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does aerodynamic accessories count as g.o.t.o.s.?
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Nice. He left a sledge hammer for the meth heads to smash his windows with. +1Quote:
Originally Posted by climberevan
I drive 50 miles a day through Salt Lake and back up and down I15. I see some pretty cool vehicles. And I remember this thread as soon as they are out of picture range. Mainly because I’m trying not to be killed by our fine drivers.
Limited experience there, but:Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
SLC drivers seem super passive-aggressive.
If the speed limit was 65, everyone did 67 right up the ass of whoever was in front of them.
Nobody does 67 in a 65 in SLCQuote:
Originally Posted by pfluffenmeister
80 seems more the Wasatch front norm.
But what makes me wonder is how fast are the people going that get pulled over?
I commute at 80 and I’m passed a lot. Some of these guys have to be in triple digits.
Fair enough.
I was grandpa driving in my van and only saw a couple of serious speeders.
Normally I am a spirited driver.
They're known as Utards up this way. Consistently the worst tourist drivers around...and that includes Texas plates. Some are flat out dangerous but most seem incredibly oblivious to their surroundings, fellow motorists, stop signs, pedestrians, etc. The Utah 'Necks are a special breed. Diesel bros who roll coal on 16" wide tires in a 25mph tourist town loaded with pedestrians and kids. Nine Line or die!Quote:
Originally Posted by pfluffenmeister
No offense to you Utah motorists or anything.
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They do haul ass. And maybe I'm lucky but I don't see much real traffic.
A common thing I'm sorry, but how the fuck does someone go through life, driving a car, all over the goddamn earth, and never uses a turn signal? Blows my mind. Also, people who drive with one foot on the brake so their brake light is always on. How have they not been eliminated from the herd yet?
The turn signal thing is wild to me. I've never understood why it's so fucking hard to use one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
Two footed driving is actually safer and it's how pros are trained to drive. That said, the left is not supposed to actually rest on the brake pedal.
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You’re not wrong, but posting from Idaho is like living in a glass house in this case. I drive Ogden to Driggs a lot and it’s like two different flavors of bad drivers. I think drivers from Idaho Falls think there is a special reward for who can drive the furthest, slowest in the fast lane or something, usually while the right lane is totally empty.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater
And the worst thing about Utah drivers? Assume that anything you do will offend them greatly and lead to them road raging and attempting to kill everyone around them. If they are driving one of the lifted diesel bro type trucks it’s a 10x multiplier.
I have actually noted the slow driver thing in Eastern Idaho, driving from Dubois to Bozone. It's a real phenomenon. We should do a study. Boise, on the other hand, feels like a mini SLC. Fast, furious and aggressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by zion zig zag
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I drive up and down i15 a couple days a week, and guess there is an accident, traffic is moving at 85-90. Nobody goes 65 in a 65.
Since we are bagging on Utah drivers, I had never in 30+ years of driving seen the "stopped with left turn signal on, then make a right turn" move. In the last 7 years I have now seen this at least a half dozen times.
Try driving around The Villages in FloridaQuote:
Originally Posted by MarsB
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Is it even camping if you don't bring your cornhole boards?
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I forgot to take a picture of the absolute GOTOS monstrosity of a side by side that the local powersports center had out front. Fully enclosed cab, 5 seats, RTT, you name it. I'm sure it cost at least $50k
I really don't understand the sxs thing when you get the big expensive ones that cost as much as a real rig, it's like big $ wave runners that cost as much as a boat and have 1/10 the utility.
geo tracker > sxs by alot…
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Do sxs have alternator belts?
(Too soon?)
Trackers, Jimnys, and Samurai are just fancy road legal sxs. And I totally would prefer a Tracker, Samurai, or Jimny.Quote:
Originally Posted by m2711c
YUP!!! Like 1/4 the price and you can actually take them into town if you want. When you look at those SxS's it is INSANE how much they're charging considering their construction. There must be HUDGE markup (from manufacturing to end sales) with those relative to normal vehicles. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they're fun and all. Just no way am I dropping the 20-30 Gs many of them go for these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by m2711c
We have a couple SxS for SAR... one of them is a brand new RZR. They're great for what we're using them for but they're not really that fun IMO. Capable yes, but just loud and boring otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
I'd much rather have a dirt bike or a Jeep or an ATV or basically anything else for motorized fun.
