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I guess this is TT:
If I were to order a pair of tabla rasas within the next month, could I expect them to arrive by the first pow days? I want these planks but I don't want to be waiting until January to be mounting them, like some of the folks I talked to on the hill in febuary of this year who had just recieved theirs.
Thanks.
What did DB have to say?
From whom would you order from?
Cyrill or Stephan?
Stephan informed to my inquiries in may something like "production goes up in summer months and first (some? most?) pairs should ship in the end of the summer" or something.
I personally put it in my mind, like "If i get the planks winter ´06 i´ll be happy".
It was about TRs.
Havent heard from either of them for last 2 months,though.
I wouldn't count on it.
errr.....no.
the web site is up like nothing every happened & you could call & have a pair send to your house!!!(cool)
But from what has been posted on the web & forums...few ever got there skis
Now, no doubt the TR is a cool ski.... someone should get to the bottom of the availability question!
The idea that i got from stephans mails was that the Us side keeps producing the TRs as they are,without changes(well exept the topsheet DrakeBoinay part.), in the goodes factories.
But as said, time will show.
I am under the same impression, but haven't heard from either the Euros or Drake/Goode for several months as well; of course, I haven't made any recent inquiries recently either.
A post over on ttips mentions that the new US company may go into business under the name "Drake Powderworks" and that the Tabla Rasa will be renamed the Lotus.
Googling the above doesn't pull up a website yet.
The Lotus (tabla) is going to be built under dp (drake powderworks). The new site will launch on August 15th.
If you had a reservation for a tabla under db, your name and order has been transfered over to the Lotus, and as soon as a ski is ready (late summer/early fall projection), we will email you to see if you want to go ahead with it.
If anyone has questions about an existing reservation, wants to shoot the breeze, or put their name on the 05-06 reservation list, 801.621.2300 x 118 9-5 mtn. time.
great beta...much thanks!
whoa
your local UT now>?
whom are you working with?
cool stuff
glad you got it going on still.
"Stephan Drake will remain in partnership with Dave Goode of Goode Skis"Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsy
GOODE SKI TECHNOLOGIES
2450 Wall Avenue
Ogden, Utah 84401 USA
The number listed is the goode switchboard w/extension.
dear tt and community
here some feedback from our side:
our db project has met a lot of big challenges and problems during the past two years. one major issue for us was the quality of our carbon skis that we had planned to introduce to the market. after the first year, a lot of problems were solved but of course new problems came up. our producer was not able to deliver enough skis meeting our quality requirements. in the second year it turned out, that still, 23% of the skis were warranty cases. a lot of skis broke and in some broken skis a layer of kevlar was missing, though stated in the production specifications. so we ended up having serious quality problems with the skis delivered by our former producer and there was the risk that our customers could get hurt while using their carbon skis.
we had some cases, where skiers had to walk back for hours with a snapped ski. the thought of having a customer with a damaged ski in an exposed line made us feel very uncomfortable as security and quality are two top issues for us.
this, and the exodus of the production to china finally lead to the break-up between us here in europe and the production in the usa. the american ownerpart decided to continue the cooperation with this production company.
we are now working on a new project with the leading company in carbon fiber technology to produce the core of the skis and an european ski-producer for a professional molding. but the process from here to getting great powder skis is still long and we have learned out of previously made mistakes.
we will not promise anything about new skis until we have tested them thoroughly on quality and rideability, and until the production is running smoothly and skis are actually available.
from the legal point of view we could work on with the existing brand. in reality we will market the skis under a variation to contrast with the existing skis. in the meantime, we wish you a great summer and will inform you about news on our new project soon.
in any case we wish stephan good luck and hope the drake powderworks works.
peace, swiss sleeping monster
Thanks Stephan and Cyrille.
Tea? Mutton?
Bizzump.. Any word on the website? url?Quote:
Originally Posted by db.2
Hmm, there's a couple of companies of this nature.Quote:
Originally Posted by db4u
What state are they in?
