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I wonder where Tanner Hall will place?
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I wonder where Tanner Hall will place?
On his faceQuote:
Originally Posted by irul&ublo
Anyone know where and when this will be broadcast on television?
Yeah, but when will Bode learn rodeo 5's over 60 foot gaps?
OLN, 2/13...doesn't appear it will be live.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMO
I love this discussion even though it's stupid. Bode never claimed he could do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SponsoredByDuctTape
daron is no slouch when it comes to the park and b.c. gaps.
In some ways I'm glad that it isn't live, I have a much better chance of getting a chance to find someone who has OLN to tape it for me.
On the other hand it sucks the top DH of the year isn't even broadcast live here, time difference or not.
Like to see a repeat of lastyear, but Rhalves sounds like he's still a little tweaked form the wreck awhile back.
It was a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by runethechamp
Hahnenkamm. The Superbowl of Downhill. Can't wait! Hopefully Daron will kill it again.
Oh crap I'm stupid. Forgot what forum I was in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
Favorite parts of the course:
1. Mausefalle - 70 degrees of ice
2. Steilhang - get the turn over this one wrong and you're in the net
3. The Hausberg edge - I'll never forget when fellow Norwegian Lasse Kjus caught an edge here and crashed
:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by runethechamp
Seriously? A section of course is really 70 degrees? Nah, that can't be right? 70 degrees?
I just know I've heard that number somewhere, but maybe that's wrong. All I know is that they basically jump the whole section.Quote:
Originally Posted by Below Zero
I know its America and is not possible, but wouldn't it be cool to get all your ski buds togther and watch this live?!?!
dman.
Alka if you ever ran this can we get a play by play like you did for Aspens d-hill?!?
on my to do list, just once
OK, they say it's 85% steepness in the Mausefalle. According to some of their other numbers, this steepness is the actual length of the slope divided by the height difference. Then 85% steepness equals asin(0.85) = 58 degrees. That's still pretty steep when you launch it full speed, avd they say they jump about 80 meters there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Below Zero
A friend of a friend almost died on it a few years back. Ended up in the net on a hairpin turn (after they traverse that stupidly steep pitch) and almost literally ripped himself in half.
100km/h to zero in nanoseconds = not good for the body.
I'd take a pass if the opportunity ever was to come up.
Sounds like the Steilhang section. A couple of S-turns down a super steep section that gives you plenty of time to just get a little bit behind in your turns, and then comes the compression with a hard right turn at the bottom. I think somebody hits the net there every year, and pretty much everybody is just a couple of feet away.
Brian Stemmle?Quote:
Originally Posted by IBISguru
Is there a European Web site that plans to host a live webcast? Anyone?
I had a friend go over the maufall twisted and on impact ended up dislocating both shoulders and giving himself a severe concussion. Pretty much marked the end of his racing career.
On another note: does anyone want to do some sort of pool for this race? We could each draft any five racers and the person with the lowest net FIS points wins. If one of your racers falls or DNF's his points are equal to the racer who finished last.
Might be game for the pool, not looking so good for Rhalves. :nonono2:
KITZBUEHEL 2005: Daron Rahlves still sidelined
By Nathaniel Vinton
January 19, 2005
Rahlves celebrates his 2004 super G victory at Kitzbuehel with USST staff
(l to r) Per Lundstam, Pete Bosinger, Chris Brigham, Rahlves, Willi Wiltz, John McBride, Sue Robson, Phil McNichol
Nate Vinton / Ski Racing
Daron Rahlves, who missed the Lauberhorn downhill last week at Wengen, may find himself sitting on the sidelines of the Hahnenkamm too. The notorious Kitzbuehel races start this Friday with super G, and Rahlves is still nursing injuries from his vicious crash eight days ago in Adelboden, Switzerland.
"When I buckle my boots I feel this sharp pain," said Rahlves, who will skip today's training run at Kitzbuehel. "I'm taking it day by day now, but there was no chance of running the downhill yesterday. I just pushed out of the start to get legal."
Athletes are required to start one of the training runs before racing any World Cup downhill. The winner of yesterday's run was Christoph Gruber of Austria, and today's training run has been delayed because of bad weather.
