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yeah, that was funny. SHOW ME NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS BECAUSE I KNOW ALL AND I CAN SEE THAT IT ISN"T POSSIBLE WITHOUT A TRUST FUND!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Oh, hmmm, that's a nice reasonably affordable place in the mountains. Well, I didn't want to live there anyway.
Maybe we should start referring to Benny as TGR's Emily Littella.
and FWIW, there are a number of 2br condos in Summit County for well under $300k, and a few closer to $200k.
I'll stick to Summit/Eagle because that is what you know (and I know).Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Your prices are a little high there buddy, unless you are looking to live in the actual resort. In which case, I recommend a nice Deed restricted (which those poor locals can do) and you can get at 3bd 2ba walk to the slopes for $200K
https://www.trulia.com/property/3228...illon-CO-80435
You can find yourself plenty of 2bd places in Dillon, Silverthorne, Edwards, Alma, Eagle for mid 200K that are not deed restricted. Move to a more expensive market and yea 300s, but the mortgage on that 300K condo is less than rent these days.
You can find a small Single Family for about $350K in Silverthorne or EdwardsQuote:
A house? Oh boy, in most decent ski towns that you would actually want to live, unless, of course, you're happy with the female sheep out in the back yard, oh, well, half million for crap, and then work your way up? Sure, there's fixer uppers, if you like to fixer upper all the time. Good luck with that. Ok, so, let's settle at around 500,000 for a home.
https://www.trulia.com/property/3054...horne-CO-80498
https://www.trulia.com/property/3148...81632#photo-12
But realistically $400-500 for a decent single family home on the open market in Dillon/Silverthorn/Blue River, Edwards/Eaglevail/Eagle. I'm not looking at downtown Breck or East Vail, but neither are locals who are buying houses.
There are some nice new construction deed restricted townhomes in Frisco in the 350-450 range.
But most locals don't jump into a house and they don't mind doing a fixeruper (remember they probably have construction experience or 10 friends who actively do it and will cut them a deal). Locals might have a condo for a bit, build up equity and appreciation.... then they buy a house when they are married maybe with kids, come into that $425K house with $150K from their condo sale after owning for 10 years, and they are now paying $1550 a month on a 20 year note which is way cheaper than rent and very doable for a couple that is probably making $75K. A bank teller and a retail shop manager can pull that much money easy. If it is a Nurse and an Engineer, well, they are going to be quite comfortable.
Or maybe they don't ever need a house. Yea maybe the same couple living in a condo would have a 3 bedroom Single Family in Kansas City, but they are happier in that condo and it is worth about the same. They are also OK being 10 minutes from the ski hill instead of staying the ski in/out condo you rent a month per year, but they also can ride their bike basically out their door, maybe walk down the street to throw on the XC skis in the winter or maybe throw their raft in during the summer and fish.
Bottom line is the mountains are about trading some trappings of suburban/city life for quality of life and being able to live where you play and go outside basically every day. If you can't handle sacrifice, you better be rich.
Like you'd know anything about all that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
This isn't about chicks, bunny. This is about lift loading competency. For some, it may take half a century to master. For others, one afternoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
This thread isn't fucking PURE
NUKE IT
Welcome to Wells Fargo! Let me tell you about some exciting opportunities to open additional accounts with low low fees! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lindahl
I only open accounts with low low low fees. Thats the only way I can afford to live the dream maaaannn
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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
Sheesh, and you call me bitter. Snarl, snarl.
Almost always is, in the end. Everybody needs a little love, dawg.Quote:
Originally Posted by digitaldeath
And a nice pad. And a good car. New skis. Time off.
Yeah, and an upstanding member of the bar who lives the life down in Denver would be proud to live in such a shithole with the trash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
What a bunch of vain fucks bragging about their private property.
Bunny, you think the east coast is superior? Of course you do, you're an east coast dirt. We know ur type
No fucking way. But, it's where I wound up. I didn't exactly plan it this way.
That's your best post in a while. lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by digitaldeath
The trash? Good god, you're an asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
If I had a decent job in summit and was trying to make a life there, I'd be happy to live in those places. More happy than I'd be living in Denver.
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Originally Posted by Danno
Haha, well, isn't that the whole point. But, you could open a restaraunt. And get sponsored. Haha.
Yeah Benny, you should move to Como. You'd fit right in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Lake Como? Beautiful. Awesome food! Good restaraunts!
I tend not to like snarky and elegant postsQuote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
Some posters think that's what this is all about.
As opposed to you who thinks it is all about... You.Quote:
Originally Posted by digitaldeath
Okay then. Fuck what you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by digitaldeath
Does 'your kind' accept you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Uhh, it isQuote:
Originally Posted by Summit
This is my screen
That's probably the difference. I don't know anyone who's successful here for whom being successful here wasn't their top priority for most of their adult lives, long before they got here. Happens all the time, but not by accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
When I read this I hear it in Warren Miller's voice.Quote:
Originally Posted by digitaldeath
Did I miss where I can enter my stats to see if I'm cool or not?
