SLIDE!!! what to do when the shit hits the fan

prevention is key but doesn't always happen.

i was looking back over some notes from an avy class and thought they might be appreciated here. i've added some text to to them but the overall idea is the same.

not many people truly prepare for a slide. you can practice all you want but there are things that occur that you will not be able to reproduce or simulate.

here are a few things to remember when things go south:

As the Victim:

--Yell. let someone know you are in trouble. this is one of the reasons you do not yell stuff like sick and whoa when you ski the backcountry. your partner can't always safely spot you the whole way down so if he hears something other than your agreed upon "i'm in a safe zone, come on down" term, he knows something is wrong.

--Get OFF the slab. gain speed quickly and take a 45* route off the slab in the direction you are headed or to the island of safety you have already identified. you have about 1-3 seconds to do this before you will be at the mercy of the moving mountain.

--Dig In. if you are in the center of a large slab and unable to 45 out, you can try to arrest on the bedsurface or grab a tree/rock. obviously this works better if you are at the crown (top of the slide) and if you are moving slowly. a whippet comes in handy for this but you can slide your hands down any ski pole to use the ends as arrest devices. in small soft slabs under a foot in depth you may be able to use your edges to hold onto the bedsurface. same idea as steep skiing here. don't lean your upper body into the slope or you will be taking a ride. instead, lean the knees into the hill and stand tall. again, this works better if you are at the top with less moving snow above you.

-- if you are caught, Swim and ditch your gear. it sounds funny but you aren't freestyling to get ahead of the slab. the idea is to drop your poles (remember this is easy since you aren't wearing pole straps in avy terrain) and get out of your skis if possible. in a violent slide they will drag you down like an anchor. i've heard people talk about rolling to get out of your skis. i have no experience with that but it sounds plausible. if your pack is less dense than the surrounding snow you are flowing in, it will help you float. keep it on because you may need your gear to extract yourself/others or treat injuries. when it comes to swimming try to keep yourself stomach up and use backstrokes. if there is a preferred direction to head away from obstacles or to get out of the slide, then emphasize that in your strokes. you often don't have much of a choice where you go in a slide but you may just be able to miss a tree/cliff band by doing so. remember to stay on top of the snow any way you can.



--When the snow slows, Get to the surface. jump, stick an arm up or whatever you do to be visible and hopefully unburried.
Clear an airway get a hand in front of your face so you will have an air pocket. survivors buried more than a few minutes almost always have an air pocket that prevents a death mask from forming over their face causing CO2 poisoning.
Expand your lungs. the weight of the snow is enormous. if you have full lungs and are under 3' of snow you will likely only have half capacity. hold the air in your lungs for a few seconds to allow the snow to set and not fill back in the room you have allowed for lung expansion. Don't Panic now. you've done everything you can do for the moment. all that is left is to lower your heart rate, breath calmly and wait for rescue. if you were practicing safe protocol you should have the rest of your party for extrication.


For the Rescuers:

--Watch you partner go down. follow his track and the moving snow that he/she may disappear in. if you lose sight of them either in snow or because of an obstacle, mark the point of last seen for a starting search point.

--Survey the situation. first, make sure the scene is safe enough to enter. are there multiple paths that drain into the same runout where you will be performing a rescue? can another party come in on top of you and release more slab above the crown? should someone be a lookout for other avalanches? spend a few seconds to take in the info you have seen and make a plan. it can prevent costly mistakes. (ie. on an ideal open slope you can have a spotter up to to direct the searchers to the point last seen and help line up any visual clues from above.)

--EVERYONE SWITCH TO RECEIVE. this is the biggest mistake in avy classes and situations with multiple searchers. you can spend minutes before you realize you are following a moving signal. don't make that mistake.

--Don't send for help, yet. you need all the available resources you have. if there are multiple searchers one can call for help but remember that a live recovery of a buried victim will be made by those already on scene. an organized search party will most likely recover a body.

