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...that most people dont ski and love their warm weather. I have heard so much shit being sprayed by assholes about how great 80 degrees is in Nov. They couldn't care less that it isn't the least bit natural they just love the fact that they dont have to wear coats. Yesterday I heard a local weather man say "well that may be the last 70+ degree day until spring. But lets hope not. hahahahahaha." Asshole.
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If it makes you feel better it was -14 celcius at my house last night.
Too bad we don't have any snow.
...and that Bush ignores it.
I think it is totally wacko that some people think he is doing a good job.
I like this quote-so true.
"While it is true that not all republicans are stupid, most stupid people are republican."
Welcome to my world. been cold like that for a few days now.Quote:
Originally posted by Beaver
If it makes you feel better it was -14 celcius at my house last night.
Too bad we don't have any snow.
And if it makes either of you feel better it was -13 Ferenheit at my house wednesday night.
The other side of the aisle is not doing anything about it either. They talk about it, but when it comes crunch time...Quote:
Originally posted by steepconcrete
...and that Bush ignores it.
I think it is totally wacko that some people think he is doing a good job.
I like this quote-so true.
"While it is true that not all republicans are stupid, most stupid people are republican."
A proposed wind farm off Cape Cod raises howls
The plan promises clean energy. On beaches, they see things differently.
By Angela Couloumbis
Inquirer Staff Writer
NANTUCKET, Mass. - It is midafternoon on a hot and lazy weekday. Boston native Jim Gordon is standing on a cobblestone street, talking in low and measured tones about the crisp, clean beauty of wind.
The dream, he says, is to power this wealthy island, along with Martha's Vineyard and Cape Cod, almost exclusively with wind-generated electricity. There will be a wind farm, he says, with tall, graceful turbines.
A well-dressed older man strolling by slows down to listen - and in a booming voice offers Gordon this unsolicited advice: "Go to New York and sell your fans! They don't belong here!"
Such is the ruckus that Gordon, president of the Boston-based Cape Wind Associates, has caused since proposing two years ago to build the nation's first offshore wind farm in the backyard of one of America's most affluent playgrounds.
The wind farm would include 130 turbines - each more than 400 feet tall - along 24 square miles in the shallow waters of Nantucket Sound, producing enough electricity to power about three-quarters of the Cape and islands with clean, renewable energy.
Environmental groups across the country love the idea, which is being explored up and down the Eastern Seaboard - including in Asbury Park, N.J., where a company wants to build a wind farm 3.5 miles off the coast.
For now, the Cape Wind project in Massachusetts is the closest to becoming a reality, with its organizers hoping to see it up and running by 2006. But local opposition is fierce.
And in this case, the opposition has paid staff members and a public-relations firm in Washington. It has raised more than $1 million, bought television and radio time, and distributed flyers in newspapers.
It has also snagged the support and sympathy of the rich and powerful, some with area homes, such as the Kennedy family and Walter Cronkite. The latter lent his deep, distinctive voice to radio ads for the opposition group Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound.
So is this a classic case of NIMBY - Not in My Back Yard - from the land of the rich and powerful? Leaders of the Alliance bristle at any such suggestion.
'Stars and the moon'
Their members, they say, include more than just the jet-set and yacht-bound. And their beefs include a mix of environmental, regulatory and aesthetic concerns. "The bottom line is, a developer shouldn't just be able to walk in and lay claim to our oceans," said Isaac Rosen, the Alliance's executive director.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an environmental lawyer whose family's legendary Hyannis Port compound lies seven miles from the proposed wind farm, put it this way: "This is a place where you can see the stars and the moon at night. Now, it's going to be like looking out at La Guardia Airport... . You'll never see the stars again."
Gordon, who has spent his career in the energy field, doesn't buy it. He believes the Alliance is engaging in a campaign of misinformation to mask its primary goal - to protect the area's "trophy homeowners."
"You can't say you're for renewable energy but oppose it when it's on your distant horizon," he said.
Right now, the Cape and islands are powered through a mix of facilities, including oil-burning and nuclear, scattered in the region. As demand for electricity continues to rise, Cape Wind would enter the market offering a cleaner - and, it contends, cheaper - source of energy....
REST OF STORY
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So here we have a clean source and it is stall, and delay. If this is the resistence clean projects will meet, then global warming issues are not going to be resolved fast. We already know the tradeoffs, but when will someone actually lead.
