water disposal field.
Seemed to me that the prime driving cost was labor but the place IS very nice.
If we go forward with a MIL/VRBO unit, it will be a grain bin.
Once they have a 3D printer that can print steel, copper, plastic, glass, concrete, bitumen, fiberglass, and silicon on one pass, let me know.
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sorry bout your pup.... vibesQuote:
Originally Posted by SkiBall
You could buy one of these for $5K today: https://www.amazon.com/Lillevilla-Es...ustomerReviews
Yeah it's missing little things like a kitchen and bath and wiring and plumbing but what do you want for nothing, a rubber biscuit?
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wow, the "products related to this item" list of things is amazing
"When I contacted the seller with my issues they said I'm the only one who had ever had this problem "Quote:
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What not to say to a customer. I heard this last week, I was told I was the first customer to crash their software. Yeah, no.
Where are you? 400 per square foot is $800,000 for a standard 2000 sq.ft. house. Probably true in some markets, but on the high side for most of America. 900/sq.ft is 1.8 million for a pretty standard sized house.Quote:
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I agree with TBS and some others though. Small unit construction isn't ever really going to be an ideal solution to homelessness as it doesn't work well with economies of scale in land/materials/anything. Even if they get the price down, is it really going to be cheaper than just building with cinder blocks in a lot of places after all the extra costs are factored in?
well that's where the shipping containers come in
I've seen on Pintrest you can do some amazing things with pallets, let's build pallet houses for the homeless.
This is up in BS and YC. 900/sq ft is a pretty standard gauge.Quote:
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I'm showing some mushroom stuff and a miniature fairy cabin, what are you seeing?Quote:
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Thanks. It was a nut kick, but he was 14 so a good run. Still missed everyday.Quote:
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House kits delivered for $48kQuote:
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Damn, Amazon really has come a long way from books.Quote:
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Sears sold kit homes for the first third of the 20th. Wonder if any of those are still standing?
Lots of them still standing here in Bellingham.
There are a few in the Hazelmere part of Surrey, and a few in Richmond around Finn Slough as well.
Butte MT is chock full of Sears and Montgomery Ward houses from back in the day.Quote:
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Breckenridge has a bunch now, many $1m+ that have been added onto a few times. Most A-frames you see around are kit houses too, and we have a lot of em.Quote:
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"This product is a waste of time and money," says Andrew Bennett of the Florida-based Trekker Trailers, a leader in tiny home designing and building. "They are playing on the tiny house industry. It would be more cost-effective to start from scratch. This type of product is bad for the industry and misleading. It's not a dwelling. It's a shed, or an atrium, or a greenhouse."
We lived in a kit home, Hermosa Beach 1991-97. Circa 1913 1 bedroom/1 bath, 750 sq feet. 3 blocks from the sand, $850 a month. An amazing time and place. Scraped in 1998.Quote:
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Hey, some (not all) of those make nice she-sheds. And you don't have to wait for your lazy and/or busy spouse to make one happen in his free time, or wait for some contractor to do it way over-budget and months later. I wouldn't buy anything like that without seeing it in person, but there's a lotta one-clickers out there that'll take the chance.Quote:
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there are a ton of prefab assemble yourself sheds on the market now, this is just a "new" delivery channel and a whole lot of free media marketing.
edit: As example it appears you can buy a similarly sized Sauna for $3k, delivered vs. $5k for the Amazon "tiny home" sauna. But then it amazes me how fucking lazy the "smart" amazon shoppers are when it comes to price comparisons.