...and we deserve anything that happens from here on out. I'm am truly embarrassed and ashamed of my country. :frown:
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...and we deserve anything that happens from here on out. I'm am truly embarrassed and ashamed of my country. :frown:
there is a simple solution: return Texas back to its rightful owner.
those are strong words
unfortunately, I have to agree with Kevin.. :confused:
yeah those are pretty strong words.......I find it hard to believe that our situation is really that bad.......It's not good, but don't start moving to Tijuana just yet.
Three U.S. presidents have escalated unnecessary (non-defensive) wars in which companies to which they had financial ties benefited directly. All three were from Texas.Quote:
Originally Posted by noodles
Consider the fact that those states that voted for Bush are the states that are least likely to suffer in the event of a terrorist attack. It's the Democratic states that will suffer with their big cities and juicy targets.
Your self loathing is pathetic. Crying like a little girl...Quote:
Originally Posted by KevinDineen
I have to agree with KD on this one. We have shown the world how stupid and ignorant the majority of Americans really are. I weep for our nation and the world. :cussing: :frown:
I'm up here in Burlington VT in a university town and you'd think the world just ended. A large band of hippies (I'm not sterotpying they were all hippies) just walked by my house banging drums and yelling. All of VT will probably commit suicide :rolleyes:
I try to keep an open mind and I disagree with some of Bush's decisions and agree with others. I hardly think we are in such a dire situation right now.
Maybe I'm a naive idealist, but I will continue to attend university and will continue to ski, life will go on.
I am attending UNSW in Sydney next semester and will I be ashamed to say I'm American? No. Does George Bush define who I am as a person and a citizen? No.
George Bush may not be the ideal person, but the country voted. 4 years is 4 years, regardless the United States will continue to have the highest living standard and be the most prosperous country in the world. The Apocolypse is not now.
Could not agree with you more... It goes to show that the majority of Americans are dumb and un-educated, or at the very least, completely mis-guided. Dont come bitching to me about your $240 per month health care plan, or the possible scenerio of an overturned Roe vs Wade.
A lot of people voted for Bush because he is an incumbant, and feel like they are better off not having change... Most voted for him due to "The War On Terror". Well... when your foreign policies are such as his, and you are the un-welcomed and un-justly sefl-pronounced POLICE OF THE WORLD, you better have a strong army... because the whole world hates you and wants to kick your ass!
I know a lot of you are also world travelers, and I am sure most of you while in a different country ( at least should be) emberrassed to be an American.
We wont even get in to the enviroment.... There isnt even a debate there.
Now that the world knows that over half of voting Americans support our "leader" in his shiting on the world... I believe there will be MORE retaliations and terror inflicted on us than there would have been had we shown the world we were concerned about our image and future, by voting for a new and better President.
Bush is the :FIREdevil and we are all riding his coat tails down. :fuckyou:
Why would a skiier run to Tijuana?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsugar
well put KD, I feel the same.
I had those same exact thoughts last night while watching this election unfold.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntiSoCalSkier
The better question is why would a skiing magazine have their offices in Orange County, California? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by cj001f
No kidding. Bush supporters said terrorism was one of their top reasons for voting for him, yet New Yorkers, who were the ones most affected by terrorism, wanted him out by a huge margin. Something is seriously wrong there.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntiSoCalSkier
It really depresses me. The anti-gay amendments depress me too. Why, in the land of "religious freedom" do we need to enforce religious beliefs on people?
KD, I just wrote in another thread that
"I can not speak for all europe. But I can speak for myself and I am an european who has always loved and respected US. I am sad. This is a very sad day."
I have been touched by your words, and would like just to add one more thing. As a MD who takes daily care of very sick patients, I am also more sad. The religious hype driving these neo-con people to ban potential useful tools like stem cells or - say - marijuana derivates to alleviate pain in terminal patients is making this world worst. And, tooooo bad to say, this happens in some EU contries too. Hope this share of shame can alleviate your pain, which is the same pain of a lot of people here on the other side of the great atlantic lake.
[QUOTE=Knockneed Man]Could not agree with you more... It goes to show that the majority of Americans are dumb and un-educated, or at the very least, completely mis-guided. QUOTE]
maybe you should use the words lazy or worthless.........
