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No...I haven't seen that, but I've seen this and I like it (I think you might too ;) ):Quote:
Originally Posted by splat
http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=6WiV2fyvRbs
The only difference in the killing that I see is that one side's state sponsored murderers wear IDF uniforms have far more effective weapons and powerful supporters egging them on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rontele
If you check the numbers they're also substantially ahead in the numbers of killings and have hit the ball out of the park in terms of of detention without trial, displacement from lands, attacks across international borders, development of weapons of mass destruction, extra judicial killings, torture etc. etc.
Unfortunatly this is true. I think it's generally a bad idea to shelter people from the consequences of their actions when they have a pattern of making bad choices. Stopping Israel would be doing just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_gyptian
The Palestinian people have lived next to Israel for decades. They know what Israel's military is capable of doing. They know that they can't beat Israel in a military conflict, yet they still elected people who they knew would attack Israel.
I used to have a friend who got into a lot of fights, we were always having to jump in and help him. But then we started realizing that he was picking fights he knew he couldn't win, expecting us to help him. So we stopped helping him. He got his ass kicked several times then suddenly, inexplicably, he stopped getting into fights.
I see the Palestinian situation as very similar to the one my friend was in. It's very simple: if you don't want the get your ass kicked, don't pick fights with people bigger than you. There are better ways of getting what you want. Some people have to learn this lesson the hard way.
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I'm not without compassion for the innocent people who are dieing. It is a tragedy, on both sides. But at this point, there is no way to seperate the terrorist's from the innocent people, mostly children. I heard someone say that the Palestinian/Israeli conflict will only end when the Palestinian people learn to love their children more than they hate Israel. As sad as it is, this seems to be true.
Well yes. Most people here know that I'll troll with remarks just to upset the tightwads here. The terrorists are a few douchebags from a huge religion, making it look bad as a whole. I don't judge on color, so I'm sorry if that remark offended you. Of course I don't hate all muslims or arabs, or any group of people for that matter. It is funny getting a rise out of people though, especially when they get more concerned with name calling than at people wanting to kill them. I find it funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by bklyntrayc
I don't owe you any money was my point. You're argument is that I've inherited a better life directly from slavery. That is untrue, I have earned everything I have, and been given nothing. I'm guessing you'll say I benefit from the infrastructure they helped create, but if that's the case, you can thank me for the western half of Colorado.
I'm not responsible for what those did before I was born.
I've seen what handouts get a group of people. Watching the Native Americans where I grew up blow that money and help contribute to their unemployment did nothing to help them as a race. Capitalism works when you help yourself.
I too will concede, back to the middle east think tank. :D
Frankly I could not believe you just wrote that. You don't see IDF soldiers dressed up as pregnent women to ride school buses and then blowing all the children up. And Hamas/Hezbollah have done this thousands of times.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Now if you will excuse me I'm going to get a new soda so I can be comfortable when you post up that 6 million Jews that were murdered never happened. :rolleyes:
You don't see a difference between deiberate targetting of civilians and killing of terrorists? That's a critical distinction, and to ignore it might explain some of your misperceptions.Quote:
The only difference in the killing that I see is that one side's state sponsored murderers wear IDF uniforms have far more effective weapons and powerful supporters egging them on.
is there no difference between the US fight against the Taliban and 9/11? No difference between OK City bombing and going after those responsible?
[ponders response]Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
not worth it. there is nothing I am going to say that is going to change your mind. You are fairly ignorant, however, Brit. I just hope you don't have a big poster of UBL hanging in your bedroom. :rolleyes:
yeah, the second part of that post you just quoted is basically all bullshit.
No it's just obvious that you have a problem with those of us of Hebrew ancestry. And it's not just you in here. I'm actually very shocked, and horribly dissappointed at the anti-semitism in here. Especially from maggots. Some of you might not come right out and say it but from the tone and wording of several posts it is very obvious how people/you feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Of course the holocaust happened you'll never hear me denying it but it has absolutely nothing to do with this - that you'd use it to attempt such a cheap shot is disgusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ.Brk
Ain't it great to live in America, knowing we'll never do shit like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Since TJ is of Hebrew ancestry, maybe it was the translation from the original text that gave that impression.
