Skied the rustler 10 and 11 today. The 11 is sweet, good successor to the gunsmoke but the 10 unreal. One of the best skis I have ever been on. Rails turns like a fucking Kastle and plowes through bumps and crud like my gunsmokes. sick sick sick ski
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Skied the rustler 10 and 11 today. The 11 is sweet, good successor to the gunsmoke but the 10 unreal. One of the best skis I have ever been on. Rails turns like a fucking Kastle and plowes through bumps and crud like my gunsmokes. sick sick sick ski
This is not what I wanted to hear Jay P... I love my 193 Gunsmokes and have been hearing stellar things about the Rustler series... My buddy got to demo the 10 and his feedback was identical to yours... Do you know if the waist is 102 for the 188...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay P
104Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
Nice. Super excited about these skis. My only concern is that blizzard made them too light. I heard the 11 in 180cm only weighs 1850g? Seems more like a touring weight class. For the majority of resort conditions, weight is your friend for smoothing out bad snow. Im worried at these weights (assuming I have them correct?), the Rustlers will be easily deflected in anything less than light fluffy. Thoughts?
Thanks Jay... I am def going to have to give the Rustler 10 a go...!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay P
Tok me 2-3 months to sell a slightly used pair for $125 here in Utah, where there are plenty of rippers.Quote:
Originally Posted by cderose
I don't think they would sell at all.
Pretty sure I'm who bought them from you muted, I'm lovin' em.
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Spur, Rustler 11 and Rustler 10
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Bodacious, Cochise, Bonafide and Brahma
Might just be my "shiny new things" syndrome, but those Spurs look super cool.
I'm sure this has been covered already, but what is the difference between the Rustler line and the similarly waisted "regular" ski (i.e. Bonafide v Rustler10 and Cochise v Rustler11)?
The 10 is probably going to be new non-pow touring ski. What's the rock/camber profile like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay P
Have you skied the zg95? It's not for everyone but I find it amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andyski
I really like the look of the new rustler series and hope to get quite a bit of time on them. My paint it black heart on the other hand needs an all black Bodacious and spur to go with my black magic Cochise.
Is that black bodacious the OG w/ an evil graphic?
YupQuote:
Originally Posted by NWFlow
Yes and it's not my bag. Too stiff for the weight, even when heavily detuned. Selling mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
The R10 looks like the balance of weight and stability I'm looking for, assuming it doesn't have a shit ton of camber
Oh shit. I am getting excited. Bod in 196 again. Yay. Rustler 112 looks pretty cool too.
True that the Cochise is unchanged?Quote:
Originally Posted by roQer
Did the Latigo survive?
Latino is gone... there will be enough in the market for years to come. Hardly anyone bought that ski.
Cochise comes back unchanged
Here's a pic of all the different constructions.
Carbon Flipcore WSD
Found in Women's Traditional
- Black Pearl 98, 88, 78
- Men's Brahma CA is similar to this
+ 1lb lighter per ski than regular Brahma
- Unidirectional Carbon, Poplar Beach
Carbon Flipcore
- Bidirectional Carbon, metal laminate
- Brahma, Bonafide, Cochise
- same construction as last few years
- Brahma and Bonafide just get new shapes
2m more sidecut. Old Bonafide 180 was 20, new is 18. Rocker is maybe 3-5cm less down the length of the ski but tip gets more curvature to help it plane better, less tip dive. Also now a layer of rubber between the two top sheets of metal under foot. Some say they feel more supple now?? Allows the metal to sheer better. Just a little more modern versions of old skis. Molds were dated.
Zero G
- Unidirectional Carbon Frame
- Paulownia Core
- ZG 95, 85
- 108 is slightly different but not much
Carbon Flipcore DRT
- New Spur, Rustler 10/11, Sheeva 10/11
- Uni Carbon tip and tail
- metal laminate under foot and fore body
- ISO, Paulownia, balsa Poplar, Beach core
- Carbon Stringers
DRT
The Uni manages the longitudinal flex but lets the tip and tail twist for easy release in soft snow without the flap. Usually softer tips and tails equals soft in both directions. The metal piece varies by width and by size. In Spur it's shortest, R10 it's the longest.