:D
Austria.... if the rumours are correct ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by likwid
website is www.dpskis.com, as in DrakePowderworks, but doesn't look like it's got anything more than a (blank) front page yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by AH
"Austria.... if the rumours are correct"
nope those are wrong - we are working with partners in france and switzerland...and made big steps ahead. we will inform you as soon
we have the patents for our new ideas registered.
greets
Saw the reviews and pictures in Couloir for dp skis. I guess they've "manufactured" a few topsheets this year. Cassiar, Wailer, Lotus = r, surreal, tr respectively. It must be hard to sell skis that don't exist from a website that isn't online. I'm curious to see cyril's european offerings.
The brand appeal you built through word of mouth based on the strength of reviews and 60 pairs of skis was phenomenal. Its almost a branding tragedy to have gone separate ways considering not one (of 60) who received skis was anything less than stoked to ski on your skis. It's almost as though Goode, coincidentally your only composite competitor (not that you haven't kicked this idea around the table), realized that you had a better design, better branding, better vision. Unless they're a partner I can't imagine what sort of incentive they would have to help a competitor. Nevertheless I found it fascinating to watch this unravel over the course of the year. Good luck to the both of you and please ship some mags some of the skis you promised them last year.
Hmm, looks like new twist´s ´n turn´s have emerged
From CouloirMag forums:
And TTips:Quote:
Originally Posted by skiing_addict
Quote:
Originally Posted by BradA
Damn, looking complicated again.
Pity.
The saga of year # 2 is just beginning.
The season # 1 was a complete fiasco. :nonono2:
Might be better this year.
I hope so. :eek:
Until really nice news (manufacturing going on like an example), I'll keep waiting that (his/their) dream comme true then mine will follow. More than a dream the reality I guess! Like carbon skis under my feet and skiing a lot in pow!! Good luck. Stay tuned, it's always "passion" here.
DB or DP? Future will tell. :tongue:
Some fresh news from Drake (ex DB skis) online exclusive from Powder Mag.
http://www.powdermag.com/features/columns/drakeboinay/
Emm...Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
I´m sorry. Those news and that article is about 4-5 months old.
DP has now apparently broken up with goode and is planning (to some rumours) putting up a own factory/facility.
Stephan says he has a new manufacturing partner.
Manufacturers screwing people just increase the competition.
Though they would argue differently, I'm sure, there are many that are shooting themselves in the wallet with all this screwing around.
I guess it's not such a bad thing for more small guys to do their own manufacturing.
It's an evolution.
Or a revolution.
Cut 'n' paste from a similar thread on TelemarkTips:
Quote:
Originally Posted by
As seen in Couloir mag the 2005-2006 Gear Guide (vol XVIII number 1) in store:
the 2005-2006 Alpine and touring skis chapter is very interesting folkls!
Pictures from the 3 models of DP (Drake Powderworks). All blacks with a small line from different colors according to the models.
white line for the Wailer (1,76m 185 cm and 195 cm) 126-95-113mm 835gm/100cm;
green line for the Cassiar (168 cm, 178cm, 188cm): 116-80-104 mm. 835 gm / 100 cm;
And the most famous LOTUS (thin red line from tip to tail, all black): 1,76m or 1,86m 142mm-120mm-127mm. 991gm/100cm;
Lotus versus Goode 116?
Carbon 116 Goode: 1,63m or 1,83m. 138-116-123mm. 694gm/100cm length!
Goode makes lighter carbon skis. Well weigth is not all. Durability is another quality. Price? 100 $ cheaper for Lotus (880$ vs 990$)... :eek:
I have a pair of Goode C82 and DB Surreal. They are both very light skis using similar construction technology. But the Goode web site understates the weight of their skis. Don't know why that is.Quote:
Goode makes lighter carbon skis.
Does this mean that production is all ok again? Or is it just another example of valuable publicity but with no skis to sell...Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
Well when you read that the carbon core is no longer made by Goode ( they ended their partnership) and that DP is trying to find another company to do it, it looks like not going very well... :o The carbon core is the most essential part of the ski you know.
By the way their website is also close to nothing. :confused:
So Sumo, Insane, Goode 116 are making progress in my buying super fat ski project. :eek:
And now, it's officially... blank:
http://www.dbskis.com/
Getting Stephan and Cyrille back together after everything that's happened.... that's an interesting idea. Both certainly have learned hard lessons. Maybe it's time for a fresh start?
A little birdie just told me that www.dpskis.com should have fresh content on or around Oct. 15.
