Our boys are bring home gold, silver and bronze from Sochi in ski slopestyle. Haven't seen runs but followed thread on new schoolers. Judging ? Show supposedly off the charts and should set stick and ball sport straight..
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Our boys are bring home gold, silver and bronze from Sochi in ski slopestyle. Haven't seen runs but followed thread on new schoolers. Judging ? Show supposedly off the charts and should set stick and ball sport straight..
Fuck You Asseater, thanks for the spoiler, eat a rancid bag of dicks and die!
Edited title. C'mon people, we know threads will have details but don't fkn put them in the title...
Judging was not very good... I think 3 of the judges weren't even slopestyle judges. They also valued stomping the shit out of the landing more than anything else...
Henrick's Nose Butter Triple Cork 1660 was messed up huge... I though Goepper's run was cleaner and bigger than Joss's
And whoever NBC hired to do the live extra commentary was just god awful. Unless skiing switch is now called reverse, and a D Spin is called a barrel roll.
Watched most of qualifications and woke up again to watch finals. Judging was decent, the right guys made it to finals and Joss and Gus put down probably the best runs. I might have put Andreas in front of Goepper due to 12's both ways, but Goepper did do the genie grab and stomp a triple. Harlaut looked too sloppy on his landings and his stupid pants falling down didn't help haha.
CBC commentating was bang on as usual, LOL @ stupid NBC.
I like CBC's team. They had the one guy who didn't know a thing, so he could ask the dumb questions like "what does scrubbing mean?" for the audience at home, while the other guy knew the difference between all the different grabs and what not. I haven't watched the finals yet, but the qualifying round was fun.
The ONLY problem with Henrik's second run was a less-than-perfect last landing. He stomped everything else, and the nose-butter triple was huge. He probably should have been on the podium but the judges were really harsh on perfect landings all day. Here's a NS link to his final run.Quote:
Originally Posted by gramboh
edit: for context, here's the other run replay's I've been able to find so far:
Joss
Kenworthy
These guys a pulling shit that appears so utterly impossible to me, that I have no sense of whose run was more impossible. Looking forward to watching the finals in its entirety tonight and forming strong uninformed opinions.
And holy shit, that Henrik guy should get bonus points for being the size of Martin Short and skiing in clothes big enough for Chris Farley.
I really enjoy watching this, but I can't believe it's an Olympic sport.
I stayed up all night watching it. It was sick. Henrik had the best run, but it wasn't clean. He still got robbed though. he should have been around 4th. Hatveit's run was scored way too high. His reaction to his score was hilarious. I still love Hatveit though.
I wonder if anybody could explain why a thread about Shaun White (not a pussy) can get bumped incessantly with drivel and then this stuff gets dustbinned.
This stuff is outrageous. ALL these guys are doing superhuman shit and making it look cake.
Three things I find awesome/amusing...
1) Nobody's got shit to say about Goepper's no-poles because he stomped the piss out of everything. Poles = Optional, end of discussion.
2) Those groms from Newschoolers that you used to make fun of just swept the Olympics. Welcome to the future.
3) Pants CAN be too big, it's true.
Shoutout to Gus, way to show strong for Scentennial State.
Maybe because there is already an Olympics thread where this kind of stuff gets discussed?Quote:
Originally Posted by cuseo
noted...
In my defense, I was bumping an existing thread and was speaking generally on the event on not the specifics. I think a historical podium sweep by Americans in Russia is worth a few seconds of reading and maybe a minute or two of appreciation, in the general forum. Much respect, TBS, but I stand by my comments and their placement.
Ummm, no. He looks like shit. He should just throw on a snowboard and get it over with. I think anyone on SKIS w/out poles should be judged down 2 or 3 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by cuseo
REally enjoyed as a spectator.
Hinrick is almost coherent now. Drug testing is a positive for the sport.
I thought the right people ended up in the right places. If the Fin ended up on the podium, it would have been wrong, but they fixed that in the end. The gold medalists dad painted a house I lived in when I first moved here. He was the sort of guy that is fun to have a beer with. I never connected the dots on that until last night.
For stuff like this slopestyle competition, what's the point of poles? (serious question)Quote:
Originally Posted by 1080Rider
Thanks for the links to the final runs. I turned off the TV after getting mad at NBC for interrupting slopestyle with mens ice dancing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamantium
Anyone have a link to Goepper run?
edit found all 3 runs on nbc site, but warning they have spoilers for todays events on the page:
http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/thr...s?ctx=team-usa
Personally, I think it just looks better when they have poles and adds additional challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Chupacabra
Perhaps I'm biased, but the ski slope style seemed much more impressive than snowboard slope style.
Have you seen the poleless guys at the top of the hill. They're wallowing around and it looks as dumb as the mad walrus the snowboarders do. The reason we use poles is to get around on the flat. It's as much a part of skiing as boots and bindings.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Chupacabra
In the slopestyle comp, it doesn't seem like the skiers need the poles to help get up to speed at the start of their run. (Contrast to the downhill skiers, who skate and pole to get moving a little bit faster.)Quote:
Originally Posted by 1080Rider
I think lack of poles hurt Nick in Style points. Their short poles are basically useless as we think of poles as part of skiing, but I do think that they use them for balance and style points. I think the judges did a good job.
Ski slopestyle had no drama, just amazing feats by our Athletes. These guys deserve all the attention they are going to receive and they have squashed the tomato legend and started their own. Freeskiers !