--Go to the point last seen. always start your beacon search here unless you can see a hand, leg or some part of the victim. a pole/ski may be attached but it would be an aweful mistake to find out that the item came off and was downhill from the victim.

--Determine the likely trajectory and look for clues. line up the visual clues (poles, skis, gloves, helmet, etc) or terrain features that may funnel or slow debris such as gullys, trees, rocks and benches. Search these possible burial locations. obviously this is much easier to do with more than one rescuer. do not neglect checking the clues that may be attached to the victim, like poles or skis. people are found more quickly when an article, clue or body part is visible from the surface. check these and stand them up if the victim is not attached. it tells other rescuers that they have been checked and makes them obvious for the big picture.

--Use your beacon. The beacon leads to the probe. the probe leads to the shovel . and the shovel leads to your partner. When searching for a signal, hold the beacon near you ear while rotating the beacon through all 3 axis at around 1 axis every second. you will pick up the signal sooner if you beacon's orientation matches the transmitting beacon's. once you have a signal, keep your beacon in that orientation and follow the signal or directionals until you are within 3-5m.

--Slow down as you get close, take the time to really pinpoint the location and probe before digging. at this point, digital users should disregard directionals and focus on distance indicators, as the directions become unreliable so close to the buried beacon. micro grid to get your lowest distance(digital) or loudest signal(analog). the micro grid is simply moving the receiving beacon two dimensionally at the snow surface in a cross (+) fashion --X & Y axis-- to get the desired indication. holding the beacon in the same orientation, move the beacon up the slope until the distance indicator goes up. then, on the same line move down the slope until the distance goes up again. return to your lowest indication and repeat the process side to side to get your lowest indication. you may then need to repeat the Y axis (up and down) to see if your indicator drops again. repeat this process until you receive your lowest number and mark that point. when done properly this only takes 10 seconds and can save you minutes of probing.

if multiple rescuers are available you can have one setting up the probe and the other readying a shovel as you finish the micro grid search.


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sweet post APD.

trying to picture this:

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don't lean your upper body into the slope or you will be taking a ride. instead, lean the knees into the hill and stand tall. again, this works better if you are at the top with less moving snow above you.

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so kind of the same stance for a normal groomer turn? That sort of body position?

How bout this, APD?

Observer: point a finger at the victim while visible and anticipate movement/location if victim goes under by following the movement of the snow. A field of white rubble can blur a location once you move into it. Either find a landmark nearby to mark it in your mind as you go to it, or keep your finger on the presumed location to direct others to it.

--Leave the probe in place. systematically probe in a spiral fashion parallel to the average snow surface. each time you probe you will move ~25cm or 9" from the previous hole. within a short amount of time you reliably cover a large amount of area instead of repeatedly over probing the same area.

once you get a positive strike (often soft and gives when you hit, if soft tissue) leave the probe in place so you know where you are digging. if you are on a slope greater than 20 degrees it will take less time if you estimate the burial depth (look at the probe) and dig in from the downhill side at that same distance. on a flat slope, move 1.5 times the burial distance out and begin to dig. this will prevent you from digging into a pit that you cannot efficiently dig from. with multiple rescuers, use the conveyor method, which looks like an upside down "V". One rescuer is at the top and the rest are lined up along the V in an offset fashion. to accomplish this, extend your shovels to their longest length and hold them at your hip. the first shovel you meet on side "A" will be 2 shovel lengths away. on side "B", the next shoveler should be 1 shovel length away. from there back on both sides, each shoveler should be one shovel length away from the person in front of and behind them. this offsets the sides and accomplishes the conveyor. you can move snow with less effort and will be faster to the victim using this method and rotating positions every 2-4 minutes.

once you can determine the direction to the victims head, focus on digging to there first before further extrication.

in harder debris it may be necessary for the rescuer at the top of the V to cut blocks that can be removed by those behind him. this is done by turning to face the rescuers behind and chopping (using your foot to press the shovel into the firmer snow) a half moon pattern across your conveyor. once you have a block row cut out on two sides the other shovelers may remove it. trying to pry it out before cutting both sides may result in a broken shovel and longer extrication.

