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East Coast Lhasas...
http://stk.tetongravity.com/forums/a...0&d=1331435105
My stoke from today at Baker.. skiing with my 6 yr old...
http://photos.imageevent.com/banos/m...e/P1030614.JPG
Searching came up with zilch. What's the current mount line at on the newest 186 lhasas?
Mine were marked... If nothing else.. PM Pat (Splat)
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Originally Posted by bern43
Mine are marked too, but I always like to double check. Apparently my searching skills aren't as terrible as I thought. 1040mm seems to be the line on the 186s.
Splat, I just want to tell you what a great time I had on my 196 Lhasa Pows Sunday and Monday at Mammoth. First time I had them out this season and I just love those skis in da pow. Just a quick pic with some Lhasa Pow love. Poles were 4 feet deep in the soft stuff:biggrin:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...epm/Lhasas.jpg
Cool, liv2ski. I spent the day on the 191 Fats after skiing what little I have this season mostly on the 187s. I was feeling them out for the first couple runs, then realized I need to turn the volume up and ride those bitches hard like they should be and had the time of my life and kind of a personal comeback on them yesterday in the same place I blew my knee out 46 months ago.
powder11 at Whistler on the 196...
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...01596136_n.jpg
darn, I now also want a pair of lhasas, they look and sound incredible, and the 186 sounds perfect for me. Maybe next year...
186 FAT lhasa.... Thats what I want....
I've been seeing more and more PM Gear skis on whistler.. pretty cool!
PSA FYI - Only a couple pair of 186 Lhasas left, 4 pair of 191s, 2 pair of 191 Fats, 4 pair of 196s, 2 pair of 179 Lhasas.
Skied a few runs on the 191 Fats today in some PNW bluebird. Really nice ski. Light and quick to move around, but able to push through the chopped up crap nicely.
Yeah dude, glad you're digged 'em. More welcome to take them for a spin again whenever. Those were the all-carbon ones, so I bet the hybrids do better in chopped up, but they're not as nice to tour with.
The 191 Fat operates so well at what it does, I feel like I could use a few good days to catch up with what it is capable of, having hardly skied this season. I kept waiting for it to do something weird as I passed through a gauntlet of conditions this past weekend and it always delivered. As I cranked the dial it got smoother. As I gained confidence in it, the ski inspired more confidence to push myself. About the time I hit my stride and tuned in, I might have scared myself thinking I was not in good enough ski shape to be doing what I was doing.
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Originally Posted by splat
Sunday up at Baker.. when I wasn't with my 6 yr old.. my 186 Lhasa POWs performed flawlessly.. as long as I was on top of them... If I got lazy.. they let me know it.. but the more I pushed them.. the better they responded... and the more I wanted to push them... Super responsive in the chopped up pow.. Love this ski Pat... they're making me by far the best skier I have ever been.. as such, perhaps they'll help me keep up with my freekin' 9 yr old...
I can't decide between the 186 or the 191 Fat! My everyday resort and sometimes touring sticks are 192's but I need to replace my aging Karhu Storms as a full time touring ski. Why have you made this decision so hard Splat? Why?
Our should I get regular 191's? I'm so confused.
Hey chugachied maybe I can help. I had previous Lhasa 191 and got Lhasa Fat. It is acually quicker and possibly lighter due to new technology and slightly smaller radius. So I gain float, quicknoess and possibly weight (certaily don't weigh more). 186 may be slightly quicker in step turns on tour but I can't comment on that since my touring consist of hoking or flat walking in alpine (No AT, not a fan of any current stuff).
Anyway, I am 180 6/2 and love the 191 FAT as daily driver, pow, hike, all. Great ski. I think its a winner, 186 may work better if smaller or lighter than me or for touring??
But my main point is 191 FAT all day over std 191.
I use the 191 Fat as a daily (winter) touring ski and for non-pow days at the resort here in the PNW. I even used the 191 Fat a few times ski mountaineering without a problem - though I wish I had a pair of ski crampons that fit over the waist. I'm 5'11", 165# and find that they're super easy to ski - less work than the 186 Renegades, for comparison. Haven't skied any other PM Gear skis, but I wouldn't hesitate to go with the 191 Fat for my purpose again. (I am coveting a pair of 196 Lhasas though...)
ETA: Mine are the stiff, all-carbon version. I suspect a less stiff version would be even easier to ski.
So it sounds like 191 fats are in my future. I'm 6'2" 225 I should note that I lump mountaineering in with touring which is why the 186 was on my list. In less than perfect snow on dynafits and titans I feel outgunned on my 192's they are manageable but definitely a handful especially in weird crust. So what I'm really looking for is something easier to ski without much performance loss. Sounds like 191 fats are the ticket.
^^^ Good call. I'm on 186 carbons (the green ones) and am almost 60 pounds lighter than you.
These things hold incredible on frozen chicken snow. And not "for a powder ski" either:
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...ennedy/pow.jpg
I'm skiing the hybrids but with the same top layer of that super aerospace carbon weave the all carbons got two layers of. They are def softer than the all carbons.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
At your weight, you'd find the 196 hybrids softer than the all carbon 191 Fats, auvgeek, but every bit as fast, just not as quick to turn. They haul ass with so much stability, it's insane.
What's the weight difference between the hybrids and the all carbons?
8 oz. per ski, Jed.
So are the hybrid listed on the site? The 4.7lbs or is that the pure carbon weight?
Is that lighter than my 192's?
All the carbons are gone, Jed. They weighed 4.2 lbs.
The hybrid 192s run around 5 lbs. per ski.
Curious pat, what are mine?
Case in point.. my 9 yr old spent today at Steamboat.. ripping it with Delaney Tyon all day.. good luck to me.. Attachment 113077Quote:
Originally Posted by BaNosser
You have the hybrids I have except I put the 45/45 carbon under the topsheet of mine (which is the top layer in the photo below of an all carbon pair) and you got the two colored 0/90 carbon layers (the under layers in the photo). When working with two layers of triaxial glass and two layers of carbon, it makes flipping the different carbon weaves around fairly easy but a little tricky. My pair was kind of a test pair. From the bottom up my pair has a 0/90 carbon/triax glass/core/triax glass/ then 45/45 carbon on top. I believe we only did one pair that way. The one pair left and the pair Jed just got are like yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by whyturn
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...52889033_n.jpg
Pure sex
thats pretty awesome Pat. can i have the story behind my bros?
i grin every time i look down at my pair on my feet
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...d/IMG_7815.jpg
Elisa is killing it this year on her Llasas. They have especially made her faster on traverses where she can carry more speed now. Less hiking=more skiing. Here is a photo of her using them properly.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...d/IMG_8685.jpg
kevino, your skis are the hybrids like mine and whyturns.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevino
But there's a story behind the 187 Fats...
Lhasas helped me through this tight steep chute. Every turn was a gamble with a pucker factor ante and a huge payoff.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...d/IMG_8766.jpg
Finally got the new 191 Fats out in some real pow.
They loved it and I loved the skis.
They killed the fresh easily but then really shined once it got cut up.
http://stk.tetongravity.com/forums/a...0&d=1333465838
http://stk.tetongravity.com/forums/a...1&d=1333516024
Lhasa's about to drop in on Summit chute at Whistler
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