If more people 18-24 voted kerry could possibly have won.....so feel free to call lazy democrats lazy.
The majority of people on this planet are dumb and uneducated...
If you needed an election to tell you that, or to prove that argument, then you wasted a lot of time.....you could have just opened the newspaper.
It would be interesting to see the amount of registered dems that voted vs. the number of registered repubs that voted......that may show dems being stupid and dumb..or I mean lazy....then what?
What i don't understand is that the majority of Bush votes were from people that considered MORAL VALUES thier main issue. Also most of bush votes from women (hehe). How are Moral Values more important than Social security robberies? more important than be deceiptful about Iraq and WMD? more important than outsourcing jobs? more important than health care reform?
ah crap sorry to rant, just was looking foward to change instead of 4 more of the same. If things continue to slide, how long will it take to reverse all of this??
My tears are for you, too, my friend. My tears are for America. This is not sour grapes; I don't route for politicians as if they were a sports team. I honestly fear for the future. The war with Iran will be our most costly yet. That's not a typo.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteepnDeep
KD, Altagirl, I'm with ya. It blows me away how people have begun to overlook and/or overtake the personal freedoms that this country has stood for from it's beginning. Not only am I sad and embarrassed that we have an arrogant and imperialist government in Washington, but I'm also embarrassed and sad that 11 states have voted to ban gay marriage, and many, including UT, to ban domestic and civil unions. What kind of example are we? It's becoming harder to fool ourselves into thinking that this truly is a free country.
I don't know. I really don't see how gay marriage affects non-gays one bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by altagirl
May the Republican revelers proclaim their hallowed victory:
" I voted for George Bush. I was a diehard supporter of the biggest ripoff of the American people in history. I willingly admit my responsibility for the theft of my country's future - the transfer of social security savings into the pockets of Wall Street scam artists, the alienation of the rest of a world which doesn't exist because I've never been there, the degradation of education to unprecedented lows (except, of course, for the rich), the enslavement of the lower class by the wealthy (even if I'm not wealthy), and the demise of basic health care. Victory, poverty and pestilence for all."
Because it was morally correct.
It doesn't. But attached to the gay marriage ban in UT is also a paragraph about domestic and civil unions. So when all the Mos voted to ban gay marriage, they also voted that heterosexual couples who are not married cannot gain access to the legal rights of married couples. Further defined: If I have a boyfriend who is terminally ill, and he and I want to be able to handle his financial, insurance, or other affairs for him because he has no other family to do so, I basically can't. At least not without a whole mess of legal procedings that married couples don't have to deal with.Quote:
I don't know. I really don't see how gay marriage affects non-gays one bit.
This thread fucking sucks!!! Delete this bullshit now. Life isn't over. All this "the sky is falling," "this is the most important election ever," blah, blah, blah, is really pathetic. Fucking get out and do something to change it if you don't like it. Bush is a dipshit but slightly less of a dipshit than Kerry. The country saw this and voted. Get over it. I had a hard time looking at that cigar smoking, cow fucker Clinton for eight years but I didn't shoot myself over it.
It goes deeper than just being gay, it has mostly to do with rights and abilities to get the same financial and insurance benefits that normal married couples get, and its just not fair that you have to be straight and married to get that.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
I can't believe what happened, I thought the young voters were gonna swing it, but the numbers are the same for the last election.
I've already listened to the decline like 5 times, it rings so true today
And so we go, on with our lives
We know the truth, but prefer lies
Lies are simple, simple is bliss
Why go against tradition when we can
Admit defeat, live in decline
Be the victim of our own design
The status quo, built on suspect
Why would anyone stick out their neck?
I am sad. Nothing more it say it's going to be a grim tough 4 years, we are going to have to watch everymove he makes. Be smart and exercise our weaning right to protest against his actions. If we are careful he won't get away with taking our rights.
I am sad to be an American it's coming to be everything the world hates.
