Led Zepplin - Stairway to heaven
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Led Zepplin - Stairway to heaven
I couldn't agree more Beaver. Not a Zepp fan at all here, Plant's voice is whiny as hell and he screams too damn much for me.
"Hotel California" is way overrated too, IMHO.
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Originally Posted by Beaver
I just lost sooooo much respect for you, Beav. Listen and watch some live versions...Jimmy's guitar is reason enough that this is one of the best songs of all time. Try not to flash back to middle school titty grabbing and try to concentrate on the brilliance of the writing...it's genius.
zeppelin has so many songs that kick that song's ass.
Fleetwood Mac's Rumours album. Hell, Fleetwood Mac in general.
The Eagles in general. They are very annoying
I gotta disagree, although I'm not a fan of thiers. I highly respect them. Whether or not you like them, you must agree that they are all phenomenal musicians of the highest caliber.Quote:
Originally Posted by weibo
Overated like hell ----> Van Morrison and the Doors. I can't stand any of thier songs. Van Morrison's voice is terrible. The Doors would probably have faded away the same way that The Animals or The Yardbirds did (both of which were far better bands) if Morrison hadn't died. Way overrated. And Plake's right. Fleetwood Mac are overrated, too.
However, it's just music. Everyone's got a musical opinion just like everyone's got a... well... you know...
VanM goes beyond opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubersheist
Van Morrison is a fucking genius & you just judge him too much on the few approachable songs you have heard on your local classic rock station.
The material he recorde for Bang is horribly over produced & re released, brown eyed girl & spaish rose stuff.
His stuff since is amazing as was Them.
He is a masterfull lyricist & muscian and his songs have more references than a Joyce novel.
good luck finding a modern songwriter that does not list Van Morrison as an influence.
& btw Stairway is a really good song just extremely over played.
edit: for tone
I gotta agree with Woodsy. There is nothing wrong with Stairway. Don't confuse overrated with overplayed. That one song has probably changed more people's perception of what music is than any other. Remember back to the first time you heard that song. Did you think it was overrated then?
As far as Van Morrison goes, pick up a copy of Astral Weeks. It is in my opinion, his best work.
I think Beatle's "Hey Jude" is overrated. I like the Beatles music and don't this song, but the ending is monotonous longer than the rest of the song.
La La - Ashlee Simpson
Agreed, Woodsy. Don't blur the line between overrated and overplayed. If you want overrated, look no further than 95% of popular modern music. Also, Nirvana really did nothing new, and it's the same case as the Door's; they wouldn't have been half as big as they are had Cobain not died.
Note: Individual songs only.
Bob Seger - "Turn The Page". You don't get to complain about how horrible it is being a rock star. Shut the fuck up.
Eric Clapton - "Layla". A riff that should be used once in a solo, stretched out to an entire song.
The Troggs - "Wild Thing". It's like seeing the Flintstones' car on I-5, going 12 MPH on the shoulder with hazards on. Not bad in caveman times, but now it's just embarrassing.
The Doors - "Light My Fire". Morrison ran out of ideas and got fat. I do have to give props to Ray Manzarek here for not letting anyone use Doors tunes in commercials. Thank you, Ray.
Ummm, are you not old enough to remember the music of the late eighties and what happened after Nevermind was released? Granted, there were better bands around at the time, but Nirvana's contribution to music can't be dismissed that easily.Quote:
Also, Nirvana really did nothing new
I have trouble coming up an over-rated classic, like Woodsy and Afromullet I think overplayed more than over-rated.
As a musician, I can say that Nirvana wrote some genius songs. The chord progressions frequently are very strange, yet they make them sound completely normal and right.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfroMullet
you're kidding me.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfroMullet
Neither did Elvis.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfroMullet
But, like Elvis, Nirvana took something that was sort of on the fringe of the mainstream, did it better than their contemporaries, and changed the course of music in the process. I was listening to Nevermind today, for the first time in a long time. It's a brilliant piece of pop music (like most good punk rock is).
Edit: read this thread before any more Nirvana Bashing)
I think a lot of people overemphasize technical musicianship over songcrafting. But remember- Yngwie Malmsteen MIGHT be the world's greatest living guitarist, but his music still sucks. Mike Ness could do more with three chords than Yngwie could ever dream of.
Nirvana, Nevermind: 1991Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayHarder
Soundgarden, Ultramega OK: 1988
I'm saying from a musical standpoint, I don't think Nirvana was as revolutionary in the grunge scene as they are made out to have been. They were, however, revolutionary in the greater public's eye like no other at that time-period. They turned opinion to different styles of real music.
My point with Soundgarden is that they influenced a lot of Nirvana's sound, they formed before Nirvana, and they also had a succesful album before Nirvana.
I can see where you're coming from with thinking my opinion is ludicrous, but it is just my opinion, and I respect your opinon as well.
