Hahnenkamm This Weekend

[irul&ublo]

I wonder where Tanner Hall will place?

[runethechamp]

I wonder where Tanner Hall will place?

On his face

[JMO]

Anyone know where and when this will be broadcast on television?

[SponsoredByDuctTape]

Yeah, but when will Bode learn rodeo 5's over 60 foot gaps?

[irul&ublo]

Anyone know where and when this will be broadcast on television?

OLN, 2/13...doesn't appear it will be live.

[runethechamp]

Yeah, but when will Bode learn rodeo 5's over 60 foot gaps?

I love this discussion even though it's stupid. Bode never claimed he could do that.

[ulty_guy]

daron is no slouch when it comes to the park and b.c. gaps.

[CaddyDaddy77]

In some ways I'm glad that it isn't live, I have a much better chance of getting a chance to find someone who has OLN to tape it for me.

On the other hand it sucks the top DH of the year isn't even broadcast live here, time difference or not.

Like to see a repeat of lastyear, but Rhalves sounds like he's still a little tweaked form the wreck awhile back.

[Tippster]

I love this discussion even though it's stupid. Bode never claimed he could do that.

It was a joke.

Hahnenkamm. The Superbowl of Downhill. Can't wait! Hopefully Daron will kill it again.

[runethechamp]

It was a joke.

Hahnenkamm. The Superbowl of Downhill. Can't wait! Hopefully Daron will kill it again.

Oh crap I'm stupid. Forgot what forum I was in.

Favorite parts of the course:
1. Mausefalle - 70 degrees of ice
2. Steilhang - get the turn over this one wrong and you're in the net
3. The Hausberg edge - I'll never forget when fellow Norwegian Lasse Kjus caught an edge here and crashed

[Below Zero]

Favorite parts of the course:
1. Mausefalle - 70 degrees of ice

Seriously? A section of course is really 70 degrees? Nah, that can't be right? 70 degrees?

[runethechamp]

Seriously? A section of course is really 70 degrees? Nah, that can't be right? 70 degrees?

I just know I've heard that number somewhere, but maybe that's wrong. All I know is that they basically jump the whole section.

[Woodsy]

I know its America and is not possible, but wouldn't it be cool to get all your ski buds togther and watch this live?!?!
dman.

Alka if you ever ran this can we get a play by play like you did for Aspens d-hill?!?

on my to do list, just once

[runethechamp]

Seriously? A section of course is really 70 degrees? Nah, that can't be right? 70 degrees?

OK, they say it's 85% steepness in the Mausefalle. According to some of their other numbers, this steepness is the actual length of the slope divided by the height difference. Then 85% steepness equals asin(0.85) = 58 degrees. That's still pretty steep when you launch it full speed, avd they say they jump about 80 meters there.

[IBISguru]

A friend of a friend almost died on it a few years back. Ended up in the net on a hairpin turn (after they traverse that stupidly steep pitch) and almost literally ripped himself in half.

100km/h to zero in nanoseconds = not good for the body.

I'd take a pass if the opportunity ever was to come up.

[runethechamp]

Sounds like the Steilhang section. A couple of S-turns down a super steep section that gives you plenty of time to just get a little bit behind in your turns, and then comes the compression with a hard right turn at the bottom. I think somebody hits the net there every year, and pretty much everybody is just a couple of feet away.

[hop]

A friend of a friend almost died on it a few years back. Ended up in the net on a hairpin turn (after they traverse that stupidly steep pitch) and almost literally ripped himself in half.

100km/h to zero in nanoseconds = not good for the body.

I'd take a pass if the opportunity ever was to come up.

Brian Stemmle?

[JMO]

Is there a European Web site that plans to host a live webcast? Anyone?

[powslut]

I had a friend go over the maufall twisted and on impact ended up dislocating both shoulders and giving himself a severe concussion. Pretty much marked the end of his racing career.

On another note: does anyone want to do some sort of pool for this race? We could each draft any five racers and the person with the lowest net FIS points wins. If one of your racers falls or DNF's his points are equal to the racer who finished last.

