Title 9 is dead

pedophilia is not a matter of someone being "offended" -
There was another thread that recently went off-the-rails when comic cross-dressers were similarly characterized ;

it is the days long effort to frame this in political terms that promotes this thread being moved to polyass - and doing so in ways that ,,, really beyond being offensive, are really just ignorant
( can't offer a persuasive discussion ? attack the other side )

pedophilia is not a joke -
I am sorry for those who believe it is to be joked about .
Please take it to polyass --

Thank you. tj

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Originally Posted by skiJ

pedophilia is not a matter of someone being "offended" -
There was another thread that recently went off-the-rails when comic cross-dressers were similarly characterized ;

it is the days long effort to frame this in political terms that promotes this thread being moved to polyass - and doing so in ways that ,,, really beyond being offensive, are really just ignorant
( can't offer a persuasive discussion ? attack the other side )

pedophilia is not a joke -
I am sorry for those who believe it is to be joked about .
Please take it to polyass --

Thank you. tj

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Pastors, scout leaders and priests are more likely to be pedophiles than trans people or trans advocates.

abd byates is just a creepy piece of shit in a van by the river

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Originally Posted by dunfree

Pastors, scout leaders and priests are more likely to be pedophiles. And byates wasn’t joking, he’s just a creepy piece of shit in a van by the river

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On this we agree. Fags are gay. Trans are struggling. But the vast majority have no interest in pre pubscents. I would argue that “straight” frustrated males are more likely to molest young teens. And priests are above that class.

Lighten up, Francis.

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

Are you getting a surgical consult for vaginoplasty? Post a TR if so.

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Last chemo round for Ms TBS and getting her tit inked for rads…

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Originally Posted by dunfree

Pastors, scout leaders and priests are more likely to be pedophiles than trans people or trans advocates.

abd byates is just a creepy piece of shit in a van by the river

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So you're saying your a priest or scout leader?

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Originally Posted by dunfree

Pastors, scout leaders and priests are more likely to be pedophiles than trans people or trans advocates.

abd byates is just a creepy piece of shit in a van by the river

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Scouting's been cleaned up. Adults are no longer allowed to be around kids who aren't their own without another adult present.. EVER now.

Churches are the hunting grounds of pedos now.. Youth pastors, random people bouncing from church to church signing up for different group activates.. And especially dudes dating single moms..

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Originally Posted by TBS

Last chemo round for Ms TBS and getting her tit inked for rads…

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Off topic, but that's a milestone, and I vividly remember my last chemo like it was yesterday. I'd like to think cancer made me a better person, but maybe it hasn't? Felt a little less prickly during all that, need to revert back. Thx for the reminder and I hope the best for you two.

Maybe that's why dunfree is so miserable, his fkin scout leader racket got cleaned up

As both a former altar boy and an eagle scout, I am offended that OG would think I meant anything at all about any llte or light beers tasting great. Merely more less filling propaganda. Plus those lites will destroy your guts to the point that it's impossible to either leave the bathroom or in any way be full of shit.

Team Tastes Great would smack you in your mickey's big mouth if an anchor steam was still in reach.

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Originally Posted by SumJongGuy

Scouting's been cleaned up. Adults are no longer allowed to be around kids who aren't their own without another adult present.. EVER now.

Churches are the hunting grounds of pedos now.. Youth pastors, random people bouncing from church to church signing up for different group activates.. And especially dudes dating single moms..

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Hmm. Single moms huh?

I may need to check out this “church” thing.

Got a little tense in here today. How about a musical interlude?

https://youtu.be/D_5JQLUyuJ0?si=NCu5Z6surHNVl82t

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Originally Posted by old goat

I don't say that about all world class athletes. It was simply an observation that swimming seems to involve an inordinate amount of tedious training compared to most sports.

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I'd say it's pretty much impossible to refute this point. Hell, even in open water swimming you have to stop swimming to take in the view unless you're somewhere with really clear water. On the other hand, there is lots of time for quiet contemplation.

Yeah, just a bunch of white middle aged guys trying to figure this out. Not looking for attention but I posted a local news article that outlined a fed district court ruling upholding that one of the reddest states can't enforce their latest trans athletic ban because of a plaintiff who is cis gender female who I personally know and has a well articulated opinion on the matter sued and not a single comment out of the last 60 on it. Anyone care? I thought we should let the women decide...

Carry on with discussions on whether byates thinks scout masters are theRAPISTS and if cono really deserves his speedo.

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Yeah, just a bunch of white middle aged guys trying to figure this out. Not looking for attention but I posted a local news article that outlined a fed district court ruling upholding that one of the reddest states can't enforce their latest trans athletic ban because of a plaintiff who is cis gender female who I personally know and has a well articulated opinion on the matter sued and not a single comment out of the last 60 on it. Anyone care?

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I'll comment. The Idaho law was batshit crazy and I'm glad it's been blocked.

