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Trim it or clamp and epoxy.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowMachine
Most of you paid 300 bucks for these skis.
It is what it is. I don't cry when my skis that cost less than my bindings start showing some fatigue. They just become rock skis .
Most the time they ski the same as when they are new.
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I haven't decided yet, and you're correct. At $350 IDGAF. I''ll probably epoxy and clamp. More of a concern is that I was considering adding other sizes to the quiver, but I hate skis that fall apart. My J's are closing in on 100 days and rock solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirVicSmasher
Right now we have 0 new snow in the forecast so the BO's are just sitting in the rack. I'll think about what to do with them when/if the forecast changes.
Have a pair of 104s inbound and stoked to have something burly/chargy-ish as a DD to complement my Revolt 121s
Sir Vic what's your take on the BO vs Mindbender? Are they trying to fill a similar niche or are they really targeted at different usages.
The build on the BO seems weird to me. I don't geek on weight too much but it's difficult to ignore the figures on website. Line markets as a freeride ski but the 104 weighs 1890g vs the K2 MB108ti at 2265g, which seems more along the lines of what I'd expect from a freeride charger ski. Seriously 1890g is like touring light, WTF.
BO 104 weighs 2080 in a 178cm
MB 108 weighs 2220 in a 184 cm
So they are pretty similar. 104 is probably a bit more pivoty. Id buy based on mount point preference.
Just weighted my unmounted BO 104 185, it's 2265g.
And my BO 114 186 is 2360g.
Yes bought both a few weeks ago, I'm now part of the family :D
I mounted the 114 at -0.5 so -8. I'm used to traditional mounted skis like the BMX 115 which is mounted at like -13 or something like that, I wanted something just a touch more pivoty and more foregiving tail.
I have a few days on them, sometimes I struggle just a little bit with my balance being a bit too forward, I think, or maybe it's a placebo, but it's minime, so far so good I'd say. They don't feel too different from the BMX 115 actually, I will see with more time on them.
I guess I'll mount the 104 soon.
That's hilarious, so Line must have posted the weight for the 171cm 104 BO.
Thanks for clearing that up. Makes a lot more sense.
So I haven't skied the newest mindbender 108 but spent around 100 days on the old 108 and in comparison to the BO 114 I'd say they're quite similar with the versatility award going Slightly to the mindbender. I have also yet to see a pair of mindbenders with construction defects like the BO seem to be plauged with. So for durability and Versatility I'd choose the MBs over the BOs but they both feel almost identical at speed maybe the MB is a little less pingy in chop. I haven't skied them back to back since I have been on more center mounted skis lately so my memory might not be perfect. Either ski might be great for you at Jackson and I'd encourage you to find a demo pair . The MB 108s should be easy to demo if you don't get along with that ski I'd say you probably wouldn't get along with the Lines but altacoup loves one and hates the other. The 114 I feel is too stiff to be a truly great powder ski meaning it has decent enough float but the flex is a little too abrupt towards the ends and the tail isn't as easy to release as I would like but at Jackson either ski would be great for most days that have any kind of new snow. Both skis are a hoot on groomers the k2s will be better in the south facing moguls than the lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by east or bust
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While the mindbender 108ti and blade optic 104 might seem similar they are massively different. I do prefer the new mindbender to the original. But the mindbender has a very traditional feel, and wants to be skied with traditional style. It’s also very torsional stiff right behind the heel. The blade optic is a new school charger and wants a more neutral stance. It is capable of more turn shapes and is much better in tight areas. I would buy based on ski style preference. I can go back and forth between the 2 but first turn in tight trees on the mindbender is always a reminder to get way forward.
How deep a day have you skiied the 104 BO in so far? Curious how it holds up as the snow gets deeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
I haven’t really skied it much in pow as I have too many powder skis. I’ve skied it on the shoulder and backside at Alta, so terrain that typically opens the day after a pow day, and it worked great. The mindbender has more float as it’s mount point is way further back.
