Which p-car year/models have you driven stfu? I wanted a 964 (81 Targa) but appreciation killed that idea.
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Which p-car year/models have you driven stfu? I wanted a 964 (81 Targa) but appreciation killed that idea.
'81 Targa would have been a 3.2. The 964 is 89-93.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bromontana
I've driven a 993 C2 (briefly owned one), a 964 C2 and C4, a 3.2 ('84 or so?), a 968, a 944 Turbo, a 928 (auto) and a 914. Have never driven a water cooled 911 - I'm sure they're nice. But I really dislike the way the 996 looks, and while I would consider a 997, they're more money than I want to spend. My 964 C4 plan was hatched when they were $25k cars. Figured I'd buy one, and have an easy $20-30K laying around for maintenance. Buying an out of warranty Porsche for my whole sports car bankroll seems like a pretty dumb idea - and there's no doubt I'll break it up here. I can just see the look on my wife's face after I write the check for $55K and show up the next month with a $7500 repair bill. I like Porsches, but I like getting laid too.
I'm warming to this design... But $65K is a deal breaker on a 2011 car.
https://www.cstatic-images.com/super...26ddba16fe.jpg
Something like this might be interesting - with the CarMax warranty...
https://img2.carmax.com/img/vehicles...0b6a26/800.jpg
https://www.carmax.com/cars/audi/s5/2012/13412637
Thanks for the info. Anyone else pick up on the description that says 'new factory clutch' which might suggest he had an IMS failure, fixed it, and he's just not willing to find out how long until the next one?
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This was a pretty good read on the issues you guys were mentioning.
https://www.oregonpca.org/resources/...he-full-story/
IMS failure results in a new engine for around 20k.
Get a PPI for 60-100 bucks at a local Porsche dealer.
BD - what are your thoughts on the S5?
If the IMS failed the engine wouldn't run. It is literally ball bearings that get released into the cylinders & inside of the engine. That type of servicing is very normal for the car; lots of owners cycle out IMS/clutch/flywheel as needed throughout ownership. For that car my concerns would be # of miles on the track + maintenance records. An ECU check will tell you how many Type 1 and 2 ignitions there are (1 = redlines, 2 = overrevs) - that will tell you exactly what the history is. It's normal for people buying Porsches to get a pre-purchase inpsection (PPI). After a PPI you'll be in a better position to gauge the condition of the car.
STFU - It may not come in to play this purchase but keep in mind the 9A1 motor in the 997.2 is by all accounts a classic, bulletproof engine. Porsche sold relatively few 997.2s and with the better reliability and performance of the 997.2 it should be an enthusiast magnet for decades to come. Personal budgets aside the 997.2 in 4S form will hold substantial value for decades to come. The same may or may not be true for the Golf R (or my 996 for that matter).
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One of the best looking cars, IMO. V8 is the same as the V8 from the R8.Quote:
Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5316/6...24dbbdba_b.jpg
Buy from Carmax and get the warranty. https://www.carmax.com/cars/audi/s5/2010/12707875
Already requested they send this one from Houston:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beer Drinker
https://www.carmax.com/cars/audi/s5/2012/13412637
Sweet looking ride. What's your depreciation forecast on that? Has the SC V6 proven to be as much of a letdown as the 4.2 fanbois thought it would be?
I don't see it depreciating much over 2-3 years of ownership.
Luxurious. I would only buy a V8 one. Manual. I bet Iceman likes it.
Get the warranty.
The warranty is the only way I'd even consider it. 5 years up to 100K on the ODO, with a $150 deductible is $3600. Total no brainer. Still cheaper than the Golf R. Faster I'm sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by Beer Drinker
The S5 is in route to Denver. We'll see...
Edit: I think I'm going to end up buying the Golf R this week and bringing it back to CO. Then in 2 weeks when the S5 arrives in Denver, I'll consider selling the R and buying that.