Both R10 and R11 are around 1850g in size 180. Not a lot of camber, maybe 2mm per ski? Not sure. More rocker than a Cochise but not as much as old Gunsmoke. I'll take a pic later.
Rustler 10
164,172,180,188 (cross fingers for 192)
188 is 104mm under foot, all others are 102
17m radius in 180 I think
Rustler 11
164,172,180,188,192
192 is 116, 188 is 114, 180 and down is 112
192 is stiffest, 188 slightly softer, and down
19m radius in 180 ( gotta double check)
Spur
192 (for now....)
26m radius outside edge, 30m radius inside
50% more sidewall under foot
2250g
Flat under foot, long low rocker
Hope that helps
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No fiberglass in the flipcore carbons?
Doesn't that work in firm snow too?Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
Trump got rid of those too, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
Those orange cochises look mmm
Why so light on the Rustlers? Seems more like a touring or 50/50 ski weight. Wont they be easily deflected in bad snow resort conditions?
Is the new (OG) black bodacious going back to the 2013/14 flat camber ski or the 2014/15 slightly cambered version?
thanks!
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Originally Posted by wasatchback
Thanks! Lots of really good information there. Cool looking lineup. Very interested to see how the Rustler skis at that weight!Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
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Originally Posted by Lindahl
Glass in everyone of the skis.
Yup it works on any snow but since the carbon is only found in rockered sections it has more of an affect on the skis performance in soft snow.
That's what the testers always gravitated towards. They'd make the same ski in four or five different constructions and weights and the lighter skis were the ones that won out.Quote:
Originally Posted by mda13c
Too it creates more of a differentiation in the lineup. Heavier more traditional skis on one side and lighter, more playful skis on the other end.
This is the very first Bodacious construction. Even has the split color sidewalls we did the first year. Same flex, same materials, same everything as year 1.
My green-yellow Bode is at best flat and not cambered at all. It doesn't certainly ski cambered. But this is the 14/15 version, right? Maybe some production bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by mda13c
Interesting. Thanks for the explanation. I understand your point about differentiation in the lineup. To that, would you happen to have the weight of the new Bonafides? 180cm perhaps? Thanks! Hoping they didnt get lightened up...
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Originally Posted by wasatchback
I haven't weighed one but I believe they're about the same as they have been the last few years. No real dramatic changes in construction in the new Brahma/Bonafide.Quote:
Originally Posted by mda13c
Any changes to the Cochise and zero G boot lines next season? I haven't seen much from SIA or OR.
ZeroG pro and a new 115 Pro Women's will be in Grilamid for next year. Those are the only changes.
Why the change?Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
On the new/old Bodacious are they going to use the softer base material that they used before or are they going to use the harder stuff they use now?Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
So they work equally well on either foot?Quote:
Originally Posted by rob stokes
Upside down and backwards. New New flipcore. You flip the ski around for super powers on the FWT.
That proves the gimmick in my eyes, and the lack of ski knowledge of their marketing guys and girls.
Or they have complete dumbasses on their team...Quote:
Originally Posted by rob stokes
Or that all this side cut, rocker, camber, early rise shit is nonsense, and we all need to quit over thinking about the pointless numbers and go skiing.
Then again I do really like my Shiros in pow more then my Gunsmokes and Bonafides. Hum...
Well, surely that's a given.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
The way they ski-they can't be all that bright!
Maybe the ski works in certain conditions, i.e. variable, better the other way round. The fact that Jacklyn Paaso skis a 124 mm waisted 192 cm long Spur in a FWT comp speaks absolutely for the ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
I am a believer in that style of ski... I just purchased Praxis's new Q designed by Tabke which he won this event on... The Q is has similar attributes and would love to hop on the Spur... Especially now that it comes in a 190+...Quote:
Originally Posted by roQer
I own a pair of 193 Gunsmokes and other than the extremely soft base I absolutely love that ski... Fun as hell and you can still step on it... The only ski I am eyeing and am stoked to try is the Rustler 10... That ski sounds absolutely killer and I am digging the dims...
Regardless, that pic still cracks me up...