Oh, you're that kind of doctor- I thought you were a dentist.Quote:
Originally posted by hardrider
I have heard so much shit being sprayed by assholes...
Yea, sure buddy...it was the democrats who backed out of the Kyoto Treaty.Quote:
Originally posted by Mcwop
The other side of the aisle is not doing anything about it either. They talk about it, but when it comes crunch time...
A proposed wind farm off Cape Cod raises howls
The plan promises clean energy. On beaches, they see things differently.
By Angela Couloumbis
Inquirer Staff Writer
NANTUCKET, Mass. - It is midafternoon on a hot and lazy weekday. Boston native Jim Gordon is standing on a cobblestone street, talking in low and measured tones about the crisp, clean beauty of wind.
The dream, he says, is to power this wealthy island, along with Martha's Vineyard and Cape Cod, almost exclusively with wind-generated electricity. There will be a wind farm, he says, with tall, graceful turbines.
A well-dressed older man strolling by slows down to listen - and in a booming voice offers Gordon this unsolicited advice: "Go to New York and sell your fans! They don't belong here!"
Such is the ruckus that Gordon, president of the Boston-based Cape Wind Associates, has caused since proposing two years ago to build the nation's first offshore wind farm in the backyard of one of America's most affluent playgrounds.
The wind farm would include 130 turbines - each more than 400 feet tall - along 24 square miles in the shallow waters of Nantucket Sound, producing enough electricity to power about three-quarters of the Cape and islands with clean, renewable energy.
Environmental groups across the country love the idea, which is being explored up and down the Eastern Seaboard - including in Asbury Park, N.J., where a company wants to build a wind farm 3.5 miles off the coast.
For now, the Cape Wind project in Massachusetts is the closest to becoming a reality, with its organizers hoping to see it up and running by 2006. But local opposition is fierce.
And in this case, the opposition has paid staff members and a public-relations firm in Washington. It has raised more than $1 million, bought television and radio time, and distributed flyers in newspapers.
It has also snagged the support and sympathy of the rich and powerful, some with area homes, such as the Kennedy family and Walter Cronkite. The latter lent his deep, distinctive voice to radio ads for the opposition group Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound.
So is this a classic case of NIMBY - Not in My Back Yard - from the land of the rich and powerful? Leaders of the Alliance bristle at any such suggestion.
'Stars and the moon'
Their members, they say, include more than just the jet-set and yacht-bound. And their beefs include a mix of environmental, regulatory and aesthetic concerns. "The bottom line is, a developer shouldn't just be able to walk in and lay claim to our oceans," said Isaac Rosen, the Alliance's executive director.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an environmental lawyer whose family's legendary Hyannis Port compound lies seven miles from the proposed wind farm, put it this way: "This is a place where you can see the stars and the moon at night. Now, it's going to be like looking out at La Guardia Airport... . You'll never see the stars again."
Gordon, who has spent his career in the energy field, doesn't buy it. He believes the Alliance is engaging in a campaign of misinformation to mask its primary goal - to protect the area's "trophy homeowners."
"You can't say you're for renewable energy but oppose it when it's on your distant horizon," he said.
Right now, the Cape and islands are powered through a mix of facilities, including oil-burning and nuclear, scattered in the region. As demand for electricity continues to rise, Cape Wind would enter the market offering a cleaner - and, it contends, cheaper - source of energy....
REST OF STORY
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So here we have a clean source and it is stall, and delay. If this is the resistence clean projects will meet, then global warming issues are not going to be resolved fast. We already know the tradeoffs, but when will someone actually lead.
It was the liberal tree-huggers fault.
Dumbass.
If there was anyone but dumbshit Bush, it would have been signed, and that would have been a start.
That suprises me he said this. I've met him and heard him speak, and he seemed like a down to earth guy who was truly trying to stop big corporations and thier raping of the enviroment. Well guess I'm as gullible as the rest.Quote:
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an environmental lawyer whose family's legendary Hyannis Port compound lies seven miles from the proposed wind farm, put it this way: "This is a place where you can see the stars and the moon at night. Now, it's going to be like looking out at La Guardia Airport... . You'll never see the stars again."
Anyways, I'm taking enviromental science classes and astronomy classes, both saying that global warming is a much much more complicated issue than just greenhouse gases.
BTW- we are at the peak of the 13,000 year cycle of ice ages. We are 7,500 years from the last ice age meaning we are in the hottest cycle of the 13,000 year cycle. The good news is that we are now moving into an ice age!! In 7,000 years SF will have snow. Just like the Jonny Moseley game predicted.