BUT FOR the near extinction of the entire jewish population, you wouldn't have a current Israeli state, which feels the need to feverishly protect its own existance in a neighborhood of enemies who want nothing else but its destruction.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
:D :fm: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by splat
But thankfully our system of government has a good deal of checks and balances and thankfully one of those checks is the SUpreme Court. I expect to see Guantanamo shut down in the next year due to the Hamdan case.
I am not attacking your religon and I have no strong feelings about it other than my dislike of all organised religon. It is a great pity that you seem unable to distinguish or judge the acts of a nation state without resorting to name calling and crying that you're being discriminated against.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ.Brk
I strongly agree with this opinion. Anti-semitism is the last thing I would expect from maggotdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ.Brk
Dexter, I'm really confused by you ...
Here's why -- on one hand, you've staunchly opposed the war in Iraq from the get-go. On the other hand, you seem to be defending Israel's response to the kidnapping of a few soldiers.
Yo Asshat. But my spirituality is my business and not yours. You don't see me ever in here spouting off about it. And yes I can distinguish acts most likely a bit better than you since I've served in that part of the world and trained with the IDF a few times in my younger days, and have extended family members that live there.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Do you ever hear me talk about how I'm being discriminated against you racist bigotted Junior Hitler Jerkoff:fuckyou:
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Yeah, when katushas are pumbling the north all year, and finally the after an attack and kidnapping, the IDF decides to do something about it? I would say you fuck with the bull and will get the horns.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBdude
Hezbullah has been wageing a war of attrition up north ever since Israel left South Lebanon in 2000. They finally where made to pay for their constant aggression.
The f16 should be considered a deterent. You lob Katushas, they will respond forcefully.
You mentioned your religon/ancestory - perhaps you shouldn't have if it is so private to you? The time I spent in the area I got a chance to see how the IDF behave on the streets of Israel rather than buddy up with them perhaps that explains our differing views?Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ.Brk
Yet again someone is unable to discuss Israel without branding someone who questions it's behaviour as a bigot, Nazi or Holocaust denier.....Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ.Brk
Two things:
1) Some interesting opinion pieces/analysis about what the fuck is going on. They do not focus on finger pointing and so are probably of not much interest to the participants in this discussion. After all, it doesn't matter what's going on, or why, or what could happen next; the only thing that matters is who can claim the moral high ground.
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsid...on_rising.html
http://headheeb.blogmosis.com/archives/032451.html
2) Who is anti-semitic? I've seen some crazy bullshit on this board, and in this thread; but most of it (like Blurred ranting about "camel-jockeys" or Cono Este, in another thread, referring to "goat farmers") I basically ignore. However, it now seems that Dex, Ron Tele, and TJ all strongly believe that there are a number of anti-semites on the board. Who and why?
I'll admit that Fattwins seems to have a pretty big bias against Israel, PNW Brit too. I'll further admit that they probably have a bunch of facts wrong and/or are not seeing things in proportion. But none of those criticisms point to anti-semitism. Mostly it seems they don't like the STATE OF ISRAEL, they don't say much about the JEWISH PEOPLE. Is criticism of one equal to criticism of another?
C'mon guys... make with the quotes. How many people are you accusing, and on what are you basing your accusations?
Fuck this is getting old, any disagreement with the actions of Isreal is immediately labeled anti-semetic. As you all seem to want to point out, Isreal is a secular state not a Jewish state. This isn't Jews vs the world - it's Isreal vs its neighbors. Both sides have done, and continue doing stupid things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rontele
Both sides are right, and both sides are wrong. Isreali citizens should have the right to live their lives in safety. The Palestinian people deserve a better life, as well. I don't have an answer to the problem, but playing the anti-semite card constantly isn't likely going to help in finding one.
So what solutions have we come up with?
Dude, you live in the States. it is BEHAVIOR, not behaviour. Unless you are Canadian like carl, then that would explain why you are anti-Israeli.
Agreed..Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
I'm sorry, did you say you saw the UDF?Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
They're a bit clandestine, maybe it was the RUC. Or the British Army. When were you in Belfast?
