He doesn't eat potatoes either...he eats A LOT of nuts and normally has some dark chocolate around everyday.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbsolutStoli
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He doesn't eat potatoes either...he eats A LOT of nuts and normally has some dark chocolate around everyday.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbsolutStoli
That doesn't sound healthy at all. Whats wrong with skim milk, yogurt, whole grains etc.?
That's the exact conversation I had with him every couple days, he got really defensive about it because I don't know a lot about it. He reads all sorts of books and reads a ton of stuff on the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by flykdog
I am all for the skim milk, yogurt, whole wheat bread and grains that I eat, wouldn't want to go without it, even learning from him about why he doesn't.
Ok, I'm coming into this late, but with plenty of motivation. Tried on my larger-size ski pants tonight, and I couldn't zip 'em up. Slinging that extra tonnage around the slopes in a few months ain't gonna cut it. Quantifiable goal for July 1 is to be able to fit in my smaller-sized ski pants, and more importantly, to be healthy and fit.
I'm interested in changing my habits for the longterm, though, so if I don't hit that tangible goal, but am feeling great and healthy, that will be the real victory.
I am hanging the ski pants next to the fridge to remind myself.
steve, I'll just be playing along casually, going only by body measurements (inches), so no need to go outta your way to get me on the spreadsheet. Thanks for getting this off the ground, btw.
Hitting the road bike to work everyday now (35k two way trip), whenever possible since febuary.
Feeling hungry around lunch and dinner, not eating more than I used to... Starting to see some slight changes (I think).
Don't dare to step up onto the scales though.
Thanks darlin!Quote:
Originally Posted by altachic
For those of you that doubt it's a healthy diet, just enter the foods into fitday. You meet every nutritional requirement. No more vitamins.
rideit, the inuits are an aberation and their diet is not sound and they've got problems to prove it, so I'm not interested in discussing them at all. But it is true that the ancestors of many of us of northern European origin survived the last ice age on a substantial amount of meat. That's why we do so well with it. Just don't forget that before that we all came from Africa and ate yards of produce and bugs and worms and stuff that hyenas would eat like rotting carcases. With tools, early man was able to get at bone marrows that were left behind by predators.
That said, I am not following caveman/paleo perfectly but more in spirit. I read about it to learn what was good for me to eat and what was junk. I really believe that the american food pyramid with its base of processed grains has produced an epidemic of obesity and type II diabetes. Turn it upside down and you'll have a better picture of healthy eating.
I am eating fruit in the morning with a little bit of egg and oatmeal and flax and honey and nuts, salad/raw veggies at lunch with meat and olives and boiled eggs, meat/fish and cooked vegetables for dinner. Snacking on nuts. Eating better than I ever have before. No nutritionist is going to complain about what I'm doing because I'm not eating enough white bread or something.
I am most interested in getting the additives out of my diet and eating natural unprocessed food. I switched to raw honey and raw cane sugar rather than artificial sweeteners.
But I eat goofy stuff all the time, like potatoe chips and slices of pizza. And I drink alcohol. I drink coffee in the morning and green tea the rest of the day. I'd like to give up the coffee somehow and maybe even the booze. Someday.
The fitday reports say that for the last month I've been averaging 1982 calories per day, 87 grams fat, 158 grams carb, 102 grams protein, 28 grams alcohol. 40%/28%/21%/10%. The carb count would be lower if I wasn't susceptable to occasional junk.
I finally lost another pound, down to 135. At 5'8", I'm pretty skinny again so it's hard. But I know the last five pounds will melt off when I start skinning again next month. I run around chasing kids outside all day, but I don't get any tough exercise right now. Everyone knows their optimal/stud ;) weight, maybe from high school or college or sometime when they got really fit and I know mine is 130.
Sorry for the length. But what we eat is such a complex and fascinating and even emotional subject. My strong advice is to enter the food you eat into fitday. You are what you eat, so just look at yourself in the mirror. :)
steve, where are you? What's your schedule?
Yeah, mine would be about 72 - 75 kg (nearly 8kg 'overweight' here).Quote:
Originally Posted by SheRa
aspen today, the backcountry thing tomorrow, fly home wednesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheRa
-steve
I think an important piece of the nutrition conversation that has been overshadowed by protein is fiber. Fiber is important, please eat it. Discuss.
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Shera - you're tiny! I'm 5'9" and my "stud weight" was about 145#/19% BF. Any idea what your bodyfat% is? What would you consider to be your body type, i.e. do you carry a lot of muscle? Just curious.