"I wouldn't mind seeing this storm bring in a big dump of snow," said Rahlves, who was eyeing an opportunity to win the Kitzbuehel downhill from the top.
Rahlves won a shortened downhill race there in 2003, and won the super G last year. He says Kitzbuehel is his favorite race because the history, danger and promise of glory help him perform at his peak. His primary goal this season is the World Cup downhill discipline title.
Fantasy ski racing? Hmmmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by powslut
You sure that 85% number isn't the gradient? Gradient is the rise or fall divided by the run, not the "actual length" which would be the hypotenuse. So the correct calculation would be tan^-1 of .85 which is about 40 degrees (which I now see Cornbread already wrote below).Quote:
Originally Posted by runethechamp
You should hang out over at Epic a little more where the degree vs percentage topic has been discussed ad nauseum. This is a confusing as Hell subject and the only easy way to convert the two is with a scientific calculator. The easiest way for me to visualize a slope percentage, which is probably wrong, is if you walk out 100 feet on flat land and rise up 85 feet you get a percentage of 85% from your starting point to the point you have risen: rise over run. So, 100 feet rise over 100 feet of run is 100% which equals 45 degrees. 85% is a little more than 40 degrees and 70% = 35 degrees. For comparison, the top of the men's downhill at Snowbasin is 36 degrees. Either way, the Hahnenkamm is steep as Hell for an 80+ mile per hour downhill and if Tanner Hall ever ran it he'd place six feet under. What's the rise over run of that one? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by runethechamp
Oh double-crap. Looks like I got some info from a not-so-reliable website regarding the average steepness of the run (26%, which works for my theory). The official site says 27%, which works for yours, so I guess you're right. But it is steep as hell.
Question: Why are they still using nets as barriers? The gnar factor is cool and all, but take a look at what car racing leagues are doing to improve the safety of their drivers (e.g Haans device and foam walls @ Indy) and you can see that downhill is a little behind the curve.
Maybe a foam wall is cool when you're sitting in a car crashing into it and will fuck you up when you ski into it?
I'd straightline the bitch...Quote:
Originally Posted by irul&ublo
...right into a net.
Actually, I believe that if you look closely you'll see that in the areas where racers are (will be) travelling toward the netting, or where a crash would likely send them at high speed into the netting, it's not regular netting like on the rest of the course, but solid "A-netting"--that is, it's solid so skis won't catch, but it's also built up with some give to it to attenuate the impact. Behind that is probably the "B-netting", which is the more standard looking plastic netting with holes, but even that stuff is now on a sort of plastic hinged thing that will rip out if it's hit hard enough. They may double layer that stuff. In places where racers might crash and get airborne over the low netting they should have high netting, often suspended from metal posts that are permanently there.Quote:
Originally Posted by FNG
Most of this stuff is a vast improvement over the old system, which in Kitzbuehel and other places included wooden slat fencing. Brian Stemmle is indirectly responsible for some of these changes, as he sued Kitzbuehel for the effects of a huge crash he had where that slatted fencing almost killed him by almost dismembering him.
I guess lawsuits against ski areas aren't always bad things.
How the hell those guys fit their gigando balls into their speed suits I'll never know.
Go Darron(although it might be prudent to sit this one out even if he feels better-I can't imagine steppin up to that course after a hard wreck) and Bode!
holy shiat how do they groom that thing? or do they?
Question answered.
Spank you Helpy Helperton.
Just spreading the love.
I believe most of that course could be groomed the normal way, but I know they also have the Austrian army out to help. Sometimes they use firehoses to spray water on it, too.
Love that carve....
Ok guys i don't know steep they say the Mausefalle is, but 100% steepness are 45° . So it can't be that steep at all. The steepest run in Austria is not the Hahnenkamm it is in The Zillertal and is 70% steep so that makes amazing 31.5° of mindblowing steepness.
During the world championchips in St. Moritz the TV guys freaked out because the first 20m of the downhill had been made 100% steep. Ok 45° of ice is really annoying if youre descending 500m vertical ;) , but hey if you straightline 20m of it it is not that glorious.
