Careful What You Ask for Seattle (No Good Deed Goes Unpunished)

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 02-22-2016, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by mtngirl79

It's a completely different issue. Those people weren't sexually assulted by transgender people.

It's the same issue, it makes them uncomfortable. The number of people, anyone, getting sexually assaulted in bathrooms or locker rooms is pretty small if I were to guess. I'm not saying it doesn't happen or that I don't feel bad for these people that it does happen to.

Why does a transgender person being uncomfortable trump other people being uncomfortable?

**Tippster** · 02-22-2016, 10:56 AM

Because Tumblr. Duh.

**riser4** · 02-22-2016, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by KQ

It truly is amazing.

Spent 2 months in a wheelchair and it really opened my eyes to another world where people won't meet your gaze and indeed look quickly away if they find they are looking at you (Look away! Look away! Don't stare at the cripple!), where crossing the street requires you to consider the logistics of whether or not it is doable without being hit by a car because the ramps aren't situated correctly and the granddaddy of them all - bathrooms that say they are wheelchair accessible that aren't really (or worse yet some able-bodied person is using the wheelchair stall when all the others are empty - yeah, I know we've gone round and round about that but having BTDT I am forever on the side of saving the stall for those who only get one choice).

You can't rehash old issues in here, this is the TGR.

**mtngirl79** · 02-22-2016, 12:13 PM

So if these were black men making women who had been sexually assulted uncomfortable because they were black would you have the same opinion?

**mtngirl79** · 02-22-2016, 12:40 PM

Well my circle jerk is that after you have been sexually assulted, you're fucked up in unpredictable ways and you cannot expect the world to give a fuck if you are comfortable because even if it did, even you cannot always predict what it is that fucks you up.

The only solution is to learn to deal with it. It gets better with time.

**Deebased** · 02-22-2016, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by mtngirl79

I think some sort of work with disabled people should be a requirement for high school graduation.

People have absolutely no idea, whatsoever.

Probably just walking a mile on their crutches would be enough.

**Deebased** · 02-22-2016, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick

Jesus H Dude.

"Laugh at" "Scoff at" I can think of many things that you'd say here and I'd probably be there with you, but "throat punch a liberal?"

Maybe he meant with his cock? #blowjobsforBernie

**Deebased** · 02-22-2016, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by mtngirl79

Well my circle jerk is that after you have been sexually assulted, you're fucked up in unpredictable ways and you cannot expect the world to give a fuck if you are comfortable because even if it did, even you cannot always predict what it is that fucks you up.

The only solution is to learn to deal with it. It gets better with time.

And there's one solution for the bathroom bullshit. When the high end of the estimates is .3% of the world is transgender well we've already spent too much time discussing it here.

**mtngirl79** · 02-22-2016, 02:16 PM

If it's really only .3% of the population, Bellingham has an abnormally large number...

My guess is that is the number of openly transgender people versus the whole population of the world knowing full well that in a lot of places people don't come out...

**Deebased** · 02-22-2016, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by mtngirl79

If it's really only .3% of the population, Bellingham has an abnormally large number...

My guess is that is the number of openly transgender people versus the whole population of the world knowing full well that in a lot of places people don't come out...

There's a couple of studies out there, Yes there are a number in Bham but Whatcom county is 200k people so .3 percent is still 600 or so.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/up...opulation.html

Remember even the gay/lesbian population is only in the 3-5% range nationally.

**GoldMember** · 02-22-2016, 04:21 PM

I'm curious, what's the general reaction to seeing this person enter a ladies restroom. Disregard the black eye (I'll explain later):

**mtngirl79** · 02-22-2016, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by GoldMember

I'm curious, what's the general reaction to seeing this person enter a ladies restroom. Disregard the black eye (I'll explain later):

That dude looks a bit scary, but I interact with scary looking people all day.. usually the scarier they look the more harmless they are...

That said, alone in a dark place with any stranger is scary. Lots of people around, less so.

Also, if said person intends to do harm, no law against entering the woman's restroom will change that.

I use to drive trucks. I've peed in a bucket in the truck more than once due to the conditions and inhabitants of the available facilities...

