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They don't friggin' play anybody. A&M don't count cause it was the first game - before A&M got things rollin'.
Can't wait to see Wyoming spank the friggin Utes in a few weeks and shut all these "I think I know college football" foos here in SLC up!!!
Dude, what poll are you looking at? I see them at No. 7. And the Cowpokes aren't going to be beating up on the Utes. The real question is how does a Brock Berlin led Miami get ahead of Oklahoma? Rankings and the state of college football is a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xover
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Originally Posted by Xover
If I remeber correctly, Strength of schedule isnt being applied to rankings this year. But man, #4 thats quaility. go utah.
The only thing being applied to the BCS formula this time around is the average poll ranking and the computer average (6 computers). Good thing nobody wants a playoff huh?
Edit: BCS Poll link: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/abcsports/BCSStandings
There at 7, not 4.
I am as big of Utah fan as there is, but if they make it to a BCS bowl, it absolutely guarantees no change in the bowl system in college football bacause the bcs will say that the system works because a non-bcs school can get into a bcs bowl game. I am torn because I want them to go, but I also want to see a playoff system in D-1.
Oh, and Xover, it was Utahs first game too. They didn't have things going yet either. This schedule was made 5 years ago. It isn't the U's fault that Arizona, NC, and Texas A&M are down (well, A&M is looking pretty good, even if their quarterback can't throw the ball to save his life). The bottom line is that they are winning, and winning the way they should be winning. Strength of schedule isn't directly included in the BCS rankings anymore, but it does influence how the coaches poll and the AP poll turn out. If they lose to one of the crappy teams o ntheir schedule, then they clearly do not deserve to play in a BCS game.
Me too. But don't count on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cololi
Hell, all that needs to be said - Wyoming lost to bYu.Quote:
Originally posted by Xover
Can't wait to see Wyoming spank the friggin Utes in a few weeks and shut all these "I think I know college football" foos here in SLC up!!!
Xover--quit yer bitchin. The Utes are winning and winning big. Alex Smith is your daddy, Parris warren eats pieces of shit like you for breakfast, and Marty Johnson will wipe his ass with your face. Nuff said.
it's nice to see a small time team up there, but i'd like to see how they fair against some big names that are ranked behind them.
No gripes about Sothren California #1 2 years in a row guess we should of been in the Sugar Bowl after all!! BCS system still needs some fine tunning or just get dumped al together.
See you in Miami on 1/4/05!! FIGHT ON!!!!! :cool:
USC schedule = Almost as weak as Utahs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helicrackjnky
[/skibe takes podium] They didn't setup the schedule this past summer dumbasses! When Utah put A&M on the schedule A&M was kicking some serious ass and North Carolina was not a slouch. It's not the Utes fault A&M decided to stick their heads straight up ones asses for the first game this year. If Utah goes undefeated as they should then we will see how they do against a big time program besides A&M since you apparently aren't counting them as a descent college program. Until then everybody needs to STFU and watch an awesome program shove it straight up the BCS's asses! They dont say "anybody can be beat on any given day" for no reason [/skibe steps off podium]Quote:
Originally Posted by AltaPowderDaze
edit: wasn't directing the dumbass comment towards you APD. Just get tired of hearing Utah doesn't deserve to be ranked in the top 10 like xover thinks.
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Originally Posted by skibe
skibe,
i think they are a good team, they just need some backing from rowdy fans to play against the larger teams. i've only been to one ute game and it was good, but i think there were only 25,000 fans there. i'm used to seeing 97k on a good day and about 70-80k on a bad one. i don't know if they have played anyone that packs a house yet, but i'd just like to see how they respond to the pressure of both the game and the fans.