--Clear the head face and airway. use your mandatory OEC, WFR or other medical training to get an airway and check for any spinal injury before extricating. if you are waiting on professional help to extricate and you already have an airway, you should consider the environment you are in. would leaving the victim in the snow to insulate him/her from the cold? Do you have any other injuries that require immediate extrication to stabilize the patient? Are you in an increasing hazard and need to move to a safer area?


you need to give yourself and others the best chance of survivial you can. to do so you need to be prepared for the worst. have the tools and knowledge to take care of the unexpected.


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Originally Posted by AltaPowderDaze

an avy recollection (4th post down) from someone who was there. another important post to learn from when confronted with the responsibility of rescuer.

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Originally Posted by LaramieSkiBum

so kind of the same stance for a normal groomer turn? That sort of body position?

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yeah, but more likely off pist. on a groomer 35*+ you can try it for yourself. get on the slope and edge into it. now try adjusting your canting by leaning into and away from the hill. you'll quickly find out that when you lean into the slope your skis wash out and you slide down the hill. lean too far away from the hill and you'll be tumbling down. the sweep spot for me seems to be as close to vertical as possible. here's a pic that shows some of what i'm talking about. i'm not leaning too far back into the hill but my form isn't perfect.
http://fritzrips.com/v-web/gallery/a...05/2_G_002.jpg

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Observer: point a finger at the victim while visible and anticipate movement/location if victim goes under by following the movement of the snow. A field of white rubble can blur a location once you move into it. Either find a landmark nearby to mark it in your mind as you go to it, or keep your finger on the presumed location to direct others to it.

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this is presuming that you are above your partner and not below or to the side of him/her. that would be really tough to remember to do in that situation unless you practiced it at the start of your beacon drills on real slopes. it would be a good idea to help line up a search area as long as you don't block your own field of vision with your hand.

It's what I did when Honc went down in BC during the Summit up there. When he went by me only his head was sticking out. I figured he was going under, so I followed him with my finger, instinctually, I guess. And when it stopped, there he was - at the end of my finger.

Thank you for this

http://arlinc.com/index.php?section=snow_safety

sign up and receive the pdf files on what to do when caught

there is some stuff in those cards ive not read or seen suggested anywhere else
the amount of practical experience they have there tells me this stuff works

from a newspaper article quoted in the Whitefish thread

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Originally Posted by St. Jerry

There was no sign of spit - backcountry users are taught to spit when
buried, to figure out which way is up...

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WTF? Never heard of this...

^^^ Pretty sure McGuyver used this technique one episode, so it must work :cool:

Good bump. The only thing I would add is that you need to know your best options for escape BEFORE you drop in. i.e., before you make your first turn, you should know that if an avy starts when you are at point x, you want to go right towards safe point y. Farther down the slope at point a, the best bet is to go left to point b.

Good info.

I think the 2nd item on the rescuers' list is missing:

- Make sure you as rescuer(s) are not in immediate danger before proceeding with rescue. No need to kill 2, 3, 4, etc trying to rescue 1. Check for hangfire avalanche not yet released, avy path's above etc. Of course you're almost certain to try to rescue your buddy regardless, but you should try to minimize further risk.

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Originally Posted by goldenboy

^^^ Pretty sure McGuyver used this technique one episode, so it must work :cool:

Good bump. The only thing I would add is that you need to know your best options for escape BEFORE you drop in. i.e., before you make your first turn, you should know that if an avy starts when you are at point x, you want to go right towards safe point y. Farther down the slope at point a, the best bet is to go left to point b.

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This is an awesome (if ballsy) example of theory put into practise

Decker Avalanche

Bumped thread

thanks for the bump lee. i haven't looked at this for a while now. It's now edited to add in a few things like smitchell33 pointed out and get a little more in depth.

bump again for a fantastic post.

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Originally Posted by khakis

from a newspaper article quoted in the Whitefish thread

WTF? Never heard of this...