I obviously there is a very stong dysjunction between being anti-Israeli and anti-semetic. The problem is that many of the comments of some of the maggots may be construed one way or the other...Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjabirdman
I fully supported what the US did in Afghanistan to get rid of the Taliban, as i assume you did. So why would I support going after one set of terrorists but not another?Quote:
Dexter, I'm really confused by you ...
Here's why -- on one hand, you've staunchly opposed the war in Iraq from the get-go. On the other hand, you seem to be defending Israel's response to the kidnapping of a few soldiers.
And to present this as a reaction exclusively to the most recent kidnapping (there have been four other attempts recently in the north) is inaccurate. Hezbollah has been waging war for years on northern Israel, but Israel showed its usual restraint until the most recent incident. How would you feel if the US military allowed kidnappings and attacks on its own soldiers to go unanswered?
WTF does being a Canuck have to do with being anti-Isreal?Quote:
Unless you are Canadian like carl, then that would explain why you are anti-Israeli.
ThankyouQuote:
Originally Posted by ninjabirdman
TJ if you can quote me something that I've said that was clearly anti-semitic rather than commenting on the actions of the Nation of Isareal I will apologise to you without reservation.
We obviously have completely opposite views on this argument but your remarks to me are at least as offensive as that which you claim I've made.
Rontele, I think you and a few others are making too much of a black and white distinction. Someone who does not fully support Israel is not nessecarily anti-semitic, anti-Israel, pro-terrorism, etc. There are many shades of gray.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rontele
The point is that while the Palestinian extremists have certainly commited more horrific acts with greater frequency, the Israelis have commited injustices too. I'm not saying you or anyone else on this board are necessarily overlooking that point, but I think a lot of people in the feverent pro-Israel camp do. I think there's a deep hatred on both sides, in some ways deserved, and in other ways not.
Crossing the Green Line is an interesting book written by an outsider who lived within the Israeli controlled West Bank for several years. It basically examines the social and economic problems faced by Palestinians there. I didn't agree with many of the author's conclusions, but it was still an interesting read.
I don't know what posts you, TJ, and others were refering to, but I greatly apologize if my previous post in this thread was seen as offensive or anti-semitic in any way, because it certainly was not intended to be.
In my experiences and in the time I have spent in Canada, I have found Canadians to be FAR more sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinian people and anti-Israeli than what I have experienced stateside.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayHarder
Broad generalizations are obviously not correct, but most people on the far far left (which I think Canada has more of) tend to side with the Palestinians rather than the Israelis.
YOu just dont get it, do you. It is not just about the kidnapping and cross border raides. It is the fact that no matter what Israel does to placate the international community (in this case unilaterally withdrawing from Lebanon with the hope that Syria, Iran and the Lebanese govt would control Hezbullah) they still attack Israel Proper. Why is this?Quote:
Originally Posted by 13
The kidnapping is part of a larger picture that Israel can not ignore. They needed to respond and respond in force, otherwise their lack of actions would be interpreted as weakness.
One could argue their withdrawl from Lebanon was interpreted as a sign of weakness and the Palestinians took adavantage of it and started the second intifada.
The Hezbollah was actually formed when Israel went across the border to squeeze the PLO out, who was using the border to attack. As you would say Dex, "stop lying". :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki
Does this comment make me an anti-semite? ;)
All I have to do is read every post of yours in this thread. You obvious have a problem with Jews. Not just the country of Israel, but you have a problem with anybody that is Jewish IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
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Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
Hitler Youth.
This just in: Palestinians are Semites too. So are the Lebanese.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semite
BTW - Blacks, Asians, and Whites hating each other for their physical attributes is racism. Judaism is a Religion, ergo outside the physical difference discussion. The whole curly hair/big nose thing used to be called "Roman."
I assure you that you are quite wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ.Brk
Again I'd invite you quote just one single clearly anti-semitic rather than anti israeli statement I have made.
A friend of mine has relatives in Israel who are hard-core extreme settlers. She visited them and the toast at the dinner table was, "To when every Paelstinian is below the ground!" or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jwelch
Then she went to bed, listening to bottles and rocks thrown by Palestinian children, who wished her dead, hit the walls of the compound.