A bird that might be a little bit bigger than schmears birdfriend told me that new definite info will arrive in a couple of weeks. But basically this is what happens: A new production facility in China is lined up, the cooperation with Goode is over (as Stephan has said previously). No new cooperation with the Cyrille Boinay. The quiver will be slightly changed; the R's and the Surreals will be identical (except the names). The Lotus will replace Tabla, it will come in 190cm with a twin tip instead of the swallow tail and most likely in one stiffness between the 25 and 29 stiffness that the tabla came in. Moreover there will be one 105 waist model. And there is also talk about a super big experimental model, but it is early days for that though. They will not promise delivery before February.
That's all, I think. Official stuff to appear in a couple of weeks.
Well it sounds like climate change!
As seen in 2005-06 Gear Guide from Couloir, there were 3 models of DP skis. Almost the same as last year except minor change on graphics (close to none anyway).
Now changes in length and sidecut in the same year.
Oh my God, it's gonna be rock n' roll that year.
I feel some headache comin' in. :eek:
Peace.
:wink:
PS. By the way their website might be online Oct 25 instead of Oct 15. Soldiers reported to the base. Over.
190cm, good. No swallow tail, bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by KANUTTEN
Fresh new from DP as an email sent to me: :eek:
"Hi,
We are writing to give you an update on the happenings at dpskis.com. (if you are unfamiliar with the transition between db and dp click here)
The new website will be up by November 1st. The launch has been delayed due to a major manufacturing decision that occurred in the middle of August. Even with skis in the pipeline for fall under our old manufacturing arrangement, dp decided to leave its old partnership and source its own manufacturing in order to secure its long term success.
What does this mean?
It means we will take yet another short term hit in terms of deliveries, but that we will be better positioned to deliver the skis of our dreams well into the future. It's important we get this right now, instead of suffering through more delivery mediocrity later on.
When will skis be available?
There are no definite promises right now, but we hope to be delivering in good quantity by the middle of February. The new manufacturing situation will allow us get things done far more quickly than ever before, to producer faster, and with more consistent quality. We are excited about it.
Will the skis be the same?
The skis will be better. Shifting manufacturing has allowed us to redesign the entire lineup, evolve the construction, and add two more shapes to the quiver. Every shape has been tweaked, and fine-tuned into what we feel is the strongest quiver ever designed. Every tip radius, flex profile, and camber line has been engineered to fit individual ski geometry. We feel like these new skis will create a benchmark for the new era of powder skiing.
What about my existing reservation, and if I want to keep it?
Once the site launches on October 26th, you will be asked to re-key your reservation through the website or by phone so that all administrative information is current, up-to-date, and centralized. If you re-key your order before December 1st, you will maintain your current position on the reservation list, and will be the first to receive the new skis.
You can also call us at 801.413.1737 to reconfirm your order at anytime.
We are currently estimating February delivery for reservation list customers. We will build a limited number of skis for the 05/06 season, so reconfirmed reservations will ensure your spot. No deposit will be required when you re-key your reservation. However, you will need to provide all your shipping and billing information to hold your spot, and can cancel at anytime prior to your ski's shipment.
Best,
Parker Ellenburg - dpskis.com
» na@dpskis.com" .
End of email received Yesterday.
Many questions:
-what are the size of the new skis? For me swallow tail and Lotus in 1,76m are mandotory;
- which manufacture will made it? In China or?
-Price still the same or?
-Delivery in Feb as a promise: do you believe it? :rolleyes2
We'll see.
The end of the email from dp 05/06 quiver (the pictures didn't show up, sorry guys!). No length specs.
the lotus series
powder/big mountain.
ber-progressive shaping for
the biggest days.
lotus 138:
the tabla rasa and spatula meet in the new flotation standard
lotus 120:
powerful deep snow planing matched with the versatility to hit mixed conditions
the wailer series
big mountain/frontside
versatility across the widest portion of the terrain and snow spectrum
wailer 105:
big mountain all-arounder that leans toward softer conditions
wailer 95
the most versatile frontside/backside big mountain shape built
the cassiar
frontside/park/touring
thoroughbred firm snow
shaping and construction
cassiar 80:
the cassiar’s potential is only matched by the skier’s imagination
© DRAKE POWDERWORKS LLC, 2005 » www.dpskis.com
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