The Problem W/ fixing Global Warming is...

**hardrider** · 11-07-2003, 01:35 PM

...that most people dont ski and love their warm weather. I have heard so much shit being sprayed by assholes about how great 80 degrees is in Nov. They couldn't care less that it isn't the least bit natural they just love the fact that they dont have to wear coats. Yesterday I heard a local weather man say "well that may be the last 70+ degree day until spring. But lets hope not. hahahahahaha." Asshole.

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**Beaver** · 11-07-2003, 01:37 PM

If it makes you feel better it was -14 celcius at my house last night.

Too bad we don't have any snow.

**Game Over** · 11-07-2003, 01:45 PM

...and that Bush ignores it.

I think it is totally wacko that some people think he is doing a good job.

I like this quote-so true.
"While it is true that not all republicans are stupid, most stupid people are republican."

**Mountainman** · 11-07-2003, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by Beaver
If it makes you feel better it was -14 celcius at my house last night.

Too bad we don't have any snow.

Welcome to my world. been cold like that for a few days now.

**fez** · 11-07-2003, 01:45 PM

And if it makes either of you feel better it was -13 Ferenheit at my house wednesday night.

**Mcwop** · 11-07-2003, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by steepconcrete
...and that Bush ignores it.

I think it is totally wacko that some people think he is doing a good job.

I like this quote-so true.
"While it is true that not all republicans are stupid, most stupid people are republican."

The other side of the aisle is not doing anything about it either. They talk about it, but when it comes crunch time...

A proposed wind farm off Cape Cod raises howls
The plan promises clean energy. On beaches, they see things differently.
By Angela Couloumbis
Inquirer Staff Writer

NANTUCKET, Mass. - It is midafternoon on a hot and lazy weekday. Boston native Jim Gordon is standing on a cobblestone street, talking in low and measured tones about the crisp, clean beauty of wind.

The dream, he says, is to power this wealthy island, along with Martha's Vineyard and Cape Cod, almost exclusively with wind-generated electricity. There will be a wind farm, he says, with tall, graceful turbines.

A well-dressed older man strolling by slows down to listen - and in a booming voice offers Gordon this unsolicited advice: "Go to New York and sell your fans! They don't belong here!"

Such is the ruckus that Gordon, president of the Boston-based Cape Wind Associates, has caused since proposing two years ago to build the nation's first offshore wind farm in the backyard of one of America's most affluent playgrounds.

The wind farm would include 130 turbines - each more than 400 feet tall - along 24 square miles in the shallow waters of Nantucket Sound, producing enough electricity to power about three-quarters of the Cape and islands with clean, renewable energy.

Environmental groups across the country love the idea, which is being explored up and down the Eastern Seaboard - including in Asbury Park, N.J., where a company wants to build a wind farm 3.5 miles off the coast.

For now, the Cape Wind project in Massachusetts is the closest to becoming a reality, with its organizers hoping to see it up and running by 2006. But local opposition is fierce.

And in this case, the opposition has paid staff members and a public-relations firm in Washington. It has raised more than $1 million, bought television and radio time, and distributed flyers in newspapers.

It has also snagged the support and sympathy of the rich and powerful, some with area homes, such as the Kennedy family and Walter Cronkite. The latter lent his deep, distinctive voice to radio ads for the opposition group Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound.

So is this a classic case of NIMBY - Not in My Back Yard - from the land of the rich and powerful? Leaders of the Alliance bristle at any such suggestion.

'Stars and the moon'

Their members, they say, include more than just the jet-set and yacht-bound. And their beefs include a mix of environmental, regulatory and aesthetic concerns. "The bottom line is, a developer shouldn't just be able to walk in and lay claim to our oceans," said Isaac Rosen, the Alliance's executive director.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an environmental lawyer whose family's legendary Hyannis Port compound lies seven miles from the proposed wind farm, put it this way: "This is a place where you can see the stars and the moon at night. Now, it's going to be like looking out at La Guardia Airport... . You'll never see the stars again."

Gordon, who has spent his career in the energy field, doesn't buy it. He believes the Alliance is engaging in a campaign of misinformation to mask its primary goal - to protect the area's "trophy homeowners."

"You can't say you're for renewable energy but oppose it when it's on your distant horizon," he said.

Right now, the Cape and islands are powered through a mix of facilities, including oil-burning and nuclear, scattered in the region. As demand for electricity continues to rise, Cape Wind would enter the market offering a cleaner - and, it contends, cheaper - source of energy....
REST OF STORY
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So here we have a clean source and it is stall, and delay. If this is the resistence clean projects will meet, then global warming issues are not going to be resolved fast. We already know the tradeoffs, but when will someone actually lead.

