Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

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Originally Posted by iceman

Thank you and I'd like to have that drink. But I'm not advocating anything like that at all. All I am saying is that reasonable precautions are probably adequate and that OCD-laced paranoia might be a fun hobby but it's most likely a waste of time and energy. And negative for society. But at least here in this house, any pushback towards science-based rulemaking results in suggestions that I should burn my masks, make a sign and go picket the State House to free us. Which is not something I feel is warranted. To say the least.

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thats the thing, question the narrative at all and its "go lick doorknobs, etc".

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Originally Posted by riser3

I wipe the grocery cart handle and apply hand sanitizer a bunch. I don't wipe down my groceries but new dry goods go on a shelf in the basement if we don't need them right away. This is partially from necessity because we are trying to stay well stocked just in case we need it. I wear gloves when I pump my gas. I avoid public restrooms where I have to touch anything other than my junk and only go #1. I have not gone in places where I have to touch a door handle. So far this is easy because I am only going to the grocery store and I pay for gas at the pump. I am probably going to catch it and die.

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for the record. I do none of the above, never have. I wear a mask to "do my part".

The first time i went out was with gloves but then you think about everything you touch and decided don't touch my face & wash my hands well when i get home,

I got a couple boxes of vinal gloves I normaly use while skiing in cold weatehr now i use them for pumping gas so my hands don't smell

REALLY covid is about air transmission IMO

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Originally Posted by iceman

All those cases are in one housing complex. Clearly there is a point source there. Most likely one individual who came into contact elsewhere and brought it home with him. Give the story a couple more days and if there is a follow up story I bet that they will have identified the source. It hasn't been just lurking on a doorknob for weeks I'll tell you that much.

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Wonder how many doorknob lurkers are reading this thread right now.


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Originally Posted by iceman

It hasn't been just lurking on a doorknob for weeks I'll tell you that much.

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I got it from the toilet seat
I got it from the tooilet seeeat
It jumped right up
'n grabbed my meeeat
Got it from the tooooilet seeeeat...

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Originally Posted by riser3

I wipe the grocery cart handle and apply hand sanitizer a bunch. I don't wipe down my groceries but new dry goods go on a shelf in the basement if we don't need them right away. This is partially from necessity because we are trying to stay well stocked just in case we need it. I wear gloves when I pump my gas. I avoid public restrooms where I have to touch anything other than my junk and only go #1. I have not gone in places where I have to touch a door handle. So far this is easy because I am only going to the grocery store and I pay for gas at the pump. I am probably going to catch it and die.

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I do similar. I don't use public bathrooms at l right now. Find a tree if. need to. Not out of the house that many hours. I did use one at the school yesterday when I was distributing food, but no one else is using that bathroom right now. Read an article on aerosolized shit and cover from flushing. I don't mind the cover, but no way do I want some dudes shit up my nose. Not really getting much gas, but I have nitrate gloves on hand from fiberglass work, so I keep some in the car. I was using them when we went skiing before everything got shut down - hours in the car with no where to washy hands. Not washing the groceries, but I do unpack shit, or store it in my storeroom for a few days. Need milk, so gonna see if I can do a quick milk, wine, horseradish shop spree at Safeway today. When I drove by there the other day there was no line. I do not want to wait in line. Ever. That is why I'll choose the fixed grip instead of the high speed.

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Originally Posted by iceman

Thank you and I'd like to have that drink. But I'm not advocating anything like that at all. All I am saying is that reasonable precautions are probably adequate and that OCD-laced paranoia might be a fun hobby but it's most likely a waste of time and energy. And negative for society. But at least here in this house, any pushback towards science-based rulemaking results in suggestions that I should burn my masks, make a sign and go picket the State House to free us. Which is not something I feel is warranted. To say the least.

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if theres a go social distance out in utah option well the science based numbers would support it and being an enabler....
#icemanroadtripsinjeansandamask

Russian roulette chronicles: due to critical urgency took a chance at the Donner Summit rest stop day before yesterday. After recovering from my surprise that it was even open, I almost bolted when I observed not a single masked or gloved individual, including the state employee emptying the trash cans. However, by then it was too late and options had dwindled to a Maya Rudolph/Bridesmaids moment in the parking lot or waddle into the stall. Lo and behold, the interior was the cleanest I've ever seen, lots of TP and soap dispensers all full. I came out refreshed and restored, but still uneasy.

Another consequence of all that hand washing:



Improved hygiene during pandemic might be to blame for muckier wastewater coming out of Liberty Lake plant

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Originally Posted by iceman

So, anything up with the virus?

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You're guess is as good as any - going to depend on where you tune in. Last night I saw Trump's latest presser and as usual I came away totally confused wanting only to curl up in the fetal position and rock.

Ugh... he actually said that the lock down has cost more lives than the virus. That people are offing themselves left and right "probably more so than the virus has killed." So now we have 80K suicides too? Ugh. The mind-numbing BS/contradictions/outright lies is what's enough to make you off yourself.

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Originally Posted by Ripzalot

Or you get to be that lucky kid who got to bring the fresh stack back from the office. Flip thru the pages....aaaahhhh.

Was that paste kinda off white or brownish with an applique stick on the middle? Never thought about eating it but remember that smell. The fresh smell of a poster art project.

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Originally Posted by iceman

I understand that the absence of a positive does not necessarily mean a negative, but my refusal to participate in what I see as the paranoid orgy of grocery-bag wiping is getting me labeled as a science denier and disease-enabling sociopath here.

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I stopped wiping them down. Just too tired to care that much anymore.

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Originally Posted by Skidog

thats the thing, question the narrative at all and its "go lick doorknobs, etc".