Actually, I'm pretty sure every game this year has been sold out except one. Average attendance has been 44,000 which is damn near capacity, apparently you didn't go to the Texas A&M or North Carolina game because those were both sold out, Air Force was nearly sold out. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AltaPowderDaze
Next time SkiBe hears from me, it will be Jan. 2 goin' across the High T and all I'm gonna give ya is a big, phat BWA after the Utes just got spanked in their previous days bowl game :DQuote:
Originally Posted by skibe
[Utes and BYU would go along way to gaining some national respect by joining a much better, tougher, bigger name conference than the little ol' Mountain West AA High School league that it is.]
[QUOTE=Xover]Next time SkiBe hears from me, it will be Jan. 2 goin' across the High T and all I'm gonna give ya is a big, phat BWA after the Utes just got spanked in their previous days bowl game :D
If that happens I will deserve it but until then sit down and shut up you big ole HATER ;) . Look forward to seeing you in a few weeks. First pitcher is on me.
The Utes are the best in the MWC for sure, but are they BCS bowl bound? Yes, if Wyoming or Colorado State don't pull off an upset. Will they win in a BCS bowl? HELL no.
As far as the comments about crowds go, it's not just the size of the crowd, it's how hostile it is. Why do you think teams hate dread playing at Neyland or the Big House? The Big House has gotten wimpier over the years but Neyland still scares the crap out of a lot of teams.
Xover - I wouldn't talk smack about the Utes when Orton couldn't handle Erasmus James' harassment. The past few games have been closer because the D's have been better. Mark my words: Michigan is going to bury Purdue.
Likewise.Quote:
Originally Posted by skibe
and 13, I hope you're wrong about this Saturday - don't know if I can take 2 heart braking losses back to back. However, if'n it does happen you're payback will come your first day back out here - Pain Train gonna be coming down your track mofo :D
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Originally Posted by 13
Uh......I respectfully disagree.
when i say "packed house", i'm talkin about nearly 100,000 fans screaming so loud that you can't hear your self think. my home statium is collectivly called deaf valley instead of death valley. and 13, those fans in the south can be pretty freakin hostile.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Telephil
edit: btw 13, i think we stole your coach.
Hey APD, you can keep $aban. How's that working out for y'all right now? :cool:
See Louisville now? A team full of John L. Smith recruits nearly beat Miami on Thursday night.
Nobody wants a playoff (including players) because it is a logistic and timing nightmare. They already play from August to January, a playoff would require what, another 4 games at least? Playing into February, well into the second semester? They are actually students after all. (Well, maybe not in the SEC.)Quote:
Originally Posted by FNG
The last couple years have allowed a 12 game schedule, because of how many Saturdays have fallen within a given time period. Now that the pattern of weeks will change for the next few years and will only allow an 11 game schedule again, the schools are crapping their pants because they are going to lose an extra game's worth of revenue that they are accustomed to. They want to adopt a standard 12 game schedule. The players and coaches have said "no".
As for Utah, the great thing about college football is the cyclical nature. Everyone has their ups and downs, and it just separates out the real fans.
he may be high paid, but he definatly turned that team around. as for right now, they need a qb that can lead the team. they're an ok team that could be much better.
You talking about LSU? Definitely a different atmosphere in Baton Rouge but that doesn't mean that the Utes aren't packing the stadium they have as full as it gets. Having been to games in South Bend, Baton Rouge and here there is definitely no comparison with the stadium size and quantity of fans but it is still pretty good here.Quote:
Originally Posted by AltaPowderDaze
edit: read further posts yes you are talking about LSU.
That game proves nothing. As much as I want to see the 'cards become a powerhouse, carying a lead into the 4th quarter against Miami happens a lot and proves very little about your team. Miami has made a living sleeping all game and then waking up and beating the hell out of everyone in the 4th to win the game the last few years. That is just what they do. Louisville is a good team, but "almost" beating Miami doesn't make them a powerhouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by 13
yup, good ole lsu. dave, i was just wondering if an atmoshphere like that would shake an otherwise good team that might not be used to it. a lot of the teams in the sec really bring that atmoshpere with them wherever they go. most of the road fans have 1/4 mil rv's that they roll wherever the team goes. the rest get there however they can. btw dave, how was the game you were at (and what game/when)?