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Originally Posted by Platinum Pete
Kashi Go Crunch
need I say more
to those of you who cut out certain things from your diet, how do you maintain the discipline and composure? motivation towards the ultimate goal is one thing, but your will power must get tested from time to time. so how do you stay true?
i ask because i was just getting lunch, and i stopped by the hot food section and there were some mighty tasty sausages and kraut staring back at me...and it took everything i had to go and get myself a salad and not give in. with all the talk of bacon and all the "best place to get a _____ in _____" threads, theres obviously foodies in here...so how do you resist endulging on something? any tips besides just sucking it up? lol
go ahead and get the sausage. once every couple weeks. then have a salad for dinner. you dont have to deny yourself anything, but you also cant have everything.
Snowslider did it!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteLight
Ah, got it, Nohills. Thanks. I'm still finding my way around here, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nohillsnearby
Snowslider: props!
I'm totally nerding out on the SparkPeople.com site. I've used the subscription-based Weight Watchers online program in the past, with great results, but so far, SparkPeople is far superior. And, it's free.
'Stoli,Quote:
Originally Posted by AbsolutStoli
I'm not a big fan of denying myself certain long-loved foods just for the sake of purity, or meeting some contrived metric (Atkins protocol, e.g.). I love food, and I love all sorts of food, and I am not willing to become a food prude just to make my body conform to some particular ideal within some artificial timeframe.
Especially when I travel...no WAY am I going to deny myself the experience of trying out the local cuisines. I'll eat anything...at least once. :D
Frankly, as far as I can see, there is no long-lasting benefit to be gained by adhering to some sort of Puritanical eating regimen, if it reduces the pleasurable activity of eating down to a clinical exercise in counting carbs, protein, etc. Makes me feel a bit like a cow being prepped for market! I don't give a damn, really, about having x-percentage body fat. That level of detail is strictly optional, and I'm opting out of it. :D
Instead, I'm limiting my caloric intake to what I'm told is a weight/gender/lifestyle appropriate level, and making sure to pack as many vital nutrients into those calories as I can...while also including my favorite comfort foods. I happen to really love lots of simple "super foods" that are just plain good for me; but I also love me a big ol' nasty chili-cheese dawg and onion rings now and then.
Sorry, I took off on a wild ramble there, but your question got me to thinking about priorities.
Cheers.
Edit: Duh, forgot to mention an important consideration in keeping all sorts of foods in the diet: portion control. Have a sausage, or a half a sausage, and enjoy the hell out of it. Just don't go face-down in the whole warming tray and eat 24 of 'em, eh?
I'm totally anti-fad diet and all about healthy balanced eating and moderation.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteLight
One thing I ask people who are on any fad diet is 'Can you eat that way for life'? If the answer is 'no', then they will most definitely gain back the weight.
I hate how women are so stuck on a number on the scale. I hear women complain that they haven't lost weight, but yet there clothes feel looser and they are participanting in regular physical activity. I blame mostly the media for this. I'm 5'8" and my weight ranges between 130-135.... I was at one of my happiest weights in University when I was 142 and muscular. Now I just don't have as much time to spend on weights and would much rather be outside biking, skiing or hiking.
I don't know my bodyfat. I'm not exceptionally muscular, or I would prolly weigh more. I feel pretty good right now though at 135. 130 will be really lean like when I used to run cross country and when I wasn't working a couple of years ago and just skiing backcountry every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by tradygirl
Healthy eating and moderation...sums it up perfectly. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spark
I know that eating fresh wholesome food sounds like some kind of fad in this day and age of 90% of the grocery store shelves lined with stuff that could make it through a nuclear war, but just look back 100 years, before drive throughs, and you'll see that the "fad" in american eating is the freaking food pyramid. Just shop the periphery of the store and you'll do better than most people. And at least go easy on the bread, make it part of your diet, rather than the basis of your diet. Like one piece instead of two for a sandwich.
A body weight scale and calorie counting are simple metrics that are readily available to us. If you have a powerful awareness of what you are putting in your mouth and it's effect on your body without them, then kudos to you. I found my weight creeping up to the tune of 16 lbs and I need to keep some records. As a person with a science degree, this is a no-brainer and very interesting.
If you eat a lot of fruits and vegetables, you'll get your fiber, Pete.
I also will eat just about anything, as long as it isn't moving. :D And I love variety. I just got this stuff called kefir. It's a yeast/bacteria culture like yoghurt and I'm going to try growing it in coconut milk.
Let's get a preliminary progress report going. How are you doing? How many pounds down? How's the bodyfat %? What's going on with your dieting/exercise plan? Obstacles? Successes?
My weight loss is slowing (I'm at 195 and holding for a while now), but my bodyfat has dropped from around 13% to around 10% (9.7% last night).
I've been increasing the distance/time of my cardio and my biggest challenge now is squeezing in the time for the workouts. I hit 85 miles total last week - split between running and biking. My goal for this week is 90 and I'd like to be at 100 miles per week by mid-April.
I bought a Garmin Forerunner 305 and it is awesome. Lets me track all kinds of stats for my workouts. After yesterday's 5 miler run I was amazed to see that my peak pace was 5:30/mile. I imagine I only kept that pace up for about 10 feet though. My average was 9:05 per mile and I was doing intervals. I did burn 791 calories though!!!