**Viva** · 11-07-2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by hardrider
I have heard so much shit being sprayed by assholes...

Oh, you're that kind of doctor- I thought you were a dentist.

**Game Over** · 11-07-2003, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by Mcwop
The other side of the aisle is not doing anything about it either. They talk about it, but when it comes crunch time...

A proposed wind farm off Cape Cod raises howls
The plan promises clean energy. On beaches, they see things differently.
By Angela Couloumbis
Inquirer Staff Writer

NANTUCKET, Mass. - It is midafternoon on a hot and lazy weekday. Boston native Jim Gordon is standing on a cobblestone street, talking in low and measured tones about the crisp, clean beauty of wind.

The dream, he says, is to power this wealthy island, along with Martha's Vineyard and Cape Cod, almost exclusively with wind-generated electricity. There will be a wind farm, he says, with tall, graceful turbines.

A well-dressed older man strolling by slows down to listen - and in a booming voice offers Gordon this unsolicited advice: "Go to New York and sell your fans! They don't belong here!"

Such is the ruckus that Gordon, president of the Boston-based Cape Wind Associates, has caused since proposing two years ago to build the nation's first offshore wind farm in the backyard of one of America's most affluent playgrounds.

The wind farm would include 130 turbines - each more than 400 feet tall - along 24 square miles in the shallow waters of Nantucket Sound, producing enough electricity to power about three-quarters of the Cape and islands with clean, renewable energy.

Environmental groups across the country love the idea, which is being explored up and down the Eastern Seaboard - including in Asbury Park, N.J., where a company wants to build a wind farm 3.5 miles off the coast.

For now, the Cape Wind project in Massachusetts is the closest to becoming a reality, with its organizers hoping to see it up and running by 2006. But local opposition is fierce.

And in this case, the opposition has paid staff members and a public-relations firm in Washington. It has raised more than $1 million, bought television and radio time, and distributed flyers in newspapers.

It has also snagged the support and sympathy of the rich and powerful, some with area homes, such as the Kennedy family and Walter Cronkite. The latter lent his deep, distinctive voice to radio ads for the opposition group Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound.

So is this a classic case of NIMBY - Not in My Back Yard - from the land of the rich and powerful? Leaders of the Alliance bristle at any such suggestion.

'Stars and the moon'

Their members, they say, include more than just the jet-set and yacht-bound. And their beefs include a mix of environmental, regulatory and aesthetic concerns. "The bottom line is, a developer shouldn't just be able to walk in and lay claim to our oceans," said Isaac Rosen, the Alliance's executive director.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an environmental lawyer whose family's legendary Hyannis Port compound lies seven miles from the proposed wind farm, put it this way: "This is a place where you can see the stars and the moon at night. Now, it's going to be like looking out at La Guardia Airport... . You'll never see the stars again."

Gordon, who has spent his career in the energy field, doesn't buy it. He believes the Alliance is engaging in a campaign of misinformation to mask its primary goal - to protect the area's "trophy homeowners."

"You can't say you're for renewable energy but oppose it when it's on your distant horizon," he said.

Right now, the Cape and islands are powered through a mix of facilities, including oil-burning and nuclear, scattered in the region. As demand for electricity continues to rise, Cape Wind would enter the market offering a cleaner - and, it contends, cheaper - source of energy....
REST OF STORY
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So here we have a clean source and it is stall, and delay. If this is the resistence clean projects will meet, then global warming issues are not going to be resolved fast. We already know the tradeoffs, but when will someone actually lead.

Yea, sure buddy...it was the democrats who backed out of the Kyoto Treaty.

It was the liberal tree-huggers fault.

Dumbass.

If there was anyone but dumbshit Bush, it would have been signed, and that would have been a start.

**Alkasquawlik** · 11-07-2003, 02:19 PM

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an environmental lawyer whose family's legendary Hyannis Port compound lies seven miles from the proposed wind farm, put it this way: "This is a place where you can see the stars and the moon at night. Now, it's going to be like looking out at La Guardia Airport... . You'll never see the stars again."

That suprises me he said this. I've met him and heard him speak, and he seemed like a down to earth guy who was truly trying to stop big corporations and thier raping of the enviroment. Well guess I'm as gullible as the rest.

Anyways, I'm taking enviromental science classes and astronomy classes, both saying that global warming is a much much more complicated issue than just greenhouse gases.

BTW- we are at the peak of the 13,000 year cycle of ice ages. We are 7,500 years from the last ice age meaning we are in the hottest cycle of the 13,000 year cycle. The good news is that we are now moving into an ice age!! In 7,000 years SF will have snow. Just like the Jonny Moseley game predicted.