It's been a few years (maybe 6). Both my brother and sister went to LSU (golf scholarships) so I have been to 3 games all at Thanksgiving time and I think all were against Arkansas. The last game I saw there was when they were still doing construction on the upper deck on one side of the stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by AltaPowderDaze
Agreed. I was merely pointing out that John L. is a superb recruiter to be able to bring the caliber of players he did into Louisville, Miami game notwithstanding, they are kicking ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaSucks
Big things are happening in East Lansing. Mark my words.
Utah vs: USC......................Um No.
Utah vs: Miami....................I don't think so.
Utah vs: Oklahoma...............Yeah right.
Utah vs: Auburn...................Hell No.
Utah vs: FSU.......................Nope
Utah vs: Georgia..................Not this year or next year.
Utah vs: Tennessee..............Ha!
The only teams in the top ten I think they can beat is Wisconsin and Cal. But it would be cool to see the Utes Play with the big boys of the SEC and other big time programs. If they do go to a BCS game I hope you ute fans travel cause all of the teams listed above will.
They manage to pull it off in D-2 and D-3. I can see where it could be a scheduling problem, but it would be doable. The bigest problem is that no one wants to share a piece of the finanacial pie more than they have to. A conference like the SEC, who typically puts more than one school in a BCS bowl, makes millions of off it. Why would they ever support a system that may reduce their economic windfall?Quote:
Originally Posted by scoober
If Utah ends up in the Fiesta Bowl, the payoff is right around $10 million, which is split up 9 ways, Utah gets two shares, the other 7 teams in their conference get one share a piece. If the SEC places 2 schools, they split up $20 million.
I wish Utah would be able to join the Pac 10, but it dosn't look like that is going to happen anytime soon. They are the logical choice to join the conference, because they can compete academically with most (not USC, Stanford, Cal, or UCLA in most subjects) of the schools in the conference, and they certainly can compete with them in most sports (3-0 against Pac 10 football teams the last 2 years, with wins against Oregon, Cal, Arizona) the question is if there is another school in the west that can, because if the Pac 10 expands, it would be to 12 games so they could have a conference championship game.
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What? Where does that logic come from? What player wouldn't want to settle the matter on the field instead of letting polls take care of it. Are you telling me last year the USC and LSU players would have said "No, we don't want to play an extra game and decide who's really better, we're kinda tired after all the football we've already played?"
Basically, it comes down to money, and the big conferences don't want to give it up. Scheduling and going into February isn't an issue. Don't forget they basically don't play any games all of December.
[QUOTE=CS]What? Where does that logic come from? What player wouldn't want to settle the matter on the field instead of letting polls take care of it. QUOTE]
A lot of NFL bound players don't want to play more games and risk injury. A lot of other players don't want more games because they would rather spend the second semester either studying (haha good one) or drinking/smoking/partying/whatever then freezing thier asses off on the practice field.
Coaches don't want more games because it means more injuries to deal with, plus it cuts into recruiting time in the second semester, and it cuts into the offseason for them as well. Hell, no one likes working more then they have to.
USC and LSU maybe would have loved a playoff last year, but they are some of the only ones, and in different circumstances, I bet they wouldn't want one either.
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Originally Posted by PaSucks
Well, by that logic, what pro player would want to go to the Super Bowl and what college player would want to play in a bowl game? I mean, then they would have to give up their New Years partying and have to play. Not to mention the extra month a pro guy would have to be playing and working to go to the Super Bowl. Yeah, I'm sure that's sound logic.
most of the college players really want to play all the games they can, but there are those who jump at the chance to go pro as a junior for fear that they will get injured next year and miss out on a chance at the pro's. it does happen. just listen to a few of them speak when they are talking about sticking around for senior year. all most all of them bring up serious injury.