I own the 2023 BO 104’s, MB 108Ti’s and BO 114’s.
In terms of float…BO 104, then MB 108 and then BO 114. The 114 is a good pow ski.
I’ll compare/contrast the BO 104 and MB 108Ti shortly.
Spoiler alert. The BO 104 wins.
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Lol u spend 1 to 2 days on a ski before moving on. I take your opinion with a grain of saltQuote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
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Appreciate all of the responses. Really need to spend more time on skis that like to be skied with a neutral stance. So much of what I own has more traditional mounts and I get in my head thinking that’s the only style I like to ski. Based on what altacoup describes I think I’d much rather be on the MB, but would be sweet to A/B the two skis.
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Do you also have the BO 96?Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
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I wouldn't get too hung up on mount point. I'm going the other way and daily driving Momment Commander 102's right now. Such a fun ski to charge on and mounted -10, 2300g. I rode that yesterday, but I'm probably going out on 4FRNT Switch's today for some park laps mounted -4, 1750g. Just ride what works. I don't have any trouble switching things around. I just know that when I lean hard into the front of the Switch that it'll drift, but it's light, poppy and fun, so..... Keep a lot of tools in the tool box.Quote:
Originally Posted by east or bust
I'd still like to ride the B0104 and I understand what SirVic says about being $350 skis, but I probably won't buy another set until they improve durability (maybe the '24/5 ski is better). I hate to click with a ski only to have it fall apart. My BO114's probably won't get a ton of days on an average year. Hopefully they last a few years.
Fair point. I do try a lot of skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirVicSmasher
But I could also say that you’re such a K2 fanboy that everything you say should be taken with a grain of salt too. Eg. Increase your brand sample size. Haha.
Just skied the Line Optic 104 in ice to slush at sunny Whistler the last two days. They were darn good.
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I'm happy where I'm atQuote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777;7051557
But I could also say that you’re such a K2 fanboy that everything you say should be taken with a grain of salt too. Eg. Increase your sample size.
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Here are some side-by-side comparison pics of the 2023 179 MB108Ti and 2023 178 Line Blade Optic.
179 MB 108 straight pull is 178.25cm, mounted at +1cm (-8cm),136-108-125, 22m radius
178 Optic 104 straight pull is 177.80cm, mounted on rec (-6.7cm), 132-104-123, ~4,200 gm per pair, 19 m radius.
Both have nice deep tip rocker. Float is slightly better on the MB probably due to the mount point and slightly wider dimensions.
Mach speeds on groomers I may prefer the Optic. Its tail is less locked than the MB, but it’s dampness makes it feel solid/composed on groomed snow.
The Optic is softer in the tip/tail, and I find it much easier to ski hard all day in bumpy terrain. MB is better if deeper snow and if in more open terrain.
Maneuverability goes to the Optic 104. You can ski it from a neutral stance versus the MB that likes amore traditional stance. Main difference is slightly more forward mount o the Optic and the tail shape…there is more tail splay on the Optic that just makes it easier to slarve/release if you’re feeling lazy. Or are in a tight spot. The MB requires you to turn it and get over and drive the tips.
Though the MB has the flatter tail, you can see that its tail rocker still goes pretty deep and long = you can slide the MB tail, just not as easily/quickly as the Optic.
Definitely think the K2 wins on durability.
Strap at rec mount. Tape on the ski shows where the rocker ends:
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Super helpful kc. Did you get the chance to try the BO 96. I want a ski to use as do it all. I will ski the regular blade on low angle groomers and my Deathwish in 3D snow.
Have not skied the BO 96. I have a Season Aero 96mm in that width. But I’m sure it’s good too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flippo
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Yes, since I have the regular blade at 95mm underfoot I am wondering if I should go 96 or 105 given that I will use the Deathwish for soft snow. If I remember, you like the rustler 9 too and I am kinda looking for that type of ski with a bit more backbone in the tip.