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You understand I was being funny, right?

There are two realities right now:

- Those that have been lucky enough to work from home. These people haven’t left their house in a week. They have a mask and gloves donned every second they are out in public. They open doors with their elbows, they sidestep 6’ around people at the supermarket, they refuse to use public toilets, they disinfect their packages and credit cards, etc...

- Those that unfortunately have had to go to work through this whole thing. They’ve been wearing a mask and gloves for 40+ hours a week for almost 6 weeks at this point, they are over it, you probably see them without a mask on at the supermarket on Sunday. They shit in a public toilet every morning. They grab their morning coffee with an un-gloved hand from the Starbucks drivethru 5 days a week. Etc....


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Originally Posted by riser3

You understand I was being funny, right?

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Besides, there's probably some quite viable and potentially quite unpleasant bacteria lurking on your average doorknob in a public area. No need for licking to confirm that one.

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Originally Posted by nickwm21

There are two realities right now:

- Those that have been lucky enough to work from home. These people haven’t left their house in a week. They have a mask and gloves donned every second they are out in public. They open doors with their elbows, they sidestep 6’ around people at the supermarket, they refuse to use public toilets, they disinfect their packages and credit cards, etc...

- Those that unfortunately have had to go to work through this whole thing. They’ve been wearing a mask and gloves for 40+ hours a week for almost 6 weeks at this point, they are over it, you probably see them without a mask on at the supermarket on Sunday. They shit in a public toilet every morning. They grab their morning coffee with an un-gloved hand from the Starbucks drivethru 5 days a week. Etc....

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Way more realities than that today and always.

Things being what they are, I sure would feel more secure and would shop more if the mask I was wearing was N95. Maybe a WTB in Gear Swap?

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Originally Posted by iceman

I don't believe we know that at all. Can you point to a case whose origin is unclear after rigorous contact tracing? I'm not aware of any. Obviously the lack of contact tracing and testing is a hudge factor in that lack of evidence, but if there is a case where extensive science-based contact tracing was tried and failed I have not heard of it.

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Read public health department reports. One was posted from Montana a few pages back. About a quarter of Montana cases were "community spread" meaning extensive science-based contact tracing was tried and failed to find contacts. My county health department also reported "community spread" early in the epidemic when cases were low enough to trace them all. I'm hoping they'll report again as cases are again low enough to contact trace them all.

It's been shown other respiratory viruses spread via fomite (surfaces). WHO/CDC will have links to the studies. No reason to believe SARS-CoV-2 is any different.

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Originally Posted by wooley12

Things being what they are, I sure would feel more secure and would shop more if the mask I was wearing was N95. Maybe a WTB in Gear Swap?

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Paging KQ to the thread .... oh wait ... you're already here. How's your N95 supply holding out?

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Originally Posted by riser3

You understand I was being funny, right?

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Yeah but not everyone is ya know. ?

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Originally Posted by nickwm21

There are two realities right now:

- Those that have been lucky enough to work from home. These people haven’t left their house in a week. They have a mask and gloves donned every second they are out in public. They open doors with their elbows, they sidestep 6’ around people at the supermarket, they refuse to use public toilets, they disinfect their packages and credit cards, etc...

- Those that unfortunately have had to go to work through this whole thing. They’ve been wearing a mask and gloves for 40+ hours a week for almost 6 weeks at this point, they are over it, you probably see them without a mask on at the supermarket on Sunday. They shit in a public toilet every morning. They grab their morning coffee with an un-gloved hand from the Starbucks drivethru 5 days a week. Etc....


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I don’t fit into either of those. Work brings me out of the house three days a week. I won’t use a public toilet if I can help it. Wearing mask pretty much every where: work, store, rides: anywhere I come within 10’ of others. I will avoid you in the store, cause why the fuck would I ever want some mouth breather near me.

What pisses me off is all the people who drive into this county every weekend to recreate and almost none of them can fit a mask in their ducking suburban after they pack all their $8000 bikes in there. Then slowly ride single track or ride side by side by side across the entire fire road. Bike from your home. If you are going come to my neighborhood and rub shoulders with me wear a fucking mask.

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Originally Posted by wooley12

Things being what they are, I sure would feel more secure and would shop more if the mask I was wearing was N95. Maybe a WTB in Gear Swap?

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You seem like a Kirby guy.

Cut up a Kirby filter bag and make a few masks.


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Did have a Kirby. Weighed a ton. Good knife sharpener attachment

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Originally Posted by iceman

Thank you and I'd like to have that drink. But I'm not advocating anything like that at all. All I am saying is that reasonable precautions are probably adequate and that OCD-laced paranoia might be a fun hobby but it's most likely a waste of time and energy. And negative for society. But at least here in this house, any pushback towards science-based rulemaking results in suggestions that I should burn my masks, make a sign and go picket the State House to free us. Which is not something I feel is warranted. To say the least.

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Probably not worth the argument. Just tell them they'll have to do it. Supervise it with a G&T in your hand. Tell them they're doing it wrong.

Please video the experience. :fmicon:

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b9&oe=5EE01047

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Originally Posted by wooley12

Things being what they are, I sure would feel more secure and would shop more if the mask I was wearing was N95.

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Please don't put my life at risk with a ported N95 mask
If it has a port, you need a mask over your mask, otherwise you are blowing unfiltered air all over me

P100 Masks are even worse

I just orders the Q1005 mask. It was pricey, but it will also soothe my poison oak and dissolve any gall stones I get.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZHBn-ilVB8

Turns out that a young woman skier from Colorado may be one of the people saving the world. Starts with vaccine basics, and has good PowerPoint slides.