It depends on your use case. A newer rzr is ridiculously capable off road. Short wheel base, very light weight, no blind spots, plenty of grunt, plenty of clearance. They'll go pretty much wherever you point em. In my experience none of the modded jeeps can keep up with them in the rocks and it's really not close as they are purpose built for that stuff. I've never been to the dunes with them but I hear that's a hoot as well.
I've never driven a modern SxS, but from what I've seen, they offer better off-road value per dollar versus a new Jeep (or what have you) precisely because they didn't have to make any engineering compromises for road handling, federal road vehicle standards, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruiser
Comparing a brand new SxS to a Samurai from a decade ago for dollar value doesn't seem apples to apples to me.
That said, I'd buy an old rig for woods use before I'd spring for a SxS, but Maine doesn't generally allow the latter on the road. If I were still in Montana, my opinion on the matter might differ.
Try 3 decades ago. Samurais haven't been produced for the US market since the mid-90s.Quote:
Originally Posted by anotherVTskibum
^^^ fact. mines old enough now for vintage plates, but if did i wouldn’t be able to daily drive it anymore.
Razors are super fun when you are in them, driving them, and especially when they don’t belong to you. My friends have some and the ones I have driven are nuts.
But if you are not riding in one. They are obnoxious. And the people who seem to gravitate to them are generally the members of the general public who I do not really enjoy their company.
They have also fucked up off-roading for the rest of the members of the off-road community who have been around for some time and generally understand and abide by the rules. Huge swaths of trails in the desert are being shut down, mainly because of UTVs being assholes.
Update and emphasis mine, but I think the point you referred to earlier in the paragraph is the biggest part of the issue--those machines are particularly good at enabling people to get lots of places without a whole lot of learning curve, and to add insult to injury, they make it relatively easy to do it at a high rate of speed and with a packed cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
As much as I dislike a lot of behavior associated with the SxS crowd, I'd be willing to bet that a lot of those shutdowns would be happening either way due to more people in the great outdoors and more pressure to shut down motorized access, ironically in part because of newbie non-motorized users who don't understand that motorized access is what allows a nontrivial amount of road and trail mileage to exist. I've done trail work on foot and also with access to my truck, and you can guess which one makes it easier to grab the chainsaw for a blow down.
I'd bet you are mostly wrong. Do you live out West? it's a different SxS scene out here, and a huge amount of roads are closed to these things but open to other motorized users.Quote:
Originally Posted by anotherVTskibum
I lived in Montana for four years but am back in New England now. Where I was in Montana, SxS were allowed on any of the USFS roads and most of the motorized trails; I've tried to continue paying attention to Travel planning and MVUM stuff out there but could easily have missed changes. What I have seen for changes have largely been restrictions applied to all motorized traffic; as one data point, all the alternatives in the CGNF master planning reduced motorized footprint to varying degrees, aside from the "no action" alternative. I realize that there are other places (eg Moab area) that see an entirely different level of off-road usage.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted reborn
Now I'm in Maine, where most of the OHV trails are primarily on private land and a significant number of clubs still believe that dirt bike riders are the root of all evil, but SxS rigs that weigh as much as some road vehicles are fine.
Well, now I realize I'm seeing things through my myopic Utah eye so maybe in some place you are mostly right and others mostly wrong? In Utah there are a ton of open places that allow SxS but recently there have been specific banning of SxS on certain BLM roads, and not always along with banning of all vehicles. Also 5 years ago they banned only them in some National Parks like The Maze, Needles, White Rim / Island in the Sky, and Arches. Not that Arches mattered but the rest does.Quote:
Originally Posted by anotherVTskibum
I can't say I have a firm grasp of every recent 600+ page BLM road assessment and rulings across Utah so maybe in the big picture I'm mostly wrong.
I'm sure there's variance from place to place and agency to agency, although I'd bet on an overall trend towards less motorized access. More people, better tech and info access making backcountry of various types more accessible, and land area not increasing seems pretty consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted reborn
This guy gets an extra point for going beyond the usual with a BBQ on a hitch mounted swingout
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I would use the shit out of it in ski season. I got a pos grill that lives in my truck bed along with my box kitchen.Quote:
Originally Posted by evdog
Solid specimen yesterday parked at a tourist trailhead. Most impressive was the matching padlocks on everything.
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