Fuck.
This girl was my junior prom date, what the fuck??? Jesus christ, this is fucked up. :cussing:
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Fuck.
This girl was my junior prom date, what the fuck??? Jesus christ, this is fucked up. :cussing:
I'd suggest not being PaSucks "senior prom date".
That girl is still alive, as far as I know. I will be keeping my ear to the ground though, seeing if I hear about another passing. She was actually best friends with the my junior prom date. Fucked up shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
There's just nothing right about you at all, is there, Brett?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
Sorry to hear about that, PA.
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Originally Posted by iceman
Sorry, but humor is someone elses misfortune.
Suicide is THE MOST selfish thing you can do, don't ask for my pity....
Is it OK if I pity you instead?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
I am not looking for pity, and for all I care, rip on this girl all you want, suicide is bullshit. But please, for the sake of her family and loved ones, please don't turn this into a flame war. Her legacy should not be a bunch of freaks screaming at each other on the internet.
Sorry for your loss, homes. :(
Edit for whatever.
Edit: Sorry PA for what I wrote. This is a tradegy and I feel for you. Hang in there as you can.
yes, if you comitted suicide, not only would you be the worlds biggest pussy, you'd also be the worlds biggest douche by widowing your wife and bastardizing your child. Think about it, and don't beg for my pity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
(and yes, I think you're swell too. :D )
I dont beg for shit! I simply opened up. Time to delete apparently. Had a moment and that was that. No shit man, I would be a fuck up. Welcome to inner toment that apperently you do not understand and I thankk God for that, as people should not understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
Brett, we are two intelligent people here. Don't call me names. Be a fucking friend man. Not looking for anything, just adding my thoughts (not so easy).
And we need not to screw this thread up. PM me if you want to talk.
Buzz, I agree wholeheartedly. Suicide if fucked up, but I feel compasion for those that go that route. I went through a time in my life where I contemplated it everyday. Life sucked so bad that I wanted to end it. I guess it didn't suck so bad that I actually would have ended it though. I can't even imagine the personal demons someone must have to actually off themselves. Instead of tearing someone apart for feeling miserable, feel some compasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
Yes, suicide is selfish, but there must be some seriously fucked up shit going on inside of someones head to make them do it. Think about that for a minute, and the next time someone you know or care about is depressed, make them feel loved instead of shitting on them. It could save a life.
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Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
I've had a friend die just about every year for the last 10 years. My friend Pat stuck a gun to his head and pulled the trigger because he was depressed about the holidays. Had a friend stick a gun in his mouth during an argument with his girlfriend and pull the trigger in front of her. My sisters boyfriends dad committed suicide 2 years ago shortly after we celebrated Christmas with him. I had a friend driving home a few years ago after hanging with my girlfriend at Garfinkels in Vail, problem is, some drunk got on the interstate going the wrong way doing 75 mph, yup head on collision, both driving vans doing a combined speed of 150 mph. Both dead. (rip Richard) My friend JC fell off a roof doing his job, landed on his head and died. Sharon rolled her Jeep doing 80 on I-70 and was ejected, her Jeep was so fucked up they put it on the flatbed trailer upside down. One of my best friends in junior high school shot himself in the head....that was 7th grade for me.
What's my point? Lots of my friends have taken life for granted and killed themselves, only because they were feeling too sorry for themselves, etc. On the other hand, I have many friends whose lives ended WAY TOO QUICKLY. BIG difference, I only feel bad for one set of them....guess who.
Go scare the fuck out of yourself, and quit taking life for granted, kind of like that scene in "Fight Club", when you do your life will be enhanced. Personally, I wish I could live to be 500 years old and it would still be way too short.
Brett, I don't think anyone here is argueing that suicide is a goog thing or an appropriate way to deal with your problems. Don't feel bad for those that have taken their lives if you don't want to, but don't criticize every depressed person who has contemplated suicide as a selfish bastard unworthy of your support either. And if you know someone that may be suicidal, don't resort to the "selfish" arguement right off the bat and get angry at them. You got to make them see why life is worth living for themselves, not for others. People are naturally selfish, they are going to do things for themselves first. Some people just have to be shown why life is worth living.
You have been through a lot of stuff. Very hard.
I think it would be best to leave it at that.
I lost a couple of friends to suicide when I was in my late teens and early twenties. It's so fucked up because at that point in your life you can't imagine someone your own age dieing and at least for me I never saw it coming. They all hid their depression so well.