By a cis gender female high school athlete who is going to college on athletic scholarship who wasn't worried about competing against them or playing on the same team with them. There's a deeper conversation there than Idaho creates batshit crazy laws. We all already know that part.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

By a cis gender female high school athlete who is going to college on athletic scholarship who wasn't worried about competing against them or playing on the same team with them. There's a deeper conversation there than Idaho creates batshit crazy laws. We all already know that part.

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I think your observation got almost as much interaction as the one offered by an actual competitor in female sports. If we're still finding out who thinks locker rooms should ban 9 gear olds, we may not be ready for the deeper conversation about deeper conversations just yet.

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Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong

Can’t quite put my finger on it, but something tells me Cono isn’t purely concerned with the issue of fairness and protecting female athletes…

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He is also concerned about what good putin can do for the world.

Oh and father daughter Events of course.

This thread delivers.

I'd like to thank the mod squad for giving it mouth to mouth and a few thumps on the chest.

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Originally Posted by The AD

I'd say it's pretty much impossible to refute this point. Hell, even in open water swimming you have to stop swimming to take in the view unless you're somewhere with really clear water. On the other hand, there is lots of time for quiet contemplation.

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The only thing worse than swimming training is being a swimming kid's parent. 105F Sacramento Sunday--"The next event is 32 heats of girls' 6 and under freestyle and we aren't starting until we get some timers"--all to watch your kid compete for about 90 seconds all day. Now water polo otoh . . .

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The only thing worse than swimming training is being a swimming kid's parent. 105F Sacramento Sunday--"The next event is 32 heats of girls' 6 and under freestyle and we aren't starting until we get some timers"--all to watch your kid compete for about 90 seconds all day. Now water polo otoh . . .

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You should try ski comps.

Hide your kids hide your wife

Dunfree is heading over

https://youtu.be/hMtZfW2z9dw?si=KACKZfj4sgCjMahG

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Originally Posted by old goat

The only thing worse than swimming training is being a swimming kid's parent. 105F Sacramento Sunday--"The next event is 32 heats of girls' 6 and under freestyle and we aren't starting until we get some timers"--all to watch your kid compete for about 90 seconds all day. Now water polo otoh . . .

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Lulz. Fortunately my sentence as a swim parent was served years ago and in a small state where only the state meet got over ten heats for any event. The regular meets never got above 4 heats. League championship meets maybe got to 6 heats. I did a lot of timing.

It doesn't get any better at the masters level. I swam at Nationals in Irvine this spring and there were nearly 2,500 swimmers. The meet went from 8:00 am to about 6:00 pm every day for four days. Luckily there's live streaming, so you have a good idea when you'll be swimming and can plan when you need to show up.

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

You should try ski comps.

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Yeah, that has occured to me.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

By a cis gender female high school athlete who is going to college on athletic scholarship who wasn't worried about competing against them or playing on the same team with them. There's a deeper conversation there than Idaho creates batshit crazy laws. We all already know that part.

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But to me her objections seemed to be based on the specifics of Idaho's law, such as the requirement for "gender checks" if anyone questions an athlete's gender and also the outright ban on ALL transgender athletes. I really hope most people think both of those are going way too far.

That is how they filed the lawsuit with the best chance of winning. In personal conversations with her and her folks, she wanted them to be included because they're humans going through a tough time in their lives and she truly didn't have a problem competing against or with them and the locker room fear shenanigans was just that. She had been around it and said folks going through it were not there to perve on anyone and that they had a problem with the locker room just as much as the cis kids because they didn't fit in. But now I'm just repeating what I already posted.

I was training with a kid's swim team up till just a few years ago and my experience is that most kids are real prudes in the locker room. They're not exactly walking around naked. Most cover themselves with a towel to change or even go into a bathroom stall. I have a feeling that a trans person using the locker/changing room might make others feel a bit uncomfortable at first, but like most things, no one would even pay attention after they got used to it. It should be very obvious that people aren't changing their gender so they can be locker room creepers.

The public restroom "issue" is even sillier. I'm confident women are doing their business in locking stalls. What's the problem with a trans person in there?

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Originally Posted by The AD

It should be very obvious that people aren't changing their gender so they can be locker room creepers.

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Yeah, it should be.

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That is how they filed the lawsuit with the best chance of winning. In personal conversations with her and her folks, she wanted them to be included because they're humans going through a tough time in their lives and she truly didn't have a problem competing against or with them and the locker room fear shenanigans was just that. She had been around it and said folks going through it were not there to perve on anyone and that they had a problem with the locker room just as much as the cis kids because they didn't fit in. But now I'm just repeating what I already posted.

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It’s worth repeating. This kid has her head screwed on straight, with empathy and perspective.

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But. Her bullshit about how there aren’t enough trans to make a difference is bullshit.

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Checked the numbers on this.

There are 32 openly trans athletes in the NCAA (not sure men vs. women). There are ~226,000 female NCAA athletes.

If all trans athletes are competing as female, that would be 0.014%, or 1 in 7000+.

