Probably just walking a mile on their crutches would be enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
Probably just walking a mile on their crutches would be enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
Maybe he meant with his cock? #blowjobsforBernieQuote:
Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick
And there's one solution for the bathroom bullshit. When the high end of the estimates is .3% of the world is transgender well we've already spent too much time discussing it here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
If it's really only .3% of the population, Bellingham has an abnormally large number...
My guess is that is the number of openly transgender people versus the whole population of the world knowing full well that in a lot of places people don't come out...
There's a couple of studies out there, Yes there are a number in Bham but Whatcom county is 200k people so .3 percent is still 600 or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/up...opulation.html
Remember even the gay/lesbian population is only in the 3-5% range nationally.
I'm curious, what's the general reaction to seeing this person enter a ladies restroom. Disregard the black eye (I'll explain later):
http://www.advocate.com/sites/advoca...ahorn-x400.jpg
That dude looks a bit scary, but I interact with scary looking people all day.. usually the scarier they look the more harmless they are...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldMember
That said, alone in a dark place with any stranger is scary. Lots of people around, less so.
Also, if said person intends to do harm, no law against entering the woman's restroom will change that.
I use to drive trucks. I've peed in a bucket in the truck more than once due to the conditions and inhabitants of the available facilities...
^^ Therein lies the problem. The 'dude' looks scary but by 'her' own reckoning, isn't a dude at all. She's a transgender who identifies as being a woman but hasn't gone through the physical transformation. The black eye and other injuries came about from having been allegedly beaten up by a couple of guys in downtown Spokane a year ago. I say allegedly because the two guys were arrested but the charges were dropped for insufficient evidence. Anyway, this person claims to be female but by appearance, obviously isn't. Is she truly a woman inside or is this some mental illness? I don't know but it does raise the question of the validity of the ruling put out regarding the use of facilities and the comfort of those who are also in those facilities.
Here's a story regarding the assault and support from the community in her defense.
http://www.inlander.com/Bloglander/a...nsgender-woman
The thing is I know females, born female, identified female who look just as manly.
And a law isn't going to make people safe... kinda like the gun nuts argue about gun laws. Those with ill intent will break the law
Five O'clock shadow and all?Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
Stubble more than a shadow.
I also know a born female changed to a man (no penis added) with a full beard that you would never ever guess. No reason for him to use the ladies room is there?
Well, ladies have stalls. So no one will know about jenner.
Guy without a penis can't use a urinal so an opinion might be formed when you hear pee from a stall but do you really use the urinal before pooping in a stall? Does anyone pay that close attention?
GoldMember ' s dude/gal is kinda extreme and would make just about anyone uncomfortable... but is kindof similar to some people I interact with, many who are disabled, harmless and vunerable.
The issue, though, is that upon appearances of a perfect stranger in line with the new law in the state, this is what's in store. Is the person a she? He? Sex criminal taking advantage of the law? People will be hesitant to confront anyone coming into the bathroom whereas before the new law, someone coming in looking like that would get screams/shouts/whatever to alert others to a problem. Not now. The illegal element of society will be emboldened to take advantage. It's a tough question but, in my view, we should placate the masses and not allow this.
So, the picture you posted should use the mens?
What about the guy I know that looks 100% male but has a vagina? People would freak if he went in the girls.
Do we have stats on sexual assults in restrooms?
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Originally Posted by mtngirl79
But there are stalls. What are they doing? Listening to pee and smelling poop?
What about that guy you posted makes them crimal? Are they a sex offender?
It's going to be the same. Crowds are safe, seclusion is not.
Did you know it's legal for a member of the opposite sex to accompany and assist a disabled person?
Ever hear of the Bystander effect?Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
Also I think there are a lot of women in Germany who would disagree with you and then there is this:
Crowd of Spring Breakers do nothing as girl is gang-raped
The sky is falling.
In other news, I used the handicapped washroom at the movies because it was on the same floor (not down two flights of stairs).
Yeah, that's a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by KQ
It's kinda like having a guy walk you to your car, though. He's probably not gonna protect you. Bad things could still happen, but having a human with a penis walking next to you will deter a lot of criminals and perverts and assholes.
The world will never be completely safe. The question about this bathroom thing is does allowing people to use the bathroom they feel most comfortable with make people less safe.
I say no.
That is exactly why we are having this conversation. Lots of confused peeps.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowing alpy
Oh okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
You are truly a mystery. You say you are a victim of abuse yet you appear to have neither sympathy nor compassion for people who, as a result of abuse, express concern at the prospect of being subjected to a situation that causes them to fear for their safety, real or imagined.
Since we are making pronouncements, I say without some sort of protocol it's a recipe for abuse by those who would do evil and yes, while it is true they are out there already committing heinous acts why open up another avenue for them to pursue victims?
We are not talking about "making the world completely safe" but I will go so far as to say that using the restroom should not involve "assumption of the risk".
When you have been a victim of abuse the fear is everywhere. No where is safe, nobody is safe. I do not not feel for victims of abuse and their fear, I just dont see this situation where they should be catered to.