If you want more backbone in the tip I’d go Rustler 9…the tips on the Optics are not super stiff.
What width DW do you have? If the 112 DW I’d go Optic 104 for sure.
Also, I think the Optics get “burlier” as they get wider. I think the 96 is slightly less ski than the Optic 104? And then the 104 is less slightly leas burly than the 114.
The magic of the Optic 104 and 114 is that they are somewhat damp/burly yet so darn easy to ski. You get the benefit of both worlds in one ski (ie chargy and easy). Makes you faster overall. I’m not 100% sure if the 96 is like that.
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Have you considered getting Deathwish 104s? I suspect they will be more the kind of ski you are looking for than R9s (some takes - including mine - can be found in the Blizzard thread) and should enable pretty damned seamless transitions between your soft snow and hard snow skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flippo
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Originally Posted by kid-kapow
I am considering it. I just find my regular Deathwish a bit too smeary on the hardpack unless I drive them hard. I don’t know if they are different enough to justify owning them both in a quiver of 3 with the blades.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
Adding some data points. Got a pair of 178 BO104s in and they're 2090 and 2070g each
What happens when you drive the Optic 96 or 104? Do they get all turny? Or do they hold up ok? Looking for something to use when skiing with my kids that is easy and fun, but doesn't fold when you use the front of your boot.
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I have the BO 96s for this exact use case and I'm super happy with them. I drive them hard on groomers, follow the kids through the trees, park, etc, and generally try to pop off every little bump and feature I see along the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
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Originally Posted by factive
more a general question but there's blade optic 96, 184, once drilled pivots 26.5 boot on fb marketplace for $200.
I also ski pivots at 26.5. Can you use same holes?
What’s your bsl? my Andrew’s is ~297 if you want to try out some of his Blade optics.Quote:
Originally Posted by east or bust
He has a couple different sizes
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Usually, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by NBABUCKS1
Unless the previous owner used epoxy and damaged the thread while unmounting, or already mounted/unmounted the bindings like 5 times, it'll be fine.
Got out on my BO104s the other day on a bit of a sleeper pow day (~8" of light low density pow) and man what a good time they are. Super intuitive, didn't take more than half a run before I was trying to find the limits, jumping off of stuff, and generally hooting and hollering and having a great day.
In a question replace my Prophets. I’ve been riding the 104 in a 185 mounted Tele. Line skis have always made for great Tele skis. Being solid underfoot with a little softer tip and tail. Providing a nice round flex. Fun ski
so i recently broke my old first-version tracer 108 (188 length) and feel like the BO104 could be a decent replacement for a touring- only (running brakeless MTNs) all-year-round daily driver.
I like the shape, I like the mountpoint on paper, only doubt I have is weight. I've checked out specs on various sources/websites. Is the actual weight (per ski, in the 185 length) 2kgs like Line says on the website? 2 kgs would be the sweetspot, 2.3 maybe not that much.
thanks to anyone who might drop a hint, especially people who own 185 BO104.
My 178 BO104s are just over 2kg/ski, so I'd expect that the 185s are a bit heavier. Blister clocks the 185s at 2.2-2.3kg/skiQuote:
Originally Posted by oltrepiave
apparently the new visions have the same shape, ditch the metal and chunky edges to gain weight.
They are heavy. Way more than the listed weight . I have the 185 and think it was 2300g and change when I checked . If you want to laugh I can weigh them now mounted with PT16s.
It was funny bc most reviews loved the extra heft and stability for a moderate flex ski, but the Line marketing clearly targeted them being lighter and more hybrid friendly. I guess that's why the newer version is more in line w targeted weight
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Thanks man, appreciate it.
It's a shame, still seems like a great ski on paper and for inbounds/hybrid use, just too heavy for me and what i'm looking to use it for.
The old Rustler is basically a lighter blade optic