The wind farm would be fine if it were further offshore, but Cape Wind wants to get by on the cheap and to hell with the consequences, just like every other energy company. They can eat a dick.
I was under the impression that global warming has been occuring for the last 10,000 years. (the last ice age)
When we get done "fixing" this natural event, we should get rid of rain, wind and anything else that annoys us. (we can blame it on the politicians):rolleyes:
The Kyoto treaty is useless, unless you install things like wind farms to cut down on co2 emissions, which we can do on our own without waiting for some damn treaty. If there was not dumb shits like Kennedy blocking clean alternatives that would be a start too.Quote:
Originally posted by steepconcrete
Yea, sure buddy...it was the democrats who backed out of the Kyoto Treaty.
It was the liberal tree-huggers fault.
Dumbass.
If there was anyone but dumbshit Bush, it would have been signed, and that would have been a start.
Me. The problem with fixing global warming is me. So blame me. There. Do you feel better?
Think car. Think energy use. Think me.
That is fine, then we can keep burning coal while everybody nitpicks on the location of clean alternatives. In other countries wind farms are close to shore (1km or less), seems to be working fine for them.Quote:
Originally posted by iceman
The wind farm would be fine if it were further offshore, but Cape Wind wants to get by on the cheap and to hell with the consequences, just like every other energy company. They can eat a dick.
We're the Cape Wind electric company. Deal with it."
you know you are right, I'll take your world over 152 (well 151 minus the U.S.)world leaders and everyone working for them. Kyoto was a joke.Quote:
Originally posted by Mcwop
The Kyoto treaty is useless, unless you install things like wind farms to cut down on co2 emissions, which we can do on our own without waiting for some damn treaty. If there was not dumb shits like Kennedy blocking clean alternatives that would be a start too.
The whole point of the treaty was to force contrys to cut emmisions. So how is that useless.
I am done.
Ingnorace pisses me off.
That is why I can't stand the Bush Adm.
A five per cent increase in average car mileage would save more energy than a hundred wind farms could produce (don't check my math, I didn't do any). We need to reduce consumption, not despoil more landscapes.
Cape Wind is an extortion plot disguised as an energy project
Me too. I didnt mean to get another global warming fight started. Ive just been a little frustrated with the warm weather and the people that are celebrating it.Quote:
Originally posted by Buster Highmen
Me. The problem with fixing global warming is me. So blame me. There. Do you feel better?
Think car. Think energy use. Think me.
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I read somwhere that if passenger jats flew 10,000ft lower they would have no contrails which trap heat. The result would be a 1 degree drop in agv planetary temps. Dont take this to the bank just something I read awhile back.
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HR, I agree. Nothing gets me more irritated than seeing some boneheaded weatherperson extolling the virtual of warm weather.
If you want warm weather, live in the south with your in-in-in laws and cyclic family trees.
Took the words right out of my mouth, the only answer is using less.Quote:
Originally posted by iceman
A five per cent increase in average car mileage would save more energy than a hundred wind farms could produce (don't check my math, I didn't do any). We need to reduce consumption, not despoil more landscapes.
Cape Wind is an extortion plot disguised as an energy project
I guess I am not done....
Sounds like b.s. For one thing they would burn a lot more fuel in the thicker air.Quote:
Originally posted by hardrider
I read somwhere that if passenger jats flew 10,000ft lower they would have no contrails which trap heat. The result would be a 1 degree drop in agv planetary temps. Dont take this to the bank just something I read awhile back.
Sorry, I'll take credit for this, I just got done reading the paper and was a little pissed (as usual) at Bush....my bad.Quote:
Originally posted by hardrider
Me too. I didnt mean to get another global warming fight started. Ive just been a little frustrated with the warm weather and the people that are celebrating it.
http://www.thedayaftertomorrow.com/
Off topic, but when I saw the trailer for this in the threatre I yelled: "Ice age! HELL YEAH!" All my friends snickered.
By Steepconcrete
That didn't come across like it was meant, disregrd.
http://www.sunshinefoundation.org/images/liberace.jpgQuote:
Originally posted by steepconcrete
Ingnorace pisses me off.
Liberace and little Ingnorace prepare for a fun night tinkling the ivories.
I think a better word than "global warming" is "climate change." the weather patterns that are being affected both by natural causes and human interference are going in both directions, not just making things warmer. there will (and are) some examples of extremely cold weather that also fits the description of climate change.