I will ask again, if it were black men making women uncomfortable, would we be having the same conversation?
http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1...._620/image.jpg
This is what the reality is. Most look like woman, a few look kinda manly.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tran...5CDpAQ_AUIBSgB
I'm wondering where this person should pee... he's gonna have to pee a lot from what I've heard...
http://media.breitbart.com/media/201...am-640x480.jpg
How about this dude?
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3479272/th...ZINE-570.jpg?8
Do you feel safe was he walks out of the stall next to you? You should cause he was born a she.
Lots of these pregnant trans men pictures..
http://www.likesharetweet.com/wp-con...9218074629.jpg
Remember the general level of prejudice in our parents generation? Once my brother brought home a girl with tattoos. My mom thought she was the devil...
Our generation's kids are going to be in childbirth class with trans couples!
This says it all. Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
The fact of the matter is, it is a well intentioned law that is poorly executed and needs to be rethought. Happens all the time, case and point:
Cracking down on service animal imposters
BUFFALO, N.Y. (WKBW) - New York is looking to crack down on those who pretend that their pets are service animals.
Service Animals are used in airports, restaurants, shopping malls and around the house. However, it turns out that virtually anyone could give their pet the appearance of a "service animal."
It is as easy as logging onto the internet. Just on Amazon.com, there are pages and pages of service dogs vests, harnesses and ID cards for sale.
Cindy White, who has used a service dog for years, has learned first hand that the imposters make it harder for those who actually need a service animal.
White was diagnosed with Muscular Dystrophy. "He's basically for walking, balance and if I'm in a wheelchair, he'll pull the wheelchair," she said.
Watching imposter service dogs can be hard for her.
"I get really aggravated because I depend on him, to motivate, to maneuver my life," she explained. "It effects me, because then I'm questioned and thrown out of places. "
White also trains service dogs with Canine Helpers for the Handicapped, Inc. That is the organization that provided her with Jesse.
White said true service animals receive extensive training that can last years. They are trained not to react in public.
Fake dogs can even be a safety risk.
"There's been times when I was out, and somebody with their supposed service dogs barked and snapped at mine," White explained.
The New York Legislature is looking into a new law to weed out the imposters. In it, only certified groups and trainers could purchase and then provide vests that would identify service animals.
Advocates also want to make it easier for businesses to be able to ask for service animals identification.
"I would like to show my ID to show that he's a service dog, versus somebody that doesn't have a legitimate service dog," White said.
Service dogs can cost from $15,000 to $25,000. Those working on the legislation want to push to make that covered by health insurance.
I just hope that Seattle is on the cutting edge of identifying and vetting transgender or transpecies service dogs.
A former member of this forum took his dogs to Argentina on the plane with him by claiming they were service animals.Quote:
Originally Posted by KQ
One of the viscous son of a bitches bit me in Bariloche.
Slimey bastard!Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Ha....Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
I agree. If someone is really intent on assaulting someone in a restroom I doubt the sex labeled on the door is going to thwart them.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
Yeah. I deal with "fake" service dogs every day.
The law basically terrifies businesses and the general rule is if the dog us behaving reasonably, it's not worth the risk of being wrong in judgement.
PTSD dogs make really hard to guess, too.
The reality is its mostly crazy old women and lap dogs and very rarely is it more than annoying.
People get worked up about it, though. Usually I have more than one on the bus almost at all times. Once one fake dog barked at another fake dog. That's the worst I've experienced.
Oh... there is also service dogs that I know are service dogs that have lax handler/owners that can seem kinda fake sometimes.
Service dog does not equal perfect. See, I get to watch them in action. A lot. It's different that what I thought before.
Hooray!Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
You've reached bottom.
Har har.
Once a real service dog bit a fake one. That wasn't on my bus and once this heeler puppy fake service dog nipped a guy and he was allowed back on if he wore a muzzle. The dog, not the man bitten.
The laws on this from both sides seem to be solutions desperately searching for a problem. Trans people are a very small percentage of the population and the vast majority of them use the bathroom that corresponds most with their outward appearance. Most people in the bathroom with them probabaly never notice anything out of the ordinary. Those who do probably just figure it was an effiminate man or a butch woman and don't give it a second thought.
Until I see evidence of a real problem that equal access bathroom laws are solving, I'm going to say that they're stupid. Likewise until I see a problem caused by lack of bathroom segregation enforcement I'm going to call the laws from the other side as I see them, hateful transphobic dog whistles.
Not to go all Ayn Rand but sometimes we really don't need regulations and this is one of those instances.
I think the only real issue is schools, work places and places where people know a person before and after transition.
Some people like to make a fuss when they know...
Looks like Chris Farley in drag....I might be inclined to ask for an autograph.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
Here's my suggestion for this person. No problem:Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
http://i5.walmartimages.com/dfw/dce0...ea7d807.v1.jpg
They need a special license at marymore park..
We have one that is at lake padden a lot that I doubt you would complain about...