Deal's done. Headed to KC to pick up the Golf on Thursday. Expecting the S5 next Friday. Would be surprised if I don't pick up at least $8k by the the time it's all said and done. Even the wife and kid are psyched for the S5.
Edit to add - many thanks for everyone's help. It's been a real process, but I feel good about the S5. A good mix of luxury, performance, and "special", without a ton of risk. For a.long time, I've been struggling to imagine where this would end up. It's not a 964, but I don't think I'll be disappointed. Will revisit in a while... I appreciate all the responses.
Can I have that for the boxster?
https://espngrantland.files.wordpres...h_rounders.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by guroo270
I just want a bj from Christy Turlington
That chick is the ultimate two-face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bromontana
As in, two blow jobs?Quote:
Originally Posted by huckbucket
at the same time
That's what I'd do with a million dollars..
That, and buy a '92 964 C4 with 25k miles.
buy two of these and a 993 C4. Park the 2 and drive the 993.
http://static.highsnobiety.com/wp-co...1-targa-00.jpg
Congratulations. That sounds like a good plan.
I am so pissed I didn't buy a couple 993s 4 years ago.
I don't need to hear how I fucked up... What I need from you is money.Quote:
Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw
Pay that myan hees myuni.
this, 993 has been and will always be my dream car. had a line on a turbo 11 years ago and could not put the $$$ together at the time, sighQuote:
Originally Posted by Beer Drinker
It's hard to understand how Porsche managed to drift so far away from this... What a pretty car...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bromontana
They have different clientele now; 718 line is the pure driving experience now from this outsider's persepctive.
Good stuff on that S5- im a fan of the layout. At the track earlier this summer a coworker took his tuned S4 and his instructor's S5 apparently is even faster. Real track monsters in addition to being beautiful, comfortable rides. Gl with it.
While I agree with the statement, it's ironic. I wish they'd just continue to produce classics and sell them cheaper and cheaper. If I could pick up a Type R Integra, 95 M3, or just a classic 911 like that I definitely would.Quote:
Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw
Yeah, I don't know...
And it's not really about the driving characteristics of the cars. The old 2.7s and 3.2s were strange handling cars. The 930 Turbo Widow's Club could rent out Madison Square Garden. I'd be astounded if the Golf I'm going to pick up on Friday isn't faster than the 964 I can't afford, as would be any car in the post 964 Porsche lineup. The 996 is slower, but only after the ims failure!
But Porsche has gone through a period (a long one now) of having lost the style plot. Even the 718, which is not a bad looking car, manages to both obviously attempt conjure up memories of the old 718, and also somehow fail in doing so. The 991 is better, but even there the modern interiors are consistently uninspiring. Somewhere along the line Porsche forgot that the success is in the basics, and then delivering them as sculptures from which every last grain of unnecessary sand has been removed. Because wood trimmed steering wheels, and a million buttons on the dashboard don't make a great sports car. Ferdie stumbled upon what has proven to be the world's most durably iconic vehicle shape. His descendants should stay the fuck out of the way and let the magic do its thing. Keep designing better engines, better transmissions, add a cock sucking mother fucking radiator if you have to. Keep engineering better cars... But stop fucking around with the packaging already.
Hey, sorry... got a little wound up there. Thanks... I'll post some pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bromontana
Beautiful. What yr is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bromontana
BTW nice 930 BD. Dream car.
80 to late 70's Targa.
It's the first targa done by Singer. 964 chassis & original engine case. New body in carbon fiber, newly fabricated nickel roll bar to look like the old 1960s targas. 4.0L n/a flat six putting out 390bhp on a ~2700lb car. Guessing it was well above the 370k starting point being the first commissioned targa restoration. If I'm not mistaken another 4.0 model ran the nürburgring about the same as a current R8.
good writeup here:
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/24/e...red-by-singer/
http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims...11-targa-1.jpg
That's the magic Singer is bringing to the table. Classic designs brought technologically up to date. Why Singer can make a 911 that is largely a new 911, but one that still looks like a classic 911, but Porsche cannot, is beyond me.