**GoldMember** · 02-22-2016, 06:51 PM

^^ Therein lies the problem. The 'dude' looks scary but by 'her' own reckoning, isn't a dude at all. She's a transgender who identifies as being a woman but hasn't gone through the physical transformation. The black eye and other injuries came about from having been allegedly beaten up by a couple of guys in downtown Spokane a year ago. I say allegedly because the two guys were arrested but the charges were dropped for insufficient evidence. Anyway, this person claims to be female but by appearance, obviously isn't. Is she truly a woman inside or is this some mental illness? I don't know but it does raise the question of the validity of the ruling put out regarding the use of facilities and the comfort of those who are also in those facilities.

Here's a story regarding the assault and support from the community in her defense.

http://www.inlander.com/Bloglander/a...nsgender-woman

**mtngirl79** · 02-22-2016, 07:01 PM

The thing is I know females, born female, identified female who look just as manly.

And a law isn't going to make people safe... kinda like the gun nuts argue about gun laws. Those with ill intent will break the law

**farmer** · 02-22-2016, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by mtngirl79

The thing is I know females, born female, identified female who look just as manly.

And a law isn't going to make people safe... kinda like the gun nuts argue about gun laws. Those with ill intent will break the law

Five O'clock shadow and all?

**mtngirl79** · 02-22-2016, 08:23 PM

Stubble more than a shadow.

I also know a born female changed to a man (no penis added) with a full beard that you would never ever guess. No reason for him to use the ladies room is there?

**mtngirl79** · 02-22-2016, 09:00 PM

Well, ladies have stalls. So no one will know about jenner.

Guy without a penis can't use a urinal so an opinion might be formed when you hear pee from a stall but do you really use the urinal before pooping in a stall? Does anyone pay that close attention?

GoldMember ' s dude/gal is kinda extreme and would make just about anyone uncomfortable... but is kindof similar to some people I interact with, many who are disabled, harmless and vunerable.

**GoldMember** · 02-22-2016, 10:07 PM

The issue, though, is that upon appearances of a perfect stranger in line with the new law in the state, this is what's in store. Is the person a she? He? Sex criminal taking advantage of the law? People will be hesitant to confront anyone coming into the bathroom whereas before the new law, someone coming in looking like that would get screams/shouts/whatever to alert others to a problem. Not now. The illegal element of society will be emboldened to take advantage. It's a tough question but, in my view, we should placate the masses and not allow this.

**mtngirl79** · 02-22-2016, 10:55 PM

So, the picture you posted should use the mens?

What about the guy I know that looks 100% male but has a vagina? People would freak if he went in the girls.

Do we have stats on sexual assults in restrooms?

**GoldMember** · 02-22-2016, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by mtngirl79

So, the picture you posted should use the mens? - He should but probably won't and likely will, instead, take advantage of the new law.

What about the guy I know that looks 100% male but has a vagina? People would freak if he went in the girls. - Just like the person who's picture I posted.

Do we have stats on sexual assults in restrooms? - I don't know but I don't think it's so much that, although that's been the battle cry of opponents, but the objective of gender privacy is compromised with this new regulation. I also tend to think that there will be, not so much assaults, but voyeurism occurring more often as a result. But I'm old and just not in touch, I suppose...

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**mtngirl79** · 02-22-2016, 11:59 PM

But there are stalls. What are they doing? Listening to pee and smelling poop?

What about that guy you posted makes them crimal? Are they a sex offender?

It's going to be the same. Crowds are safe, seclusion is not.

Did you know it's legal for a member of the opposite sex to accompany and assist a disabled person?

KQ · 02-23-2016, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by mtngirl79

Crowds are safe, seclusion is not.

Ever hear of the Bystander effect?

Also I think there are a lot of women in Germany who would disagree with you and then there is this:

Crowd of Spring Breakers do nothing as girl is gang-raped

**pureantigravity** · 02-23-2016, 01:04 AM

The sky is falling.

In other news, I used the handicapped washroom at the movies because it was on the same floor (not down two flights of stairs).

**mtngirl79** · 02-23-2016, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by KQ

Ever hear of the Bystander effect?

Also I think there are a lot of women in Germany who would disagree with you and then there is this:

Crowd of Spring Breakers do nothing as girl is gang-raped

Yeah, that's a thing.

It's kinda like having a guy walk you to your car, though. He's probably not gonna protect you. Bad things could still happen, but having a human with a penis walking next to you will deter a lot of criminals and perverts and assholes.

The world will never be completely safe. The question about this bathroom thing is does allowing people to use the bathroom they feel most comfortable with make people less safe.

I say no.