I'm thinking proximity to a lift and ski days are in my favor but yearly income and amount of pasta based dinners are gonna take the quotient down a few pegs. :confused:
Bunny should get cameo in warren millers next filmQuote:
Originally Posted by rip
Lol. Ya yearly income is key in determining athletic prowess
and another thread dies a miserable death.
LAST!
It is an interesting topic where economies are driven by people who have no real interest in the community that do the work and the scene at a lot of resort towns becomes so divisive between the locals and the tourists.
Is it growable or even sustainable?
The reason we stopped going to JH and Big Sky was essentially because of the hostility locals showed us. (Besides the Sublette quad ruining Pepis).
On the one hand, I get the issue that locals often get treated like shit by tourists. And yeah, we were tourists staying at the Hostel or in Bzmn, but we show respect to people and definitely didn't get anywhere near reciprocity on that count. Maybe it's plain old competition for resources, but the ridiculously highschoolish exclusion shown wasn't something we wanted to experience let alone support.
Whoever previously suggested that the resort communities demand respect is partly on the mark I think. Whether that's via organic community intolerance of assholes or more structured policing (which costs money), I think that's part of the solution.
Another, harder part is the carrot aspect: how does one encourage the tourists to give a shit about housing, transportation or health care and provide a mechanism for them to do something about it.
I never quite understood this. When I lived in PC the Tourists were called "Ducks" in a sort of affectionate sort of way. It was accepted that they paid the freight, sometimes were a bit annoying but were crucial to the town's economic health. (This was before PC really exploded).Quote:
The reason we stopped going to JH and Big Sky was essentially because of the hostility locals showed us.
When I moved to Big Sky the Tourists didn't have a name because the place was so quiet and the hostility towards them was pretty absent. FF to around 2000 when the place really started to go off and the tram line began to get big and then.......... Gapers, Tourons and a lot worse.
It was right around that time I recall a letter to the GM from a Midwestern mother who had just been there questioning why on Underground Dirtbag day all the locals were such stark-raving assholes to the guests at the bottom of the Gondola, and (insert humor here) why so many of the young ladies were wearing Dildos and other sexual appliances and screaming "Fuck".
Growth is great until it becomes not so great.
Here is a good example. Breckenridge has exploded, and parking is a fucking disaster and the town is congested. The town passed a 4.5% tax on lift tickets (basically a sales tax that applies exclusively to Breck Ski Area) with the promise that they'd build new skier parking with the tax dollars so Vail Resorts assented. As soon as the tax was passed, the town decided they'd rather not spend the taxes on parking. Instead they decided it would be better to add a "Free Trolly" to Main St, try to exclude more cars from town and improve pedestrian infrastructure with heated sidewalks, and there were calls to add roundabouts to Park Ave (Colorado State Highway 9) in order to "make traffic travel more slowly and safely."
Needless to say Breck Ski Area/Vail is super pissed right now about the bait and switch and doesn't want to be subject to a $4 million extra yearly donation to the town.
http://www.summitdaily.com/news/loca...parking-plans/
http://www.summitdaily.com/opinion/l...d-over-zoning/
The other major controversy around here are the major closures of primary roads on busy weekends to support road bike races/triathlons. That has a lot of locals and tourists pissed off. I literally try to plan to leave the county when one of these clusterfucks is scheduled.
From your link:
Suckers.Quote:
While no language in Ballot Measure 2A indicates the creation of a parking structure, Breckenridge Ski Resort said this expectation was created through statements made by council last year.
Fees should be redirected toward moar steep terrain.
Neither did we. I think we were just subject to the fallout from those Midwestern mothers and "locals", the latter of which really seemed like snotty rich kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by bunion
Maybe things have changed in terms of these "explosions" of development with regard to the typical tourist being more upscale?
Suckers indeed, I wonder if the corporation can do more than write angry letters to the editor.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
Kind of reads like it's the locals who fucked that one up. The trolley might have been a good idea IF they had made trolley served parking where the trolley happened to go through town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
now things are getting dark
beautiful parking lot at breck, really gorgeous
when i was forced to ski there one day last year, i left my jacket in glendale and was able to rent a jacket for like 8 bucks at the edge of the sexy parking lot! WIN
Jacket rentals.
If ever there was a sign of too many tourists somewhere.... it's jacket rentals.
a real amenity
The trolley is a short term solution from what I understand. I still think they'll build a parking deck, but it should be further north of town and serviced by a gondola into town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
That triathlon was the biggest bullshit clusterfuck I've seen in 20 years here. The Pro Cycling Challenge was ok, at least it was pros doing a pro thing and the road was only shut down for a little while. Shutting down the whole highway for an entire day just so some amateur cross fitters can ride bikes back and forth to Zuma is so fucking stupid.
I think that most of the tourist boom in Summit is just from the population boom on the front range. We call them "Frangers" and once they come all the time and get familiar they are "Frocals". Usually good folks, probably dealing with the same housing issues and exorbitant healthcare down in Denver too. Growing pains for sure.