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Snow equivalent to slightly exhaling to follow the bubbles when tumbled by a wave.

Great post OP

.....time to bump again!

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Originally Posted by khakis

from a newspaper article quoted in the Whitefish thread

WTF? Never heard of this...

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More like drool, I think. If you're totally buried in fairly dense snowpack and ice chunks, and your arms and hands are unfortunately buried as well, I don't think you're going to be doing much spitting to figure which way is up...but drooling might work.

'Bout the only thing you can do in that situation is try and gradually move your fingers first...little by little...then your arms...again little by little...side to side...back and forth...packing away the snow to make the cavity a little bigger, so that you can move a little more. Do the same with the legs.

It IS true that it is easy to become confused as to which way is up under duress and with no light cues, just like the same thing can happen while taking a dive from surfing, etc, except without the advantage of automatically float upwards. It sounds sorta weird, but not knowing which way is up while buried DOES indeed happen. So I'd suggest drooling...not spitting. At least you can FEEL the drool running down your chin or UP your face. You wouldn't be able to see shit even if you could spit, so no point spitting.

The hard part is trying to do all this stuff BEFORE suffocating.

Good post. This is great stuff to review every now and then. Just wanted to make one comment.

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Originally Posted by AltaPowderDaze

--Use your beacon. When searching for a signal, hold the beacon near you ear while rotating the beacon through all 3 axis at around 1 axis every second. you will pick up the signal sooner if you beacon's orientation matches the transmitting beacon's. once you have a signal, keep your beacon in that orientation and follow the signal or directionals until you are within 3-5m.

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You say to rotate the beacon through all 3 axis until you get a signal. I believe that this is bad protocol. Going through 2 axis is a great idea (as in, turning your beacon from left to right, etc.), but by rotating up and down you're not helping. If the beacon is facing upwards and then you get the signal, what do you do then? The directional arrows become useless, and you are stuck without knowing where to go. That's why you should keep your beacon horizontal. You'll still pick up a transmitting beacon which is burried vertically, there will just be a shorter range.

Again, good post and a great review for me. Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents to better this for the future.

link to the avy cards is dead...those were good info. Does anybody have them saved and able to post or host somewhere? I may have them on the home computer.

Great post!

It's amazing how hard moving heavy snow will pull on fat powder skis (like a parachute) if you get knocked off your feet to horizontal, even if you're hanging onto a tree. If the slide is moving fast enough, you may not be able to hang on. So give it all you've got.

http://www.powdertothepeople.org/docs/EscapeCapture.pdf

The above was a presentation from the Whistler ISSW, some thought provoking ideas. Worth the time if you haven't seen this.

In 2 large slides I have used these ideas (unknowingly) and they probably saved my life.

There it is, thanks!

Nice article bunion

Thanks for posting that article, Bunion. Really great info in there.

Its interesting how these things are all very common sense. You won't get in a slide and think, "Gee, what did that article I read say to do here?" At that point, it's all instinct, and you have to hope that you truely know these things, not just that you read them once.

Thanks again. Can never hear this stuff too much.

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Originally Posted by AltaPowderDaze

prevention is key but doesn't always happen.

i was looking back over some notes from an avy class and thought they might be appreciated here. i've added some text to to them but the overall idea is the same.

not many people truly prepare for a slide. you can practice all you want but there are things that occur that you will not be able to reproduce or simulate.

here are a few things to remember when things go south:

As the Victim:

--Yell. let someone know you are in trouble. this is one of the reasons you do not yell stuff like sick and whoa when you ski the backcountry. your partner can't always safely spot you the whole way down so if he hears something other than your agreed upon "i'm in a safe zone, come on down" term, he knows something is wrong.

--Get OFF the slab. gain speed quickly and take a 45* route off the slab in the direction you are headed or to the island of safety you have already identified. you have about 1-3 seconds to do this before you will be at the mercy of the moving mountain.