What do you think the sales figures would be if Porsche made a car similar to the Singer 911 without the insane attention to detail and with the basic innards of a 991, and called the next cars the Porsche 911 3.8 and 4.0. Starting price on a base Carrera of maybe $74,995.00.
30+k cars per year? Could they possibly meet demand?
Singers require 4,000 man hours per vehicle. Could be the hangup. That and regulations.
That's true, but the same way that the wood trimmed steering wheel on a 996 doesn't make a great sports car, neither does the door lock stem that's been machined from a single piece of platinum, mined from a passing asteroid. I'd put real money down that there's a $75k car in there if you can produce reasonable volume like VWG can, and you're not stuck reclaiming vehicles currently selling for 3x their actual value. If it were possible for a startup to not struggle with production efficiency and volume, I'd write a $500k check TODAY to back them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bromontana
That Singer Targa is pure sex on wheels.
Porsche is also one of the most profitable car companies currently, and almost went out of business making purists sport cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw
The Boxster saved Porsche, and only in the last 5 years, have people really become retarded over classic 911s. Not sure how long Singer has been in business.
Cayenne and Macan make up 70% of Porsche sales. Porsche is going to be focusing on SUVs, CUVs, and Sedans. VW continues to screw the pooch, so Audi and Porsche are the producers now.
I would look for a mid size sedan next.
The classics are great an all, but you can't drive them. Singers are badass too, but that is the last car I would spend 400k+ on.
Some new 911 love.
http://www.tagmotorsports.com/Forums...sche-991_2.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2871/1...29f16542_b.jpg
For 85-90K there is nothing better than a 997 Turbo S. This is a 918 Edition, but same same. I actually like the 997 size compared to the 991.
http://ag-spots-2012.o.auroraobjects...12185406_4.jpg
^ No argument there. Like every other company, Porsche is a better car manufacturer when they're profitable. They should make fucking helicopters and refrigerators if they make money doing so.
The 911 is a specific car. Why does the 911 have to become a different car so the can sell mid size sedans? They could even keep making the 991... They could call it... hmm... what could they call the 991 that would distinguish it from a 911? Get back to me if anything comes to mind... lol.
Back to my original.question, how many <$100k 911 Carrera 3.8's do you think Porsche would sell in the 2017 MY if they looked like this:
http://singervehicledesign.com/wp-co...11-540x320.jpg
?
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I totally get what you are saying, but they would never do that.
It is taking the 911 backwards, which is against the Porsche philosophy of constant improvement, and it would kill already bad Cayman sales.
I could see a Porsche Classic division showing up, where donor cars (like Singer), are custom built for 918 customers and such.
I'm inclined to disagree... Porsche has made a lot of money making half assed 911 variants and hasn't really figured out what the market holds for actual "constant improvement" any of the other market spaces. Even the fucking SUV's were, and to some degree still are, designed to look like 911 derivatives. I'd argue that the ONLY thing they've done, shy of the 918, is wring the shit out of their single independently marketable vehicle. Between that and the incredibly obvious platform sharing (I'm totally buying that Bentley Tuareg - what an awesome idea), they're not constantly improving in the style space, they're constantly getting by on minimum effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beer Drinker
IMO, Porsche should find a fresh design for these awesome cars they're making, and bring the 911 back to it's traditional design. Make as many other cars as you want, but make them good enough to stand on their own. The market for the real 911 is undeniable... Has porsche really fallen so far as to deny their customers the car they so obviously want so they can keep selling Caymans?
They also did this.
http://www.rarecars.co/wp-content/up...Carrera-GT.jpg
The half assed 911s were the 996s. The 997 and onward, are some of the most capable sports cars on the market, for the money.
The 991.2 Turbo S is the most capable performance car for 200k.
Regardless, 911, Boxster, Cayman take a backseat to Cayenne and Macan (the best selling CUV on the market). Now that the Panamera's looks match the capability, I imagine those sales will shoot up.