I try and explain to my ski friends that these kids go into jumps faster than I will ever go and they are going backwards. They then do these double, triple, flip twisty things flying 100 feet through the air and land like its just a bump in their run.
Sure, but this is also a controlled run. Should they start riding 120 cm skis because then they can do a 2160? At some point, moving away from the sport in a traditional sense turns it into something else. They may not "need" poles in a slopestyle run but if you go skiing, it's ridiculous to think you'd leave the poles at home. IMO they should "look" like they're actually able to ski the whole hill, not just the "park."Quote:
Originally Posted by El Chupacabra
You mean like riding freakishly wide skis almost like strapping two skinny snowboards to their feet? Yeah, that totally ruined skiing and changed it to something else in a negative way.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1080Rider
I agree they look like dipshits without poles though. The only thing it is changing is my immediate knowledge that the person without poles is a douchebag without talking to them. Unless they are a little kid learning, but they're probably still douchebags too :fmicon:
Not really like that at all. Wider skis enable skiers to float higher on deep snow- they serve a purpose. Going poleless does not serve a purpose in my mind. If his "purpose" is to make his tricks easier, then I say his scores should reflect the fact that his tricks are not as technical as the other skiers in the competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd
And really- smaller skis serve a purpose but the douchebags that competed on those got laughed out of comps until they started riding real skis (see, mike nick).
So fat skis serve a purpose so they don't fit your argument. Shorter skis can serve a purpose but does fit your argument. You can't have it both ways. They either BOTH "moving away from the sport in a traditional sense turns it into something else" or neither. So either I'm right and you're wrong or it's a stupid argument. I'll let you decide which it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1080Rider
And you can't say how he would have performed/scored with poles. It's just not possible.
Fatter skis serve a purpose outside of the park. They let you float on powder days. Shorter skis would serve a purpose in the park. They would allow you to spin easier and theoretically more revolutions over the same jump. So yes, I can have it both ways because we're talking about two types of activity inside the bigger topic- skiing.
In the sport of skiing, poles are an integral part. They help you on the flats but also help time the initiation of a turn. To not use poles gets further away from skiing in the traditional sense than bigger or smaller skis- because you're still using skis. Your argument of fatter skis changing skiing is more analogous to the size of pole rather than poles vs no poles.
And I wasn't saying that he would have performed better or worse w/ poles. What I was saying, is that if his "reason" for not using poles is "they get in my way and make it harder to do my grabs, spin, or land jumps" then don't you think he has an advantage over the other skiers and should be graded down for that. (and I don't know or care why he doesn't use poles- I think it looks like shit and makes his "style" one that I don't care for) As an example, if one of the skiers came down the hill on 120 cm skis, do you think his score would have been higher or lower than had he performed on 181 cm skis? Lower, because the judges don't want to see the sport go to snowblading. I guess they don't care if it turns to snowboarding w/ everyone throwing their poles out the window... have a good weekend. I'm checking out and don't have time to look at this place on my weekends :biggrin:
PS- I can't believe I spent so much time on this post. I should just delete it and go out for a beer. I'll leave it- enjoy!
My question was mostly just to ask whether poles add anything for park/pipe skiers. For tricks/spins/grabs/etc., it seems like poles might just get in the way.
What these guys are going on skis is pretty far removed from traditional skiing -- they're not poling along on flats, or even making turns using pole plants for timing.
The best skier in the world, Candide Thovex, uses his arms, more like a snowboarder….it seems the poles are secondary.
FIFYQuote:
Originally Posted by DasBlunt
Josh Matta is the best skier in the world. Just go to Stowe and he'll own you.
My take on it is that it's a tradition for skiers to have poles and they offer no functional value that impacts performance in a positive way.
Also, from watching the direction these tricks are progressing, I could easily see them getting in the way (e.g. double grabs). Therefore, I could see some performance edge by not using poles.
As for ski length, length seems like a non-starter. Its got to be hard to hit rails and stomp those landings with snowlerblades.
You think spinning around the rails would be easier on long skis? They aren't really nose pressing shit for the most part, they are grinding underfoot. I could see smaller skis absolutely helping. Not snowlerblades short, but there is a reason these guys are riding smaller skis than you would take mach looney on a GS course or pow skiing steeps. But I think with a slope style course there is a trade off. Shortest possible without being super detrimental to speed for the jumping section.Quote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
Don't forget them nosebutters.
I don't mind the no poles. It's park...
Anyway they said he had an arm injury so he trained and competed with no poles all yr, and decided to go no poles in the olympics since he was killing it
You need some length to get boost from ski flex.Quote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
While I prefer the aesthetic of using poles, I can see how all the technical grabs would be simpler without them.
Also, sign me up as not being an old curmugeony fuck quite yet, cause I was able to see past HH's outfit, and be truly amazed with his skiing.
Poles are totally unnesecary, even in "real" skiing. I don't remember the last time I even wanted to ski with poles, I also don't remember the last time I took a lap through the park.
If you get rid of your poles you're gonna look like a beater for a while, till you figure out how to balance without touching the snow with your hands.
This ^^^^ +1Quote:
Originally Posted by BCJC
This is backwardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Charmander
These athletes could ride anything. They have an un believable control over their skies. They embrace what most skiers avoid. Anybody watch woman's downhill? The silver medalist has learned to get off her edges and slide instead of carve to change directions. Free skiers taught her I believe. Cloths, poles, style, all up for grabs, cause it's a judged sport.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...by_H._L._M.jpg
...she's not using any ski poles. Maybe she could borrow yours?
you're an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by efbride
that is all...