--Dig In. if you are in the center of a large slab and unable to 45 out, you can try to arrest on the bedsurface or grab a tree/rock. obviously this works better if you are at the crown (top of the slide) and if you are moving slowly. a whippet comes in handy for this but you can slide your hands down any ski pole to use the ends as arrest devices. in small soft slabs under a foot in depth you may be able to use your edges to hold onto the bedsurface. same idea as steep skiing here. don't lean your upper body into the slope or you will be taking a ride. instead, lean the knees into the hill and stand tall. again, this works better if you are at the top with less moving snow above you.

-- if you are caught, Swim and ditch your gear. it sounds funny but you aren't freestyling to get ahead of the slab. the idea is to drop your poles (remember this is easy since you aren't wearing pole straps in avy terrain) and get out of your skis if possible. in a violent slide they will drag you down like an anchor. i've heard people talk about rolling to get out of your skis. i have no experience with that but it sounds plausible. if your pack is less dense than the surrounding snow you are flowing in, it will help you float. keep it on because you may need your gear to extract yourself/others or treat injuries. when it comes to swimming try to keep yourself stomach up and use backstrokes. if there is a preferred direction to head away from obstacles or to get out of the slide, then emphasize that in your strokes. you often don't have much of a choice where you go in a slide but you may just be able to miss a tree/cliff band by doing so. remember to stay on top of the snow any way you can.



--When the snow slows, Get to the surface. jump, stick an arm up or whatever you do to be visible and hopefully unburried.
Clear an airway get a hand in front of your face so you will have an air pocket. survivors buried more than a few minutes almost always have an air pocket that prevents a death mask from forming over their face causing CO2 poisoning.
Expand your lungs. the weight of the snow is enormous. if you have full lungs and are under 3' of snow you will likely only have half capacity. hold the air in your lungs for a few seconds to allow the snow to set and not fill back in the room you have allowed for lung expansion. Don't Panic now. you've done everything you can do for the moment. all that is left is to lower your heart rate, breath calmly and wait for rescue. if you were practicing safe protocol you should have the rest of your party for extrication.


For the Rescuers:

--Watch you partner go down. follow his track and the moving snow that he/she may disappear in. if you lose sight of them either in snow or because of an obstacle, mark the point of last seen for a starting search point.

--Survey the situation. first, make sure the scene is safe enough to enter. are there multiple paths that drain into the same runout where you will be performing a rescue? can another party come in on top of you and release more slab above the crown? should someone be a lookout for other avalanches? spend a few seconds to take in the info you have seen and make a plan. it can prevent costly mistakes. (ie. on an ideal open slope you can have a spotter up to to direct the searchers to the point last seen and help line up any visual clues from above.)

--EVERYONE SWITCH TO RECEIVE. this is the biggest mistake in avy classes and situations with multiple searchers. you can spend minutes before you realize you are following a moving signal. don't make that mistake.

--Don't send for help, yet. you need all the available resources you have. if there are multiple searchers one can call for help but remember that a live recovery of a buried victim will be made by those already on scene. an organized search party will most likely recover a body.

--Go to the point last seen. always start your beacon search here unless you can see a hand, leg or some part of the victim. a pole/ski may be attached but it would be an aweful mistake to find out that the item came off and was downhill from the victim.

--Determine the likely trajectory and look for clues. line up the visual clues (poles, skis, gloves, helmet, etc) or terrain features that may funnel or slow debris such as gullys, trees, rocks and benches. Search these possible burial locations. obviously this is much easier to do with more than one rescuer. do not neglect checking the clues that may be attached to the victim, like poles or skis. people are found more quickly when an article, clue or body part is visible from the surface. check these and stand them up if the victim is not attached. it tells other rescuers that they have been checked and makes them obvious for the big picture.

--Use your beacon. The beacon leads to the probe. the probe leads to the shovel . and the shovel leads to your partner. When searching for a signal, hold the beacon near you ear while rotating the beacon through all 3 axis at around 1 axis every second. you will pick up the signal sooner if you beacon's orientation matches the transmitting beacon's. once you have a signal, keep your beacon in that orientation and follow the signal or directionals until you are within 3-5m.