And it sucks hardcore. You nailed it right on the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurch
PA, I'm sure that sucks. I'm sorry to hear it.
Brett, If you considered me a friend, I too would want to kill myself.
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Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
Wow. That says a lot.
PA: So sorry to hear about your friend. I have not experienced that type of loss so I can't be of much help in the condolence department. :(
Wow PA that sucks! Did not know her but I know alot of people from that area.
Jesus, Blurred, re-read your posts and you are downright rude.
Sorry you have seen so much suicide - it does suck - but were you as rude to all the other survivors???
Do you walk up to the grave site and piss on the coffin??
I understand your anger at those who do it (I lost a good friend that way also) - but what about the survivors (like yourself, and like PA) who don't choose this but have to live with it??
Out of compassion, let me suggest that you might have some unresolved issues yourself (we all do). You may even want to try therapy someday. Call me names if you want, but seriously re-read your shit and wonder why you cant have any compassion for your "friend" Pa who has suffered the loss of someone he cared about.
Pa. Condolences. Peace to you and to everyone that cared about this poor girl.
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Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
yeah. it's a good thing this thread is about the merits of suicide and brett's past experiences -- not that Pa just heard of an old friend's death, and how that kind of thing shakes you up. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
having lived through a couple, suicide is absolutely brutal on the survivors. condolances, Pa.
Sorry to hear that Pa. I went through a similar experience not too long ago.......it definitely feels weird for a while.
I've also run on calls where a kids and adults have commited and attempted suicide. It is a horrible thing to see.
Depression is not something to take lightly.
Sorry about that Pa.
If it makes you feel any better, I have Pitt upsetting UW in the second round.
Heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by homerjay
Actually, so do I.
Please don't get me wrong Pa, I know you're not looking for pity, but I do feel bad for you. I do however have no pity towards the girl, she made a whole lot of people feel worse than she ever did, including her parents. They have to live with that for the rest of their lives wondering what they could have done differently etc, and that's fucked up after they spent so long raising her. My apology is given if I was taken the wrong way.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaSucks
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Sorry, PA, that's sad no matter how objectively you want to look at it.
It's too bad people have a tendency to conceptualize things online, she was a living person. Personally, if I wanted to spew negativity about something related to the person who died, I'd do it in another thread, or at another time, but that's just me.
I think Blurred needs to read some Ayn Rand. It's all selfish, dude, you just have to look a little deeper to find some of it.
I've been told this a lot. Maybe I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by optics
Did you put the wrong name there, or are you using 'two' like the royal 'we'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
Sorry for the sad news, PA.
Although I may question his err...timing, I agree wholeheartedly with Brett regarding suicides and their selfish nature.
One of my best friends in College decided one day that he'd had enough, bought a bottle of Jack Daniels, drank it, and hung himself in the woods in a cloverleaf of an Interstate onramp. We didn't find his body for 2 weeks.
I miss you Lou, but fuck you to hell.
Regarding depression and suicide...my mother always imparted to me (paraphrasing here) that nothing in life is such that it requires a solution so permanent as death.
I wish these people had somebody kind, soothing, & wise like my mom to talk to.
Sprite
No, Brett is intelligent. No mistake written. He (and myself too) can be a total ass sometimes. I dont think he is here though, just telling it how he sees it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki
Suicide is selfish and it sucks. I wish the best to anyone who thinks or have thought about it. Just picture in your head all the people that love you. That is what you are leaving for no good reason. Life can be tough, hell even, but it is life and needs to be lived to the fullest.
"There is no one to tell us: there can be no proof, only
this conviction or that, and so, not knowing death, we
can never give proper weight to life. We have to muddle
along."
- Fay Weldon, "The Shrapnel Academy"
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Originally Posted by Tippster
Think about it. You don't think people who kill themselves consider the effect it will have on those around them? I'd expect it weighs heavily into the decision, but they feel even with that factored in it's not enough.
If someone had enough pain in their life that the joy couldn't catch up, you should think about how it must have been for them to live, and to make that decision. Try a little compassion instead of thinking pity and/or anger are the only options.
Thinking only of how their decision affected you is pretty fucking selfish.
For anyone who kills themselves, I feel nothing but compassion and sorrow for the pain they must have gone through leading up to it. Feeling anger would be much to egotistical for me to swallow.