I guess lemond showed up at interbike.
Watch the video. Armstrong is squirming like mad. You know he wants to jump over that table and rip that little bitch's head off. :D
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...as-vegas-18728
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I guess lemond showed up at interbike.
Watch the video. Armstrong is squirming like mad. You know he wants to jump over that table and rip that little bitch's head off. :D
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...as-vegas-18728
"I almost wished we have a 4th seat up here"
ha
Great video.
LeMond seems to be proposing that they use VO2 max measurements as the method of determining whether or not Lance dopes over the next 10 months - why didn't they respond to that specific proposal?
Catlin even said put forth a proposal if he was really interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hutch
It's not the message, it's the messenger. :D
I just can't get over "teh hand™" armstrong gives him. Classic.
Thank You
aka
STFU
that douche must love the sound of his own voice
Seriously. He's the most pedantic, vindictive little whiner of any top level US athlete I've ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by pechelman
He's painted himself as this to such a degree that even if he does have a valid point, coming from him it's just more bratty crap.
The fact that there's a guy specifically hired to keep tabs on armstrong's blood means that they obviously know what's coming if he does well next year. They'd be fools to blantantly disregard a valid testing method. It's just that lemond is the wrong guy to be the face of it.
And yes I just like seeing him get the smackdown. I don't give a rat's ass what he has to say any more. Every since he lost subsequent tours he's been pointing fingers.
I really enjoyed that. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
This space reserved for the inevitable Lance doped and I can prove it rant by rideit.
Lemond has fallen so far, the same fire that made him a great competitor has now rooted itself in jealousy and contempt and has destroyed his legacy. Get over yourself and move on with your life, I don't want to listen to you whine any more.
note to lemond: go away
there were several moment their where Lance looked like he was battle to stay awake...
Lemond is like a dog with a bone...
1) Lance is a cheater, but Lance caught cancer.
2) Greg is a cheater, but Greg got shot by his bro-in-law.
3) Each one wants to be America's Cheater.
4) One of them is too old to make a comeback, and that makes him sore and vindictive.
5) Lance is still a cheater, even if he goes through with a comeback.
6) If you're in your 20s or 30s, you love Lance and you'll forgive him anything.
He may be an even bigger douche than LeMond. If that's even possible. Just sayin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatback
As I walked by this long line of people waiting for an autograph I stopped and looked him in the face and said "you should've kept your ** mouth shut and enjoyed your money and memories" walked a few more feet, stopped and turned around just to see the look on his face. I don't think he likes when people speak frankly to him :biggrin:
quoted for truth!Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle crud
To be clear, bitches, I can't stand LeMond.
Whiny ass bitch.
But:
Lance Doped.
heh.
Just sprayin'.
(and Mojo's are Poseur-ass bitch bikes!!!)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hutch
It's ridiculous to suggest that at any time during a stage race someone would want to perform a VO2 max test.
Performing the test during training is one thing, but subjecting a rider to that test during a stage race is completely impractical. It's a lengthy test that would be time cosuming to the athlete and also possibly detrimental to the next days performance.
Never mind the fact that the test would be stopped due to volitional fatigue before a true max was even approached.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
High five !Quote:
Originally Posted by gravitylover
:rolleyes2
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by XtrPickels
Greg Lemond is a retard.
Yeah I was wondering about that. I don't know what kind of exertion a VO2 max or max power out put test demands. So it does sound like it's a completely impractical thing to do WHILE racing. I think lemond was talking about during training though?
Unless they've somehow changed technology since I studied Exercise Phys in the early 90's........yes, it's impractical to have a nose clamp on and breath through a plastic hose.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
http://www.cadencecycling.com/traini...Max-758675.jpg
The VO2 test hasn't changed and would be impossible to administer during a stage race if the subject wanted to remain competitive as it requires you to go to failure.
Lemond is a sad story. Guy was great and one of the great people in the sport but he's really lost it over the last 10 years. Something's just not right there.
I wonder how much his Yellowstone Club investment has lost in value this past year...
It's too bad the fond memories of watching Lemond race are overshadowed by his pathetic plunge into mediocrity.
Heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by InspectorGadget
It would be tolerable if mediocrity were all he'd descended to.
what are people's general feelings regarding lance and doping? I mean with barry bonds you can see a noticeable increase in his body mass with steroids so people pretty much assume you can't do that naturally at his age. are people generally of the belief that lance's body isnt capable of winning that many tours after such a dreadful bout with cancer?