Alright here is the update:
Mrryde = happy
Started the year at 285, Started the Challenge at 270
I am currently at 255, down 15lbs from 3/12
Basically I have just cut the portion sizes down and have been eating healthier. I am trying to mountain bike 30 - 40 miles a week and run 10 miles a week. I had a cheat day on saturday and downed many beers, but it didn't seem to hurt me much.
I will be skiing all next week and i will try and maintain some sort of diet when I am out there.
Woah Mrryde, I think you are winning! :yourock:Quote:
Originally Posted by mrryde
I am down another 2# today so that's good. Thankfully, all these schmancy business lunches I've been enjoying as of late are (seemingly) negated by a freaking ton of training.
Here's an article from today's NYTimes that's relevant. Could also go in the "245# 7 year old" thread. Apparently 21 percent of calories consumed by Americans over the age of 2 come from beverages! I've done this before. I used to think OJ was "healthy" so would drink like half a liter of it a day without realize how many calories I was consuming.
Anyways, here's the article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/27/he...a7bcf0&ei=5070
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You Are Also What You Drink
By JANE E. BRODY
Published: March 27, 2007
What worries you most? Decaying teeth, thinning bones, heart disease, stroke, diabetes, dementia, cancer, obesity? Whatever tops your list, you may be surprised to know that all of these health problems are linked to the beverages you drink — or don’t drink.
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Stuart Bradford
Last year, with the support of the Unilever Health Institute in the Netherlands (Unilever owns Lipton Tea), a panel of experts on nutrition and health published a “Beverage Guidance System” in hopes of getting people to stop drinking their calories when those calories contribute little or nothing to their health and may actually detract from it.
The panel, led by Barry M. Popkin, a nutrition professor at the University of North Carolina, was distressed by the burgeoning waistlines of Americans and the contribution that popular beverages make to weight problems. But the experts also reviewed 146 published reports to find the best evidence for the effects of various beverages on nearly all of the above health problems. I looked into a few others, and what follows is a summary of what we all found.
At the head of the list of preferred drinks is — you guessed it — water. No calories, no hazards, only benefits. But the panel expressed concern about bottled water fortified with nutrients, saying that consumers may think they don’t need to eat certain nutritious foods, which contain substances like fiber and phytochemicals lacking in these waters. (You can just imagine what the panel would have to say about vitamin-fortified sodas, which Coca-Cola and Pepsi plan to introduce in the coming months.)
Sweet Liquid Calories
About 21 percent of calories consumed by Americans over the age of 2 come from beverages, predominantly soft drinks and fruit drinks with added sugars, the panel said in its report. There has been a huge increase in sugar-sweetened drinks in recent decades, primarily at the expense of milk, which has clear nutritional benefits. The calories from these sugary drinks account for half the rise in caloric intake by Americans since the late 1970s.
Not only has the number of servings of these drinks risen, but serving size has ballooned, as well, with some retail outlets offering 32 ounces and free refills.
Add the current passion for smoothies and sweetened coffee drinks (there are 240 calories in a 16-ounce Starbucks Caffe Mocha without the whipped cream), and you can see why people are drinking themselves into XXXL sizes.
But calories from sweet drinks are not the only problem. The other matter cited by the panel, in its report in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, is that beverages have “weak satiety properties” — they do little or nothing to curb your appetite — and people do not compensate for the calories they drink by eating less.
Furthermore, some soft drinks contribute to other health problems. The American Academy of General Dentistry says that noncola carbonated beverages and canned (sweetened) iced tea harm tooth enamel, especially when consumed apart from meals. And a study of 2,500 adults in Framingham, Mass., linked cola consumption (regular and diet) to the thinning of hip bones in women.
If you must drink something sweet, the panel suggested a no-calorie beverage like diet soda prepared with an approved sweetener, though the experts recognized a lack of long-term safety data and the possibility that these drinks “condition” people to prefer sweetness.
Fruit juices are also a sweet alternative, although not nearly as good as whole fruits, which are better at satisfying hunger.
Coffee, Tea and Caffeine
Here the news is better. Several good studies have linked regular coffee consumption to a reduced risk of developing Type 2 diabetes, colorectal cancer and, in men and in women who have not taken postmenopausal hormones, Parkinson’s disease.
Most studies have not linked a high intake of either coffee or caffeine to heart disease, even though caffeinated coffee raises blood pressure somewhat and boiled unfiltered coffee (French-pressed and espresso) raises harmful LDL and total cholesterol levels.
Caffeine itself is not thought to be a problem for health or water balance in the body, up to 400 milligrams a day (the amount in about 30 ounces of brewed coffee). But pregnant women should limit their intake because more than 300 milligrams a day might increase the risk of miscarriage and low birth weight, the panel said.