[CaddyDaddy77]

Might be game for the pool, not looking so good for Rhalves.






KITZBUEHEL 2005: Daron Rahlves still sidelined
By Nathaniel Vinton
January 19, 2005


Rahlves celebrates his 2004 super G victory at Kitzbuehel with USST staff
(l to r) Per Lundstam, Pete Bosinger, Chris Brigham, Rahlves, Willi Wiltz, John McBride, Sue Robson, Phil McNichol
Nate Vinton / Ski Racing

Daron Rahlves, who missed the Lauberhorn downhill last week at Wengen, may find himself sitting on the sidelines of the Hahnenkamm too. The notorious Kitzbuehel races start this Friday with super G, and Rahlves is still nursing injuries from his vicious crash eight days ago in Adelboden, Switzerland.

"When I buckle my boots I feel this sharp pain," said Rahlves, who will skip today's training run at Kitzbuehel. "I'm taking it day by day now, but there was no chance of running the downhill yesterday. I just pushed out of the start to get legal."

Athletes are required to start one of the training runs before racing any World Cup downhill. The winner of yesterday's run was Christoph Gruber of Austria, and today's training run has been delayed because of bad weather.

"I wouldn't mind seeing this storm bring in a big dump of snow," said Rahlves, who was eyeing an opportunity to win the Kitzbuehel downhill from the top.

Rahlves won a shortened downhill race there in 2003, and won the super G last year. He says Kitzbuehel is his favorite race because the history, danger and promise of glory help him perform at his peak. His primary goal this season is the World Cup downhill discipline title.

[SponsoredByDuctTape]

On another note: does anyone want to do some sort of pool for this race? We could each draft any five racers and the person with the lowest net FIS points wins. If one of your racers falls or DNF's his points are equal to the racer who finished last.

Fantasy ski racing? Hmmmm.

[The AD]

OK, they say it's 85% steepness in the Mausefalle. According to some of their other numbers, this steepness is the actual length of the slope divided by the height difference. Then 85% steepness equals asin(0.85) = 58 degrees. That's still pretty steep when you launch it full speed, avd they say they jump about 80 meters there.

You sure that 85% number isn't the gradient? Gradient is the rise or fall divided by the run, not the "actual length" which would be the hypotenuse. So the correct calculation would be tan^-1 of .85 which is about 40 degrees (which I now see Cornbread already wrote below).

[Cornbread]

OK, they say it's 85% steepness in the Mausefalle. According to some of their other numbers, this steepness is the actual length of the slope divided by the height difference. Then 85% steepness equals asin(0.85) = 58 degrees. That's still pretty steep when you launch it full speed, avd they say they jump about 80 meters there.

You should hang out over at Epic a little more where the degree vs percentage topic has been discussed ad nauseum. This is a confusing as Hell subject and the only easy way to convert the two is with a scientific calculator. The easiest way for me to visualize a slope percentage, which is probably wrong, is if you walk out 100 feet on flat land and rise up 85 feet you get a percentage of 85% from your starting point to the point you have risen: rise over run. So, 100 feet rise over 100 feet of run is 100% which equals 45 degrees. 85% is a little more than 40 degrees and 70% = 35 degrees. For comparison, the top of the men's downhill at Snowbasin is 36 degrees. Either way, the Hahnenkamm is steep as Hell for an 80+ mile per hour downhill and if Tanner Hall ever ran it he'd place six feet under. What's the rise over run of that one?

[runethechamp]

Oh double-crap. Looks like I got some info from a not-so-reliable website regarding the average steepness of the run (26%, which works for my theory). The official site says 27%, which works for yours, so I guess you're right. But it is steep as hell.

[FNG]

Question: Why are they still using nets as barriers? The gnar factor is cool and all, but take a look at what car racing leagues are doing to improve the safety of their drivers (e.g Haans device and foam walls @ Indy) and you can see that downhill is a little behind the curve.