**iceman** · 11-07-2003, 03:03 PM

The wind farm would be fine if it were further offshore, but Cape Wind wants to get by on the cheap and to hell with the consequences, just like every other energy company. They can eat a dick.

Blurred Elevens · 11-07-2003, 03:10 PM

I was under the impression that global warming has been occuring for the last 10,000 years. (the last ice age)

When we get done "fixing" this natural event, we should get rid of rain, wind and anything else that annoys us. (we can blame it on the politicians)

**Mcwop** · 11-07-2003, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by steepconcrete
Yea, sure buddy...it was the democrats who backed out of the Kyoto Treaty.

It was the liberal tree-huggers fault.

Dumbass.

If there was anyone but dumbshit Bush, it would have been signed, and that would have been a start.

The Kyoto treaty is useless, unless you install things like wind farms to cut down on co2 emissions, which we can do on our own without waiting for some damn treaty. If there was not dumb shits like Kennedy blocking clean alternatives that would be a start too.

**Buster Highmen** · 11-07-2003, 03:13 PM

Me. The problem with fixing global warming is me. So blame me. There. Do you feel better?
Think car. Think energy use. Think me.

**Mcwop** · 11-07-2003, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by iceman
The wind farm would be fine if it were further offshore, but Cape Wind wants to get by on the cheap and to hell with the consequences, just like every other energy company. They can eat a dick.

That is fine, then we can keep burning coal while everybody nitpicks on the location of clean alternatives. In other countries wind farms are close to shore (1km or less), seems to be working fine for them.

**Buster Highmen** · 11-07-2003, 03:21 PM

We're the Cape Wind electric company. Deal with it."

**Game Over** · 11-07-2003, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Mcwop
The Kyoto treaty is useless, unless you install things like wind farms to cut down on co2 emissions, which we can do on our own without waiting for some damn treaty. If there was not dumb shits like Kennedy blocking clean alternatives that would be a start too.

you know you are right, I'll take your world over 152 (well 151 minus the U.S.)world leaders and everyone working for them. Kyoto was a joke.

The whole point of the treaty was to force contrys to cut emmisions. So how is that useless.

I am done.

Ingnorace pisses me off.

That is why I can't stand the Bush Adm.

**iceman** · 11-07-2003, 03:25 PM

A five per cent increase in average car mileage would save more energy than a hundred wind farms could produce (don't check my math, I didn't do any). We need to reduce consumption, not despoil more landscapes.

Cape Wind is an extortion plot disguised as an energy project

**hardrider** · 11-07-2003, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Buster Highmen
Me. The problem with fixing global warming is me. So blame me. There. Do you feel better?
Think car. Think energy use. Think me.

Me too. I didnt mean to get another global warming fight started. Ive just been a little frustrated with the warm weather and the people that are celebrating it.
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**hardrider** · 11-07-2003, 03:29 PM

I read somwhere that if passenger jats flew 10,000ft lower they would have no contrails which trap heat. The result would be a 1 degree drop in agv planetary temps. Dont take this to the bank just something I read awhile back.
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**Buster Highmen** · 11-07-2003, 03:30 PM

HR, I agree. Nothing gets me more irritated than seeing some boneheaded weatherperson extolling the virtual of warm weather.

If you want warm weather, live in the south with your in-in-in laws and cyclic family trees.

**Game Over** · 11-07-2003, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by iceman
A five per cent increase in average car mileage would save more energy than a hundred wind farms could produce (don't check my math, I didn't do any). We need to reduce consumption, not despoil more landscapes.

Cape Wind is an extortion plot disguised as an energy project

Took the words right out of my mouth, the only answer is using less.

I guess I am not done....

**The AD** · 11-07-2003, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by hardrider
I read somwhere that if passenger jats flew 10,000ft lower they would have no contrails which trap heat. The result would be a 1 degree drop in agv planetary temps. Dont take this to the bank just something I read awhile back.

Sounds like b.s. For one thing they would burn a lot more fuel in the thicker air.

**Game Over** · 11-07-2003, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by hardrider
Me too. I didnt mean to get another global warming fight started. Ive just been a little frustrated with the warm weather and the people that are celebrating it.

Sorry, I'll take credit for this, I just got done reading the paper and was a little pissed (as usual) at Bush....my bad.

**joshbu** · 11-07-2003, 04:02 PM

http://www.thedayaftertomorrow.com/

Off topic, but when I saw the trailer for this in the threatre I yelled: "Ice age! HELL YEAH!" All my friends snickered.