Ask Rideit. He's the expert.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
outside of knowing he rides a bike, the general public has no real idea what greg lemond did, while Armstrong is a household name.
i think that is probably part of his motivation.
i am no exercise physiologist, but from what i have read on the intraweb, it sounds like VO2 max, while mostly dependent on genetics, can be increased to some degree by training, which would lead me to believe that Lemond's argument might be flawed. Anyone???
Reat the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by lph
It's silly and impractical.
i read the thread, while silly and impractical, it also sounds flawed, as both VO2 max and power output seem to be able to be increased by training, which would make lemond's suggestion scientifically flawed. although, it seems he is claiming that it would be the only real way to tell whether someone is doping.
Ask Chris Carmichael.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
Oh, wait...I did.
He ain't talkin'.
http://www.velonews.com/article/8391...-s--99-samples
This is a sweet high-stakes poker game ... "Mr. Armstrong, the play is yours. Call, raise, or fold?"
Which is a comment more on the promotion/"marketing" focus of American society, and not a comment on the relative skills or accomplishments of either LeMond or Armstrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by lph
I said it earlier and I stand by it: if you are in your early 30s or younger, you very much likely don't really know who LeMond is and you think Armstrong is the only great cycling competitor from America.
Lance's legend is bigger than Lance's accomplishments. Why? America's promotion/"marketing" focus, which became super-prevalent in the mid-90s and now is fully dominant. Presently, most Americans think that you have to promote yourself to be successful, and many think that a person isn't any good at anything unless he/she is constantly in the media spotlight.
The same can't be said for LeMond. If anything, that is what irks LeMond -- the legend of Armstrong is bigger and brighter than the legend (what legend?) of LeMond.
LeMond was a better cyclist.
Armstrong is a better doper.
Both had impressive wins in the TdF, wins over powerful challengers.
LeMond's win over Fignon in the final time trial was a whole lot more exciting, to me, than any of Lance's wins. But that may be because I was just starting to get serious about cycling when LeMond was at his peak.
He won thanks to his tri-bars and helmet.:FIREdevilQuote:
Originally Posted by uncle crud
I still remember watching it live on TV. Actualy, many frenchmen were quite happy for LeMond, who was mister nice guy when Fignon appeared as a prick. (In both case rather unfairly)
regardless of whether he DID dope, he'd be an idiot to do it now. There are now 0 expectations regarding his performance in cycling, so he can run clean in his "second" career and that will generally serve as evidence he didn't in his "first" career unless evidence is brought forth. Quite a smart move, actually.
LeMond rode a bike? Shit, I thought he played defenseman for the Red Wings back in the 70's.Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle crud
Don't forget that when LeMond won his tours there were about 1500 people in the entire USA who followed the tour. Barely got TV coverage, no interwebz ... no Armstrong/TDF corporate marketing jaggernaut. It's no wonder he's bitter, but for chrissakes get over it!
IMO Lance doped his ass off but so did all his rivals, so who can say what WOULD have happened . He should STFU about being clean though - who gives a fuck if he's clean now? Clean now does not = clean then.
that was awesome
I followed every single tour since LeMond...until 4 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryFunk
It just became unbearable. In my mind, the Festina deal is the moment the Tour turned into a farce.
According to CyclingNews.com, Dessert Boy says he thinks The Almighty Mr Sheryl Crow can win the Tour de France again --
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Ullrich thinks Armstrong can win Tour again
Jan Ullrich thinks that his former rival Lance Armstrong can win the Tour de France again. but says that he himself has no plans for a come back.
"I think it is possible that he can win again in France," the retired German cyclist told the dpa press agency. "He has a great life and great women, but it doesn't fulfil him. He finds his fulfillment in sport. If he meets the challenge mentally, then his body will also meet it."
The German, who retired from the sport after falling under intense scrutiny over Operación Puerto, said that he would not consider making a return of his own. "This option doesn't exist," said the 34-year-old. "I stopped under different circumstances than Lance. I have experienced too many unfair things."
Ullrich was heavily pursued by the German investigators who sought to prove that he was involved in the scandal. He repeatedly denied being involved, and ultimately settled the case with a fine while escaping any legal or sporting sanctions.
Ullrich also said that he supported Armstrong's decision not to let his doping samples from 1999 be re-tested. "Why should he do something he doesn't have to do? I wouldn't do it either, it is a matter of principle."
Ullrich is appearing in two races in Germany this weekend, the "Charity Bike Cup" on Friday in Weil der Stadt and Steffen Wesemann's farewell race Saturday in Wolmirstadt.