What people also need to realize is that when things get warmer, it doesn't just mean you can get a tan in November in Boston, it means ice caps melt, oceans rise, farmland is submerged, and desertification occur. It's much more drastic than just "gee, we can bbq in December".
Not preaching to you guys, just sharing my thoughts.
"Ignorance is believing the Kyoto treaty is useful. Take the time to learn about it and the fact that it is useless becomes obvious."
Is your last name Ford? The Kyoto treaty is a good start. The Bush admin has it's head up it's ass on this one...as usual.
Yes, actually it is. But kyoto is a good start. Didn't Mcain and others just get something passed regarding global warming?Quote:
Originally posted by milkman
Is your last name Ford?
That was a bill introduced by Mccain and Lieberman, but did not pass.Quote:
Originally posted by robokill1981
Yes, actually it is. But kyoto is a good start. Didn't Mcain and others just get something passed regarding global warming?
Here is the vote record - for those interested.
The global warming bill that the Senate last acted on was in 1997 when, by a 95-to-0 vote, it rejected key principles underlying an international climate change treaty that was being negotiated in Kyoto, Japan.
No, but my paycheck relies on corporations willing to shell out big dollars in the interest of the enviroment. The Kyoto treaty had potential, but in its current form does more harm than good.Quote:
Is your last name Ford? The Kyoto treaty is a good start.
Lets say you run a giant multinational with manufacturing facilities in the US. The government signs on and you have a decision to make: 1) Spend the money needed to upgrade your facilities 2) Pay a "developing country" such as India or China for credits or 3) Pack up and move the manufacturing to a country that's allowed under the treaty to expand their emmisions. In a perfect world you would spend the cash on upgrades, reality is that you will move operation to India, emit more greenhouse gases since the rules aren't as strict and as a bonus, reduce your labor costs. This is good for who?
The sad fact is that Kyoto is a political ploy not an enviromental one. Since Canada signed on, I've spoken a number of people who've said that their company is now going to have to cut R&D spending on enviromental advances to prepare for Kyoto. Personally (and not just because my job relies on it), I'd rather see them spend the cash trying solve the problem as opposed to sending a check to another country to buy credits.
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Originally posted by wankHarder
Ignorance is believing the Kyoto treaty is useful. Take the time to learn about it and the fact that it is useless becomes obvious.
Explain please.
As far as I can see any agreement to cut emissions is a good thing. All that I've read suggests the agreement is as good as useless because the U.S did'nt subscribe to it.
As (at least some of) you guys say, "Brilliant".Quote:
Originally posted by bad_roo
http://www.sunshinefoundation.org/images/liberace.jpg
Liberace and little Ingnorace prepare for a fun night tinkling the ivories.
Hayduke
Look up, and note:Quote:
Explain please.
I am 100% behind reducing greenhouse gases, as well as a few other harmful types of emmisions not covered under Kyoto, just believe that with more input and less politics it would have been much more effective. I don't believe the accord will have any meaningful effect.Quote:
The Kyoto treaty had potential, but in its current form does more harm than good.
Sure, lets do that. Then planes would be burning more fuel to get to where they are going (more air resistance at lower altitudes), thus throwing out the idea of not polluting more. Also, we would need hundreds of more radio towers to accomdate flying at a lower altitude (id explain, but it would take me awhile, just think curvature of the earth) Planes would be flying through vicious thunderstorms at that low of an altitude and experience severe turbulence and weather patters causing a large increase in the number of planes crashing causing a lot of fires all over the place causing the atmosphere to be filled with fire and smoke and burning AND DEATH AND DESTRUCTION AND HORRIBLE HORRIBLE THINGSQuote:
Originally posted by hardrider
I read somwhere that if passenger jats flew 10,000ft lower they would have no contrails which trap heat. The result would be a 1 degree drop in agv planetary temps. Dont take this to the bank just something I read awhile back.
that is all
blah, blah, blah rant rave. Here is what I am doing:
Selling my F350 and trailer. Buying a cabin and a subie to get better gas mileage.
Making fewer trips and staying longer.
Hopefully buying a smaller house, with better insulation.
Children, play nice.
Love your boobies avatar. The bartender, who worked in the bar I met my wife, had breasts like that.Quote:
Originally posted by DINMS
Children, play nice.
"...before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parents' generation, try "delousing" the closet in your own room."