I never said I agree with them, I'm just saying thats the way it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by CS
Yes, players want to play, but they don't want to add on more games then they already play. NFL players look at the schedule at the begining of the season and they know that to win a superbowl they have to play at least 19 games, but no more then 20. They accept that as the rules, but I doubt too many players would support adding games to the schedule. The same is true in college for the players and coaches. They look at the schedule and they know that they won't play more then 13 games, and that by new years at the latest, they will be done. They are not going to be easily coerced into giving up even more of thier own time.
College players already sacrifice so much time for football, why make them give up even more? Yes, many get free educations, which is huge, but because of NCAA regulations, they can't hold jobs during the season, and many of them come from low-income familys, so they don't have much spending money. If the season starts earlier, they have even less of a chance to make a little pocket change.
If the season ends later, academics will suffer. College football is far from perfect, but sometimes things have to be sacrificed for the overall good.
It's not logic or an assumption, its the word straight from the mouth of Big Ten players in a survey as mentioned in an article on NPR a few weeks back.Quote:
Originally Posted by CS
D-I college players are definitely competitors, but all in all, they are still there to go to school (like I said, except the SEC ;) ), because not everyone goes to the NFL.
Last year's situation is certainly a special case. I am not trying to say LSU and USC didn't want to play each other, I'm sure they did. They had only played 13 games, over the span of a regular season. But when faced with starting games in late July and playing through Jan/Feb, it becomes a little different.
I think people need to give Utah a little more credit. They are winning easily against their conference foes, like they should. They won easily against A&M, UNC, and Arizona, like they should. While they wouldn't be favored against another top 10 team, I think they could definitely be competitive. The top teams aren't as good as many people think, except for USC. There is a lot more parity in college football than 10 to 20 years ago. If the Utes run the table, they deserve a BCS bowl bid. I think all college fans deserve to see what happens when an undefeated smaller conference team plays a top team from a bigger conference.
As for the playoff thing, I have the perfect solution. We need a flexible 2 or 4 team playoff. That is all - not some 16 team playoff. Here's why:
1. When only two teams are unbeaten, they deserve to play each other for the title. How quickly we forget how perfect this system worked 2 years ago when Ohio State played Miami. That was a great game and gave us a true national champion. (Unless you didn't like the officiating) Since there won't be an extra title game, make the extra bowl game a BCS game and allow two more teams to make a BCS game.
2. When there are more than two teams that deserve a shot, play one extra game. (or really make one of the BCS games the title game) Give the top 4 teams a shot at the title by playing the normal bowl schedule, and then having an extra game to decide the title. This would work well for seasons like last year, where 3 teams deserved a shot. We would have had a USC/LSU title game one week after the normal bowls. Big time revenue. It's only one extra game. The student/athletes don't miss any important school as most schools are just starting up again.
3. 8 or 16 teams is too many for four main reasons:
a) It would take too long to play and conflict with final exam time in the middle of December.
b) Teams ranked that low don't deserve a shot at the title
c) It would diminish the value of the regular season. College Football has the BEST regular season because everything is on the line every week. If 16 teams get in, a team like USC knows it can lose one or two games and still win the title.
d) The advent of conference championship games has made it more difficult, as teams now play 12 or 13 games already. If teams were limited to 11 games, a playoff might be more feasible.
Now, who decides whether to have the extra playoff game? This is the tricky point. There should be some good guidelines, but it should ultimitely be left up to some committee of bowl guys and NCAA guys. It's not rocket science - when you have two teams that are far ahead of the rest, they play each other. When it's closer and three or four deserve a shot, then have a playoff.
this is off the topic, but does anyone have a copy of the sports illustrated that had the article about all the fellons of the sec? i remember that it had several players from lsu, fsu and the gators. if anyone has a link please post. it's fakin funny.
Excellent game. Many props to Purdue.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsugar
Purdue's D played far better than I expected against Michigan's passing attack, and Orton managed to keep his cool under pressure.
It will be interesting to see how the Big 10(11) shakes out in the next few weeks.