Name them.
Name them.
Squallywood borders :
1. Granite Cheif Wilderness
2. Desolation Wilderness
3. California State Park lands
Winter Park (Vasquez Wildnerness Area)
Do either Jackson or Targhee border Teton NP?
Jackson...damn 10 character minimum
edit - confirmed that Beaver Creek borders the Holy Cross Wilderness.
Snowmass and Highlands come awfully close to bordering the Maroon bells/Snowmass Wilderness, can't tell from my map, though.
Can you name them? Does the ski area border TNP?Quote:
Originally Posted by SherpaStyle
YessssssssssQuote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
Mt. Baker boarders the north cascade national park, as well as the mt. baker wilderness
Mt Hood Meadows, Timberline, Cooper Spur--Mt Hood Wilderness
Mt. BAchelor's x-country borders the Three Sisters Wilderness
Hoodoo had to scale back its night skiing because of light polution in the Mt. Jefferson Wilderness
Kirkwood borders the Mokelumne Wilderness area (in the El Dorado NF) and comes really close to a potential expansion of the Mokelumne wilderness and a proposed new wilderness area near Caples lake.
Also, please note if there's any official policy regarding access into either wilderness or NPs from the ski area for ticketed skiers.
We're getting jerked around by Mount Rainier NP in this regard.
Hurricane ridge in oly np - although less a border than an imbed...
Mt Baker policy: open access, but the ski area can restrict re-entry if you leave the boundaries without proper gear.
The former head of MRNP is a close friend. Shall I tell him to kick some butt?
Ask him what Uwe is thinking. I'll need all the data I can muster by the 18th.Quote:
Originally Posted by grrrr
Buster,
Jackson Hole borders both Grand Teton National Park and Bridger-Teton National Forest. This area is your ace in the hole as far as precedents goes, IMO.
To my knowledge, Grand Targhee only borders the Caribou-Targhee National Forest.
Mt. Bachelor grooms a "Common Corridor" from the parking lot to the Wilderness, Timberline grooms a climbers trail.
Regarding JH and TNP, that's what I'd thought. But there's MRNP admins here that want to ban skiers that use lifts from the park. So the conclusion is to close the entire are boundary, even accesses to USFS not classified as wilderness.
There's a rumor that he wants to ban skiers entirely, supported by constant harassment that we get when we hike for turns out of Sunrise. One of the rangers even told us that Inter Glacier is designated for climbers only!
If they get their way, it will be an ugly precedent that may affect other ski areas.
The Jedediah Smith Wilderness borders both Grand Teton National Park and the national forests I previously mentioned.
If that helps, I dunno.
Check this out, mang -- http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm?fuse=NWPS&sec=map
I think that Mammoth might. Lemme go and check me maps...
Yeah, Mammary is flanked north and south by the Ansel Adams and John Muir Wilderness's respectively and I think it touches Muir.
Hang on...looks like June Mtn. abuts Ansel Adams.
I need to get another map...
I can't find the map I'm looking for...anyone know about Bear Valley, off Hwy4?
If you're at Targhee and looking over the back side towards the Grand, there is a basin between you and GTNP. BUT, if you take the gate for Mary's Nipple, you can follow the more-or-less ridge with a LONG and STEEP climb up Table Mountain. Table is smack on the border of GTNP and Targhee Nat Forest. Also, just to the south of Targhee is the Jeddidiah Smith Wilderness Area, but it does not touch boundaries. Keep in mind if you head out that way, you are going to be touring through DEEP snow. Bring your snorkel. ;)
I *think* Eldora borders the Indian Peaks Wilderness.
Yup, you're right on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
Sunshine ski area, Norquay, and Lake Louise ski area are IN banff national park.
Sundance borders the Timpanogos wilderness area
Brian Head may border Cedar Breaks National Monument.
Bear Valley comes really close to the southern border of Mokelumne Wilderness, but getting to the border would require significant elevation loss below the ski area's lowest lift or a lot of traversing to areas that are more accessible from other trailheads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva
Buster, what is RMNP citing as justification for closing the area to skiers?. My guess is that they're concerned about liability. This is, however the first, case I've heard of where the Federal land managers chose to close off access to skiers rather than the ski area closing the access.
that sounds ugly. but then again, aren't snowboarders banned on the mt. rainier? and i see them all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
Crystal Mountain (washington) borders Mt Rainier National Park.