I dunno, I wanted to use Tijuana in a sentence. There, I did it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by cj001f
Point is, we should not be ashamed of our country because 51 or 52 or whatever percent of us who bothered to show up at the polls decided fllubdub A was better than flubdub B. The world will think of us what it will; Kerry being president was not going to change that. It will take drastic change to garner more respect overseas......and to make things right hereat home. kerry was not the man for that job.......he might have stopped the bleeding but the wound would still be there.
As depressing as having this dumbfuck puppet of the religious right/extraction industries in office for another 4 years will be, and as much as I'd like the dems in congress to obstruct and fillibuster every repub nomination and proposal that comes up for a vote, I say fuck it--let the right wingers have their way with the economy, foreign affairs, the courts, the environment. We will get what we deserve. Sometimes, in life and politics, you've got to hit rock bottom before you wake up.
Osama Bin Laden is the real winner in this election.
I thought the younger voters would help this time around too....
- SIOBHAN McDONOUGH, Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, November 2, 2004
(11-02) 21:39 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --
This was not the breakout year for young voters that some had anticipated.
Fewer than one in 10 voters Tuesday were 18 to 24, about the same proportion of the electorate as in 2000, exit polls indicated. Still, with voter turnout expected to be higher overall, more young people appeared to have come out.
A vigorous push on college campuses by both parties and national mobilization drives had raised expectations that 2004 would be the year of the youth vote.
Exit polls indicated that young people who did vote were strongly supporting Democrat John Kerry over President Bush, while they were evenly split between Bush and Democrat Al Gore four years ago.
The exit polls were conducted for The Associated Press by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International.
First-time voters made up about 10 percent of the electorate, about the same as in 2000, and they favored Kerry. Four years ago, the group leaned toward Gore.
The economy and moral values were the top issues for young voters, with about one-fifth of those surveyed choosing each. Young people concerned about moral values strongly supported Bush, while those interested in the economy and jobs chose Kerry.
Iraq and terrorism were next on the list -- with Kerry winning the Iraq vote and Bush taking the terrorism group.
"It's definitely the war," said Eliana Deutsch, 20, of San Diego, explaining why she came out. "People see these soldiers who are 18 and don't have an education, and they're over there dying. It's really sad that that (the military) is their best option."
Sarah White, 18, a North Palm Beach high school student in Florida who was excited about voting for the first time, went for Bush, saying, "I agree with a lot of what he stands for."
Jay Strell, a spokesman for Rock the Vote, a campaign targeting 18- to 25-year-olds, said the voter turnout among young people was impressive this year.
"The issues at stake in this election -- the war in Iraq, the prospect, however remote, of a draft, the economy -- are all reasons more young people came out to vote this election, " he said. "They are clearly being more impacted by the issues at stake in this election."
Link to article
I'm sorry, 1080, you'll have to give Bush another year or two before you can turn us in for speaking our minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1080Rider
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Originally Posted by Knockneed Man
So true knockneed. Bush never seems to miss an oppurtunity to "shit" on the world and its future. So sad that we can't lead by example. I'm excited to see what Putin and the rest of the fucked up nations of the world have in store. I think it's safe to say that we won't be able to call them on any of it because it would be like the pot calling the kettle black.
I too am ashamed and embarrassed KD.
But look on the bright side, Bush will now have the stress of his own Vietnam to deal with instead of Kerry being saddled with it.
Many friends of mine voted Bush and even my dad did. I am embarrassed for their near sited greed and ethnocentrism.
So you guys were relying on a group of people who think a "civic duty" is the duty to attach wings sticker and spoilers to every honda civic in the united states to win this election. I guess hind sight is 20/20, but that doesn't seem like a good strategy at any point.
What did you do to better the world 1080???Quote:
Originally Posted by 1080Rider
its time for some real world politics, economics, history, math and english.
there are some of us who have, and some that go without.
america and justice are not synonymous.
for all the fights, for all the songs, all we said.
all we have is these pictures of us.
and if it doesnt matter now then it never really did, withouth this we might as well be dead.
theyre all black and white people, and that doenst have anything to do with us.
after all these years its still an arms race, after all these years they still dont fucking get it.
lives and cultures matter more than capitalist interest.
its the cia; its the fbi; the imf, from hmo's to mtv. fuck you.
for all the fights, for all the songs, all we said.
all we have is these pictures of us.
and if it doesnt matter now then it never really did, without this we might as well be dead.
when you are so hungry that youd believe anything.
theyre selling you the politics of starving.
what the fuck does that mean to us.