--Slow down as you get close, take the time to really pinpoint the location and probe before digging. at this point, digital users should disregard directionals and focus on distance indicators, as the directions become unreliable so close to the buried beacon. micro grid to get your lowest distance(digital) or loudest signal(analog). the micro grid is simply moving the receiving beacon two dimensionally at the snow surface in a cross (+) fashion --X & Y axis-- to get the desired indication. holding the beacon in the same orientation, move the beacon up the slope until the distance indicator goes up. then, on the same line move down the slope until the distance goes up again. return to your lowest indication and repeat the process side to side to get your lowest indication. you may then need to repeat the Y axis (up and down) to see if your indicator drops again. repeat this process until you receive your lowest number and mark that point. when done properly this only takes 10 seconds and can save you minutes of probing.

if multiple rescuers are available you can have one setting up the probe and the other readying a shovel as you finish the micro grid search.


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is this out of the bruce tremper book? it seems to be the best. if not, what else is worth reading?

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--Don't send for help, yet. you need all the available resources you have. if there are multiple searchers one can call for help but remember that a live recovery of a buried victim will be made by those already on scene. an organized search party will most likely recover a body.

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From what I've learned this is the first thing you do. I have no intention to start a discussion or to say what's right or wrong, I just find it curious.

It's true that almost every rescue is made by people at the scene, but what if there's trauma injuries, and you're not competent / equipped enough to deal with them? Say you spend 20 minutes to find your buddy, just to find him badly injured with collapsed airways and what not. The 30 seconds you spend making the phone call (if you got connection of course, and know who to call) might be worth it?

Also people have told me to note the time, otherwise you'll soon loose track of it. This you can do quickly with your cell. Of course this is most secondary to the rescue itself...

Once again, no intention to say whats right or wrong. I'm a total rook, just sharing what I've been told...

Might be worth mentioning; this is what the teach in Norway... don't know how our mountain rescue operates vs the north american likes...

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...Say you spend 20 minutes to find your buddy, just to find him badly injured with collapsed airways and what not. The 30 seconds you spend making the phone call (if you got connection of course, and know who to call) might be worth it?

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And so what if he's NOT injured and you've already triggered the whole EMS system (S&R, 'chopper, ambulance) as happened in AZ last year? If you're in a ski area, it makes sense for Patrol to get the Incident Command System going ASAP. If you're in the backcountry and it's just you and your partners, ABCs are all that matter (getting the snow out of your buried partner's airway).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC_%28medicine%29
"Airway, breathing, and circulation are vital for life"

Outside of making sure you don't get caught in a slide yourself, this is all you should be thinking.

Multiple burials? Tough call, you're probably going to need help... I still think invoking EMS should be done as a last resort and when you're sure you need it (by all means call when you need it). Backcountry skiing is about being prepared and being self-sufficient.

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From what I've learned this is the first thing you do. I have no intention to start a discussion or to say what's right or wrong, I just find it curious.

It's true that almost every rescue is made by people at the scene, but what if there's trauma injuries, and you're not competent / equipped enough to deal with them? Say you spend 20 minutes to find your buddy, just to find him badly injured with collapsed airways and what not. The 30 seconds you spend making the phone call (if you got connection of course, and know who to call) might be worth it?

Also people have told me to note the time, otherwise you'll soon loose track of it. This you can do quickly with your cell. Of course this is most secondary to the rescue itself...

Once again, no intention to say whats right or wrong. I'm a total rook, just sharing what I've been told...

Might be worth mentioning; this is what the teach in Norway... don't know how our mountain rescue operates vs the north american likes...