Mice prone to an Alzheimer’s-like disease were protected by drinking water spiked with caffeine equivalent to what people get from five cups of coffee a day. And a study of more than 600 men suggested that drinking three cups of coffee a day protects against age-related memory and thinking deficits.
For tea, the evidence on health benefits is mixed and sometimes conflicting. Tea lowers cancer risk in experimental animals, but the effects in people are unknown. It may benefit bone density and help prevent kidney stones and tooth decay. And four or five cups of black tea daily helps arteries expand and thus may improve blood flow to the heart.
Alcohol
Alcohol is a classic case of “a little may be better than none but a lot is worse than a little.” Moderate consumption — one drink a day for women and two for men — has been linked in many large, long-term studies to lower mortality rates, especially from heart attacks and strokes, and may also lower the risk of Type 2 diabetes and gallstones. The panel found no convincing evidence that one form of alcohol, including red wine, was better than another.
But alcohol even at moderate intakes raises the risk of birth defects and breast cancer, possibly because it interferes with folate, an essential B vitamin. And heavy alcohol consumption is associated with several lethal cancers, cirrhosis of the liver, hemorrhagic stroke, hypertension, dementia and some forms of heart disease.
Dairy and Soy Drinks
Here my reading of the evidence differs slightly from that of the panel, which rated low-fat and skim milk third, below water and coffee and tea, as a preferred drink and said dairy drinks were not essential to a healthy diet. The panel acknowledged the benefits of milk for bone density, while noting that unless people continue to drink it, the benefit to bones of the calcium and vitamin D in milk is not maintained.
Other essential nutrients in milk include magnesium, potassium, zinc, iron, vitamin A, riboflavin, folate and protein — about eight grams in an eight-ounce glass. A 10-year study of overweight individuals found that milk drinkers were less likely to develop metabolic syndrome, a constellation of coronary risk factors that includes hypertension and low levels of protective HDLs. To me, this says you may never outgrow your need for milk.
The panel emphasized the need for children and teenagers to drink more milk and fewer calorically sweetened beverages.
“Fortified soy milk is a good alternative for individuals who prefer not to consume cow milk,” the panel said, but cautioned that soy milk cannot be legally fortified with vitamin D and provides only 75 percent of the calcium the body obtains from cow’s milk.
true. you have a point. lol i try not to cut out too much stuff, if anything, but then again im always trying to be concious of what im eating (these days anyway) and trying to be healthy. id never cut out meat or bread or anything like that, but sausage is far from being a part of a healthy diet. haha i suppose once in a while and in moderation shouldnt hurt too bad.Quote:
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thanks.
i agree 100%. nothing makes me cringe more than someone saying "blah blah blah is so bad for you." everything is bad for you if you eat too much of it. drinking too much water can kill you for fucks sake. lol and fad diets are stupid because they completely go against a balanced diet. although, i was doing some reading on something called the blood-type diet, and it kinda sounds like it has some scientific merrit (although i just thought it was interesting and not actually doing it). basically its all about how some people are more suited towards certain types of foods based on their geneology and blood type.Quote:
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i used to go out with this girl whose family decided to do the atkins diet, it was a nightmare to sit down to dinner with them. of course, it didnt work and they all dropped it. needless to say, we had a lot of disagreements on the idea of a proper diet...but having breakfast with them every weekend totally threw me out of shape (still trying to recover from it like 3 years later).
i grew up in ukraine, so i basically grew up with appreciation for fresh fruit and veggies. and the dairy out there is amazing. kefir and farmers cheese is a staple for good nutrition for kids. you can find the stuff here now, but 5 years ago no one even knew what the hell it was. lol
"About 21 percent of calories consumed by Americans over the age of 2 come from beverages, predominantly soft drinks and fruit drinks with added sugars, the panel said in its report."
That's crazy. I decided to quit drinking soft drinks about three years and can't say I've really missed them. I wasn't drinking a lot at the time, though. Probably less than a can a day. It just seems like such empty calories.
OK, speaking of bevvies:
What do you people know about diet sodas, and their role in inhibiting weight loss? I've heard people say that the artificial sweeteners jack with your body's sense of satiety, and triggers something that makes you feel still-hungry. (Sorry for the lack of hard knowledge, here.)
I know, I know; the best choice would be to just stop drinking those things. Because they fill some dumb emotional-crutch role for me right now, I think I need to find recipes for a healthy substitute: basically, something with caffeine, fizz, and just a hint of sweetness. Maybe just lob an espresso shot into a glass of mineral water, and throw in a teaspoon of real sugar?
Suggestions?
btw, I've certainly consumed more than 20% of my daily calories in adult beverages on too many occasions, and I see that as being a possible stumbling block. That, and loosening of willpower when under the influence....bring me that tray of sausages, now! :D