Wildfire 2023

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Originally Posted by Cono Este

Thanks, but some of these guys are beyond helping. Mostly criminals now.

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Fuck off you brain wormed motherfucker.

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Originally Posted by muted reborn

And that politicians/developers better rebuild for them and not just cut them out put up hotels and more mansions. Valid points I've read in the NYT or the Washington Post - can't remember.

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Last I checked, it's primarily property owners who decide what will be built. They employ the developers. Politicians have some control via zoning laws, but I'll be surprised if the electorate pushes for more zoning after a disaster. The locals likely want less so they can rebuild their unpermitted properties. My guess is the tourist trap development that was there was fairly profitable and will mostly be rebuilt in some form. If fire resistance becomes a priority, the cheap construction loved by locals will be rare. Also, it's hard not to notice the bayside resort property is one of the few still standing. Tough time to be a politician - damned no matter what you do.

In other fire news, California had lightning last night. Not expecting strong north winds so probably nothing happens.

Ah, I forgot who that cono dude was.

Carry on, my bad.

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Originally Posted by LongShortLong

Last I checked, it's primarily property owners who decide what will be built.

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Last I checked, all of us here know this too. We can debate semantics or talk about locals being pushed out due to old houses becoming reborn as new expensive rentals, or just being replaced by something more profitable for the owners/developers - if zoning allows them. I think locals who own houses may just sell the property and never rebuild, and I doubt the new owners will put up shacks for locals to live in. Anyways, I can't imagine losing everything you own as a renter/owner and not being able to afford to move back or rebuild, whatever the case may be. Politicians will be blamed for not controlling capitalism, damned no matter what they do as you said.

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Originally Posted by Cono Este

Thanks, but some of these guys are beyond helping. Mostly criminals now.

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I have no idea what you are talking about, maybe I should have ignored this thread today.

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Originally Posted by muted reborn

I have no idea what you are talking about, maybe I should have ignored this thread today.

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CE posts repeatedly in poliass that we're all traitors and criminals because foxnews tells him so (he denies watching foxnews but gets his "news" somewhere similar).

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Originally Posted by Danno

CE posts repeatedly in poliass that we're all traitors and criminals because foxnews tells him so (he denies watching foxnews but gets his "news" somewhere similar).

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Newsmax FTW!!

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Cono actually believes that most mags that post in poliass are going to be found guilty of treason and go to jail (literally)

I’m not making this up. Hence his comment on here about all the “criminals”.

Best to treat him like the lunatic shouting on the subway - no eye contact, no sudden moves, stay out of his reach.

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Originally Posted by bennymac

Cono actually believes that most mags that post in poliass are going to be found guilty of treason and go to jail (literally)

I’m not making this up. Hence his comment on here about all the “criminals”.

Best to treat him like the lunatic shouting on the subway - no eye contact, no sudden moves, stay out of his reach.

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That's not really fair to subway lunatics.

:D

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Originally Posted by LHutz Esq

I was doing structural protection a couple years ago when I met my first "conductive energy weapon" proponent.

He said it was a plan to de-populate rural areas as rural folks were a threat to government/corporate control of global food supply.

I was on duty, but really wanted to ask, if that were true - why did forest fires take out suburbs, cities (within a few years of Ft Mac.), and towns. Not a lot of Ag going on in Ft. Mac.

He believed that he had seen the lightning strike - and the colour was green when "real lightning" is blue.

He also didn't seem to notice that we were trying to protect his and his neighbour's houses and were being paid by the government that apparently wanted to burn him out.

It is a weird diplomacy that has to go on out there.

I have more respect, I think, for the people that say get lost we will take care of ourselves than these folks that say the government is out to get us, while begging for (or even just accepting) our help.

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Sounds like a call out to Last Chance in the Santa Cruz mountains. People live up there because they need to live up there.

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Originally Posted by bennymac

Cono actually believes that most mags that post in poliass are going to be found guilty of treason and go to jail (literally)

I’m not making this up. Hence his comment on here about all the “criminals”.

Best to treat him like the lunatic shouting on the subway - no eye contact, no sudden moves, stay out of his reach.

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Cono, is this true? Have you become bat-shit crazy?

He turned me into a Newt.

He's a witch.

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Originally Posted by frorider

Yeah it’s heartbreaking.

A friend over there involved in the volunteer world recommended this for donations: https://www.hawaiicommunityfoundation.org/maui-strong

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Thanks for posting this, bumping this link again.

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Originally Posted by muted reborn

Last I checked, all of us here know this too. We can debate semantics or talk about locals being pushed out due to old houses becoming reborn as new expensive rentals, or just being replaced by something more profitable for the owners/developers - if zoning allows them. I think locals who own houses may just sell the property and never rebuild, and I doubt the new owners will put up shacks for locals to live in. Anyways, I can't imagine losing everything you own as a renter/owner and not being able to afford to move back or rebuild, whatever the case may be. Politicians will be blamed for not controlling capitalism, damned no matter what they do as you said.

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Maybe the Hawaiians will come up with something. The governor and other politicians at the news conferences seem to be aware of how people live there and what the needs may be. There's hope they can find a good solution. The media vultures of course showed no interest in exploring the problems or helping to find solutions. Too busy exploiting the tragedy for clicks and outrage. Hopefully the locals can see past the outrage for long enough to come together, learn the issues, and influence the solutions.