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it's completely different out there in terms of response, but the basic principles are the same. over here, the 911 operator will keep you on the phone at all costs, because that's how they are trained. they always hold the witness. if you have a party of five, then that is very doable. if it's just you and the person buried, then you are wasting valuable time. 4 minutes w/o oxygen and the brain dies. there are a lot of variables that go into deciding who can properly exchange O2 & CO2 under the snow. i don't know anyone that can tell you who will have a longer time to live under the snow just by watching a slide happen.

you mentioned airway and i'm glad you did. you referenced trauma but remember that when someone is buried in the snow, if nothing is done, they will eventually pass. they may have snow packed in their throat/lungs or snow packed around their chest that does not allow their lungs to expand. as first responders, airway is always #1 on the list of things that must be functioning to keep you alive.


in the U.S., proximity is key to a live rescue when professional rescue is called in. if you are very close to help, like in a resort or near their boundaries, then it is a possibility. if not, it is most likely a recovery rather than a rescue. in most of europe, there are many volunteers spread out across the mountains that are ready to be picked up by heli at a moments notice. it seems over there that there is a reasonable expectation of professional rescue. i'm sure you could tell me more of why that is. here, you are you partners best chance for rescue and professional rescue may take 20minutes to several hours to arrive. depending on the conditions, it may be after weather conditions become more favorable. either way, suffocation or death by trauma may have already happened.

edit: i see ermine beat me too it.

I see your point.

In general, the "backcountry" where I'm at, seldom is backcountry. At the foot of every mountain there's some kind of population, and mountain rescue of some sort is rather near by (This doesn't go for all of Norway/Scandinavia in any way though). And they ask for your location and then they're on their way, or so I've been told be people involved.

Is the 911 call the only option? And I understand why they are trained the way they are with keeping the caller on line, but isn't there any other procedure for avalanche accidents? Has it been debated?
Just curious.

Sorry, I might be drifting off topic, or sort of.

Great read!

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it seems over there that there is a reasonable expectation of professional rescue.

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Well, as you say, volounteer mountain rescue is well spread. Skiing, touring and outdoor life style is a part of the scandinavian soul. Especially in Norway, where most people are born with skis on.

Avalanches are not something that happens to "crazy" skiers in Norway. It's something that happens to people driving to their jobs more or less (ok slight exaggeration). This weekend most of the roads in south west Norway were closed due to avalanche danger as an example. Avalanche control/rescue is necessary to keep a functional society in a way I guess. It's debated in the daily papers to some extend.

I must make it clear though, that you in no way can rely on outside help here. That is not what they teach. Risk assesment/safe travel (1) and partner rescue (2) is main focus.

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Is the 911 call the only option? And I understand why they are trained the way they are with keeping the caller on line, but isn't there any other procedure for avalanche accidents?

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It depends. Take a look at the General Announcement at the bottom of this advisory:
http://utahavalanchecenter.org/advisory/slc

Alta Central will know exactly what to do, but if you have a skiing emergency outside of those areas listed in the advisory--call 911 and in general the Sheriff's posse will come searching for you in the States (after the ABCs). So another reason to check the closest Avalanche Center advisory for the area you intend to ski.

I took a little ride and swam out of it Sunday.
I kicked off a little sluff and didn't ski all the way out of it. Got pushed down the slope and then got knocked over. Both skis came off. I tumbled over at least once but That may have been when I got knocked off my feet. I was just kind of being riding along with it until I realized that the snow was going over my head. Then I started trying to swim up. I was doing a treading water motion. Trying to push the snow down and myself up. I still had my poles and I was trying to keep one of them up. The slide stopped after a little bit and I popped up through maybe 10 inches of snow. I was pretty much at the surface.
I had slid about 50-60 feet down slope, luckily both skis were near me. One 15 feet above me and the other 20 feet below me. The main part of the slide went maybe another 100+ feet past where I had stopped. It was a slow slide and I was not in the middle of it.

My skis were wrecked. I tried to edge into the snow as the sluff started pushing me down the slope. I broke the sidewall of one of the skis on a rock under the snow. This slowed me down and let a lot of the snow go by.

No injuries, just the broken ski and some leaky goggles. I was only scared for a second when I realized that the snow was building up on top of me, then I started "swimming" and was too busy to be scared.