One of the senior rangers is citing "commercial use" as being banned in the park as well as impacts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Telenater
First, MNRP allows charter busses and guiding companies to use the resources. So that argument rings hollow.
As far as the impacts, there's no documented impacts.
I asked about the liability and they said it wan't an issue.
Anyway, the way it's being phrased is that in order to get the go ahead for the development of more lifts inside the 40 year old SUP boundary, the USFS is forcing the area to close its boundary and enforce the closure. That way, neither the USFS nor MNRP have to administer the requirement. It's foisted off on the ski area. So the public is denied access to public lands in order to benefit the corporation.
Underneath all the kneejerk sophistry and bureaucratic rhetoric, this guy just doesn't like skiers.
You don't TAY? er say?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregbo
Snowbird is one drainage up-canyon from the Lone Peak Wilderness Area.
It's too bad MRNP has such an anti-ski management policy :(
Lee Metcalf Wilderness Area boundary basically passes directly over the summit of Lone Mountain (the peak shared by Big Sky and Moonlight Basin) and i think the boundary may also pass along the main ridge at Yellowstone Club.
To add to Mtnlion's list is Marmot Basin inside a national Park. Of course these are Canadian ....... you know that OTHER place (along with the rest of the world).
I belive Steamboat is in the Rout National Forrest, I belive access is as easy as skiing out the gate at the bottom of the Morningside Lift
Not a national park but Whiteface and Gore sit embedded in the 6 million acres of Adirondack parkland access out there is a mutherfuckin biach, I think they try to descourage it as so many gapers would proably get lost/need search and rescue. Plus in Whiteface's case there's SO much better terrain thats availible elsewhere in the high peaks why wouuld you want to get your ticket pulled trying to go ski south facing slides that don't hold much snow or ski down the auto road
actually, most western resorts are in national forest. hard to think of any in the rockies that arent. the question was wilderness area or national park.Quote:
Originally Posted by supercow
There are several backcountry access gates at Jackson Hole that open into Grand Teton NP. All of Granite Canyon is in GTNP.
Commercial guiding in the park is restricted to permittees. The ski area guides can only take customers south, into the Bridger-Teton NF because they don't have a permit for guiding in GTNP. Lift-served public access to GTNP is OK.
As Nate noted, you can ski from Kirkwood into the Mokelumne Wilderness no questions asked or ski from the Mokelumne Wilderness into to Kirkwood. :D The Carson Pass area has much less in the way of use restrictions in the winter than the summer. Unfortunately, the Forest Service allows cattle grazing in the Mokelumne in the summer, so it would be pretty fucking retarded to argue that skiers are doing more harm than cows. (FYI, cattle grazing damges more acres of public land than any other activity.)
Buster, send me a PM or an email describing the situation at Crystal and MRNP. Mrs. Clark just informed me we have some friends (backcountry skiers) who *might* be able to shed some light on the subject/provide insight.
If the National Park wants to close off a portion its land (dept. of Interior vs dept. of Ag) to the public, it has to go through a lengthy public process to do so. The burden will be on the NPS to justify and enforce any proposed clousure. And NPS doesn't have the authority to adminstratively "close" an area or "tell" the USFS how manage SUPs on adjacent Dept of Ag. land.
If they try to pull that shit, tell them you'll ignore it, sue them, and send a bunch of lawyers to rip their managment and operation plans to shit. The last thing the NPS wants is bunch of lawyers looking into all their jackass shit. They're cutting corners like crazy due to budget cuts, and are hoping they don't get nailed.
Highman,
Schneedorf aka WP on hwy 12 borders the Goat Rocks Wilderness and is part of the Wenatchee National Forest. If you guys get screwed over on the west side, free access out of the dorf come and hike.
fez my bad, I posted before reading Park/Wilderness
Someone needs to correct me on this one, I thought I remember hearing something about Mt rose, but I might be wrong.