How low does that number need to go to ‘not make a difference?

(Maybe you’re thinking of it as ‘even one person can make a difference!’, but not in the uplifting way the phrase is usually used.)

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Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong

Checked the numbers on this.

There are 32 openly trans athletes in the NCAA (not sure men vs. women). There are ~226,000 female NCAA athletes.

If all trans athletes are competing as female, that would be 0.014%, or 1 in 7000+.

How low does that number need to go to ‘not make a difference’?

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If you follow the media. It’s 5% trans.

Your numbers seem more normal. And believable.

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Originally Posted by Core Shot

If you follow the media. It’s 5% trans.

Your numbers seem more normal. And believable.

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I would suggest maybe my media sources are more normal, and believable.

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Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong

Checked the numbers on this.

There are 32 openly trans athletes in the NCAA (not sure men vs. women). There are ~226,000 female NCAA athletes.

If all trans athletes are competing as female, that would be 0.014%, or 1 in 7000+.

How low does that number need to go to ‘not make a difference?

(Maybe you’re thinking of it as ‘even one person can make a difference!’, but not in the uplifting way the phrase is usually used.)

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That is a very reasonable question. The answer is surprisingly very few. But WHY?

If you superimposed the curves for athletic ability, one for males one for females, the center of the bell curve for males would intersect above the upper quartile of the the female curve. Put another way, the average male high school athlete can crush most top tier female college athletes. So, you only need a small number of males competing against females to skew top level competition and destroy records. Over time, a small amount of males trickling through female competition will tend to end up with most of the records.

That reality is the entire basis for sex segregated sports and Title IX. Title IX wasn't created to support individual feelings of social inclusion, but rather a fair playing field for females.

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Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong

I would suggest maybe my media sources are more normal, and believable.

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When I found out my nephew was my niece I asked my mom and bride what is the gay percent. They said 10-20%
Then I asked about trans and they said 3-4%

Furthermore, the numbers are still small, but I think it's realistic to assume those numbers will increase--not that that's a bad thing--but it will mean these rare situations today may become more common in the future.

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When I found out my nephew was my niece I asked my mom and bride what is the gay percent. They said 10-20%
Then I asked about trans and they said 3-4%

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UCLA’s School of Law Williams Institute estimates that about 1.6 million people ages 13 and up identify as transgender in the U.S. Of that population, 300,000 are youths ages 13 to 17 and make up 1.4% of the U.S. population for that age group.

https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2023/03...��%20he%20said.

But just because 1.4% of the population may be trans, I don’t think that means you should expect 1.4% of NCAA athletes to end up being trans.

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Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong

Checked the numbers on this.

There are 32 openly trans athletes in the NCAA (not sure men vs. women). There are ~226,000 female NCAA athletes.

If all trans athletes are competing as female, that would be 0.014%, or 1 in 7000+.

How low does that number need to go to ‘not make a difference?

(Maybe you’re thinking of it as ‘even one person can make a difference!’, but not in the uplifting way the phrase is usually used.)

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Its not the number of trans participants. Its how good the trans athletes are. Are they overrepresented in the top 1% of their sport? If so, that would seem to point towards an unfair advantage, and that is where the issue is... E.g. Lia Thomas.

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That is a very reasonable question. The answer is surprisingly very few. But WHY?

If you superimposed the curves for athletic ability, one for males one for females, the center of the bell curve for males would intersect above the upper quartile of the the female curve. Put another way, the average male high school athlete can crush most top tier female college athletes. So, you only need a small number of males competing against females to skew top level competition and destroy records. Over time, a small amount of males trickling through female competition will tend to end up with most of the records.

That reality is the entire basis for sex segregated sports and Title IX. Title IX wasn't created to support individual feelings of social inclusion, but rather a fair playing field for females.

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But you’re not talking about ‘males’ competing against females, you’re talking about transgendered females, and the bell curve for transgendered female athletic performance probably looks much different than males.

Not an expert, but I’d guess that combinations of genetics, environment, hormone therapy would lead to differences between athletic performance of a typical male vs. typical trans female, and I think it’s likely that the trans population is less likely to take part in competitive athletics at all, though that could change somewhat with greater acceptance.

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Title IX wasn't created to support individual feelings of social inclusion, but rather a fair playing field for females.

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Title IX wasn’t created to make a fair playing field, it was created to make a playing field where one didn’t exist before. Schools were not investing in women’s sports because there was no money in it. Title IX just said if you’re taking public money you’ve got to invest in sports programs for both women and men.

To me if a school is taking public money they need to find a way to accommodate anyone that wants to play, including trans people. The whole justification of spending public education money on sports are for all benefits associated with being part of a team, competing against others and yourself, and learn about winning and losing. If this is true, everyone should have the opportunity.

We are talking about a minuscule number of trans athletes and as the greatest nation in the world you’d think we could figure it out. Right now there are more ass clowns throwing on a dress and entering women’s sports events to “own the libs” than there are trans athletes.