Save your tears. I can respect your views and even sympathize with your disappointment, but don't fucking call me a bastard. "We" are not bastards, and "we" DO NOT "deserve" anything that happens. And no, Knockneed, everyone who voted for Bush is not dumb, "un-educated," or misguided. I guess, by definition, you are smarter, more educated, and more divinely enlightened than anyone who voted for Bush. It is exactly this fucking arrogant, self-aggrandizing attitude that makes people stop looking at issues and start saying :the_finge This is a goddamn DEMOCRACY. Don't be ashamed of your country, be ashamed of yourself for this post. Regardless of which side of the fence you sit, this is emabarrasing.Quote:
My tears are for you, too, my friend. My tears are for America. This is not sour grapes; I don't route for politicians as if they were a sports team. I honestly fear for the future. The war with Iran will be our most costly yet. That's not a typo.
I don't care if you speak your mind but the fucking whinning is annoying. This country was based on the belief that anyone can be anything they want. You need to bust your ass and stand up for what you believe. You have the freedom to do that and hopefully make changes. This country was ripped in two many years ago. We set aside out differences to make this the greatest county on earth. This election has been polarizing but nobody died over it, the country will be stronger in the future over these issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by splat
The thing is, this pathetic, "poor us" bullshit attitude held by most liberals is what brings this country down WAY more than anything any president could do. This fucking shitty attitude lets people give up. It gives them an out, an excuse, to not take responsibility for anything. That's the thing liberals either can't see or won't admit. The things wrong w/ this country all rest in the lap of the american liberal. Stop the sniveling and get over it...
I was going to put this in an email to KD and some others but it turned into this massive rant that lost all coherency, so I knew this was the perfect place to put it. Thanks for bearing with me!
I just wanted to say that I feel your pain.... I am so horribly ashamed and embarassed right now that I've been visiting Canadian imigration sites just because. It makes me sad to know just how apathetic, disconnected and ingnorant the vast majority of Amoricans are.
Most people live their lives in a mundane existence of redudancy through their adherence to the sociological blueprint that is American life. They follow the plan minute for minute, dollar for dollar, vote for vote until they've expended their lives marching down this road to golfy retirement, RV's, grandkids and safe complacency. When someone strays from this path--crumples up the blueprint and burns it by devoting their life to a passion, to travel, to self exploration or even to others, the perpetrator is usually branded as "crazy" or "out there" or "irresponsible."
But what exactly is crazy?
Following someone else's paved sidewalk to the cafeteria of mass sedation or enjoying a healthy dose of sociopathy by blazing your own? Living life in the cradle of safety in numbers and and never feeling pain, immediate fear, dire exertion and primordial challenge or pushing yourself in any number of ways and really experiencing what it is to be human, to know your own mental, emotional and physical limits. What's more irresponsible--adhering to your responsibility to what you've been told all your life by so many people to do or choosing to recognize a responsibility to yourself, to your passions and callings and to what your very being tells you do?
It's this mentality and corresponding lack of socio-inspection that has become the norm. It's the subscription to an unchallenged apathy that keeps people on the sidewalk and prevents them from considering crossing the street to the unpaved, unexplored forest that never goes away. And to me it's the same animal that fuels our current mentality: Fear of change, fear of introspection and fear of a real examination of the world in which we live. It's so much easier, safer and socially nondescript to pull the lever on that lazyboy, dial Pizza Hut for the tripple decker meat loaded cardiac bomb and suck in fatburning patch commercials than it is to challenge ideals and truly examine the world that immediately surrounds you.
Yeah, I write this in a feeble attempt to vent my disbelief of yesterday's election. It's true...had Kerry won, I probably wouldn't be neck deep in this morass of frustration and disgust. So I suppose it's a good thing, in a way--Defeat of ideals somehow inspires more of what I cherrish and hold as truly necessary: Opening my eyes and really looking around at what's going on where we live and how we live.
I hope you guys aren't as frustrated as I am. Sorry to bang this out on you but I just had to get it off my chest.
Cheers
Double post.