Vibes to the people of Lahaina - Vibes doesn't really cut it for this.
The TV is now saying there will be Hundreds dead? Hundreds of people who burned to death. You would think this can't happen in any American town. With an ocean a short distance from everyone.,

God bless.

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Originally Posted by LongShortLong

Maybe the Hawaiians will come up with something. The governor and other politicians at the news conferences seem to be aware of how people live there and what the needs may be. There's hope they can find a good solution. The media vultures of course showed no interest in exploring the problems or helping to find solutions. Too busy exploiting the tragedy for clicks and outrage. Hopefully the locals can see past the outrage for long enough to come together, learn the issues, and influence the solutions.

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Well put.

I’m in Maui right now. My wife & I are noobs — we’ve owned a home here for two years but only lived here full time since March — but here’s my viewpoint on what it’s like here.

There is a lot of grief. Many people have directly experienced huge loss, and almost everyone at least feels it second hand.

There is fear. Everyone expects more awful news to come.

The grass roots are getting stuff done. It’s really amazing. It’s mostly self-organized, and it’s not efficient, but it’s effective. Hundreds of people (not just Oprah!) just show up at the shelter and start helping. An ad-hoc boat convoy from Maalea to the Kahana boat ramp was the primary conduit for critically needed goods while the roads into West Maui were still closed.

There’s anger, and it’s probably going to grow, but right now I don’t think anger is even close to taking over. People are too busy getting shit done.

If you want to give, this google sheet is a good place to start.

^thanks for posting that

PNW looking smoky this morning. Been hot and dry.

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^^^Yup AQI in my hood is down to ~375 right now, from 500 yesterday.
Bedrock and Lookout fires going strong - 30k acres burned. Sinus infections becoming an ongoing Summer thing.

22 new fires on the Klamath NF yesterday. And the Head fire there is taking off in super-rugged country.

Hoping the continual lightning forecast for CA do not cause larger starts. This is the anniversary of the 3rd anniversary of the devastating fires that rocked a lot of coastal NorCal.

Re: Lahaina: https://www.constructiondive.com/new...ruction%20Dive

Yellowknife NWT is now being evacuated.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...t-16-1.6938756

Double Post.

Smart move, I didn't realize there were 22000 people in Yellow knife

I think there is almost 75% of NWT residents on evac orders and something over 200 forest up there. It is a crazy,y fire year up there. Not nearly as talked about as Hawaii but just as disructive to a similar mostly indigenous population.

Just to clarify, not the level of death in NWT but significant loss of homes and entire towns.

And only one real highway outta Yellowknife - and it passes through communities that have already been evacuated south - what a clusterfuck for that whole Territory

I’m thinking that the debris removal and rebuilding, especially the re-establishment of underground infrastructure, in Lahaina could essentially become one large archaeological dig, which can take awhile. Is it going to be similar with those communities that will need to rebuild in NWT? I know regulations are different.

Nothing sizeable/comparable to Lahaina has burned in the NWT - Maui is looking at $6 billion in damage and 1,000 people missing - I suspect they are evacuating NWT out of an abundance of caution since their communities are all a far distance apart and with limited highway options out.

There’s only two roads south to get out of the territory and only one of them is a paved highway - and there’s no mountains around anywhere just lakes and rivers and then endless forest to the horizon in every direction for hundreds if not a thousand miles.

I think $6B is low.

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

22 new fires on the Klamath NF yesterday. And the Head fire there is taking off in super-rugged country.

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Bunch of firefighters hoping they get sent anywhere but Happy Camp right now.

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Originally Posted by oldnew_guy

Bunch of firefighters hoping they get sent anywhere but Happy Camp right now.

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Heh. Memories of ‘87.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

I’m thinking that the debris removal and rebuilding, especially the re-establishment of underground infrastructure, in Lahaina could essentially become one large archaeological dig, which can take awhile. Is it going to be similar with those communities that will need to rebuild in NWT? I know regulations are different.

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As Benny said, not likely in NWT, but there are always local sites that could be impacted by rebuilding. Indigenous in the area followed the caribou extensively, so arch sites would be scattered where topography dictated caribou movement, mostly rivers which move and flood over time.

Not the same situation in the rebuilding of Lytton. That was a permanent indigenous settlement, and both fed and prov heritage laws will dictate the pace of remediation and rebuilding. I think the actual groundwork in Lytton is just starting, after over 2yrs.

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Originally Posted by oldnew_guy

Bunch of firefighters hoping they get sent anywhere but Happy Camp right now.

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There’s also about 1000 acres in Smith River area burning now too. Highway 199 closed in places.
And another one just west of Hoopa reservation.
All in some really rugged country.

Fun fact - there’s a section in that area that’s less than 640 acres. Apparently much of the first survey of that area was done from a bar.

It must be quite the operation to evacuate Yellowknife’s hospital, long term care facilities, jail inmates etc. It’s a 12 hour drive to the closest city Grand Prarie or a 2 hour flight to Edmonton. It’s not like the hospitals/LTC facilities and jails in those places are going to have lots of empty beds sitting unused either.

apparently all the hotels/ motels in GP or anywhere up there are already full of people who evacuated so duno where they are gona put em

Last report on CBC said that Leduc has opened a receiving centre. Close to the airport, so maybe more for those being flown in perhaps? Military is helping as well, so perhaps they will be in charge of moving the incarcerated folk. But ya, massive logistics in moving that many people so far away in such a short time.

Dang, 20,000 to be evac'd from Yellowknife. I thought I also heard a stat something like 2/3 of Northwest Territory being displaced. Jebus.