Personally, I think making precise turns on rutted out ice at 70mph is plenty glorious.
The Harakiri at Mayerhofen Austria is 78%. It is groomed by a 480 hp piste basher which is attached to a cable for safety reasons.
I was in Kitzbuhel two weeks ago and saw them setting up the course. Not in a million years could you get me to ski that course at full speed. We did start at the top and leisurely make our way to the bottom of the course and it is just plain ridiculous. Never being a racer I don't think I fully grasped the steepness and difficluty of downhill or any race for that matter. Don't get me wrong, I always thought it was very, very hard, but nothing brings it out like seeing the real thing. I was just trying to imagine going top spead over one of the jumps just to have to land on hard, hard pack and make a wicked sharp turn with a huge wall of fencing right in front of you. They have balls of case hardened steel!
That's the one i meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by DB
edit: don't get me wrong ! going down 80mph on pure ice IS mindblowing, i just criticized the media for pointing out how STEEP those slopes are.
Well, the first part where they were straightlining there was 150 m long and they had a speed of approximately 85 mph into the first turn so it's badass enough ;) Saw your last post too, and I agree with you there.Quote:
Originally Posted by subtle plague
Not much for angles, just know it's pretty damn steep. Apparently so do the Canadiens.
KITZBUEHEL 2005: Canadians to focus on super G
Courtesy Alpine Canada
January 19, 2005
With the legendary Hahnennkamm races just a few days away, the Canadian alpine ski team has decided to stay out of the downhill race and instead focus on Friday's super G. As older members of the Canadian team have suffered injuries this year (Jan Hudec and Julien Cousineau, to name two), some rookies have stepped up for surprising World Cup results.
The team is composed of the circuit’s younger racers, namely Erik Guay, John Kucera, Manuel Osborne-Paradis, Jeff Hume, François Bourque, David Anderson, and Brad Spence, arrived to Kitzbuehel with the ambition of partaking in the downhill training run to prepare for the super G race.
However, once the team’s coaches saw the racetrack, reflected upon their season’s strategy, and considered the poor weather that is being forecasted for the rest of the week, a decision was made to have the athletes inspect the course and train super G on another slope instead of racing in the first training run. The coaches deemed that training super G would be more valuable for the athletes than taking a single downhill run.
“Our strategy for Kitzbuehel was to have the guys focus on preparing for the super G,” said Alpine Canada Alpin’s Chief Athletic Officer, Max Gartner. “We have a young team, with lots of potential. The majority of them have never even raced on this track and this is why we wanted them to first aim for strong results in super G. We also have to keep in mind that we are looking for our athletes to peak at the World Championships in just over a week,” he added.
“Our guys got some excellent training today and both coaches and athletes are satisfied with the decision that was made,” he concluded.
The 7 Canadian athletes in Kitzbuehel are set to stick to their plan for the upcoming days, thus training Super G all the way up to the January 21 super G race, and missing the scheduled downhill.
The Hahnenkamm downhill race attracts 70,000 spectators coming from neighboring villages and countries. Starting with the infamous Mausefalle (Mousetrap) - a dizzying slope with an
85 percent gradient - competitors soon reach speeds of up to 130 km/h while having to negotiate jumps that can propel them more than 70 metres through the air.
First staged in 1931, the Hahnenkamm downhill is considered one of the top prizes in world skiing with past winners including Jean-Claude Killy, Franz Klammer, Pirmin Zurbriggen and Maier.
No results posted for today but here's the first day of training times.
Kitzbuehel Downhill
First training run
January 18, 2005
1. Christoph Gruber (Austria) 1:58.38
2. Fritz Strobl (Austria) 1:58.62
3. Werner Franz (Austria) 1:58.75
4. Michael Walchhofer (Austria) 1:59.08
5. Hermann Maier (Austria) 1:59.23
6. Bruno Kernen (Switzerland) 1:59.83
7. Marco Buechel (Liechtenstein) 2:00.14
8. Patrik Jaerbyn (Sweden) 2:00.32
9. Aksel Lund Svindal (Norway) 2:00.39
10. Didier Defago (Switzerland) 2:00.41
Bode was 18th, but often stands in the last bit to throw his time.