:yourock:
Point well taken. I actually meant to say that as an innovator, Nirvana was not the epitome of grunge. They were amazing, and I am not doubting that, and I know they influenced the public's view of grunge and heavier stuff a lot more than many other bands, but it remains that many think they were the first grunge band around. Maybe that's what I've been trying to say through all the rambling. They were not the first. Whew. I will shut up now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plakespear
Hoo-ray to that. Social D rocks my socks off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plakespear
um, dude, this is one of the first songs the doors ever recorded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spats
January 1967
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1 - Break On Through (To The Other Side)
2 - Soul Kitchen
3 - Crystal Ships
4 - Twentieth Century Fox
5 - Alabama Song (Whisky Bar) (RealG2)
6 - Light My Fire
7 - Back Door Man
8 - I Looked At You
9 - End Of The Night
10 - Take It As It Comes
11 - The End
anything by the Cure, or the Clash.
how could any self-respecting male ever release pussy-ass limmerics like that? Be a man, fuck.
Gotta agree with thisQuote:
Originally Posted by tuffy109
Nirvana were MUCH bigger before Cobain died than after. This was not a case of death making the phenomenon.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfroMullet
the clash?!?!? THE CLASH!>?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumper Bones
pussy ass limericks?
"Gonna be a dirty punk
Gonna rock your neighborhood
Do the sound of rebel funk
Turn it up loud like it should
I could hear your momma scream
She's gonna waste herself away
When your daddy smashed that TV screen
I understand what he had to say
I'm going to get me a big, big, big
Big, Big car
Then I'm gonna drive, drive, drive
I'm gonna drive so far
Up your boulevard
Up your boulevard
So far up your boulevard"
"When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun
When the law break in
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting on death row
You can crush us
You can bruise us
But you'll have to answer to
Oh, the guns of Brixton"
have ya actually listened to the clash>?
you are dead to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumper Bones
May you have nightmares of Joe Strummer (with those bad teeth) chasing you around the back alleys of Brixton swinging an old Strat in your direction.
Gosh, You had respect for me? I'm touched. Maybe it is just a case of overplay and overcover but I am sooooo sick of that song.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater
The Clash?!?!?!?! Jumperbones knows not of what he speaks.
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Originally Posted by Jumper Bones
Ummmm, I'd suggest actually listening to the Clash. :cussing:
Strummer RIP
London Calling? are you fucking kidding me?
edit - note - maybe I should actually listen to something besides which is played on the radio.
but anything that sounds like tarzan bellowing as he swings between trees...or goth bitch stuff like the cure...be serious!
too late, nobody cares what you have to say about music anymore.
I'm going to have to agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuffy109
However, I'm also going to have to agree with the fact that all Nirvana ever did was wish they were the Pixies. Doesn't mean they don't have good tunes... just means they aren't the prophets that the mtv-kids say they are.
what, and you think the Cure were the goods?Quote:
Originally Posted by tuffy109
Calling the Clash overrated: Strike oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Jumper Bones
mis-spelling "LIMERICK": Strike two
Not knowing the difference between "limericks" and "lyrics": Strike three
You're Out!!!
well, you're right on the first two...I mis-spelled limerick, not good for somebody who usually is a spelling nazi, so guilty as charged...Quote:
Originally Posted by Plakespear
...but my problem with 'pussy-ass limmerics' had nothing to do with lyrics, but the whole songs themselves. Hence the reason I called them limericks, not ask why artists make such girly lyrics.
I could usually give a crap about the lyrics of a song.
So, since strike three never happened, am I still in? :fm:
you old farts need to lay off when somebody takes issue with music you happen to like. I consider myself a rather avid Nirvana fan, but I didn't jump in with 16 guns blazing when somebody called them overrated. Same for Led Zeppelin. It's all a matter of opinion, and not everybody's is going to gel. So suck it.
Different strokes for different folks.
but have you listened to the music you call overrated?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumper Bones
The clash laid the ground work for bands like Nirvana to exist.
Dave, kurt & chris I bet all had quite a bit of clash both in their library and their repetroire
I've been listening to Led Zeppelin for years now (hard not to when you listen to classic rock radio) but I only really started getting it in the past year or so. For a while, I thought of "Stairway to Heaven" only as the song that was not allowed in Wayne's favorite guitar shop, but now it's a cornerstone of my musical tastes and influences.
Jimi Hendrix took a while too, as did Kiss and Iron Maiden. Now, like only discovering alpine skiing last year after 9 years of tele, I wonder what else I have been missing?
Sometimes things can be right in your face for years but you only "see" it when you're ready to appreciate it.
rock the casbah? should I stay or should I go? Train in vain? London calling? I fought the law?
yes, I've heard enough to know that I don't like it.
Did you fuckers like 10,000 maniacs too?
I had to. It's a graduation requirement at SUNY Fredonia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumper Bones
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