Too Many Tourists In Colorado

I'll chime in yet again that I have a real job and I also live in a mtn town with no parental help (in fact I am the opposite of a trustie as I have to help my mom with her funds, bought her car for her etc.)
But I must be lying bc it can't happen

Apparently Benny is just waiting for the numbers to prove his point, not the actual numbers that hurt it.

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Originally Posted by Summit

I see people do it the hard way too: 25 years of patrolling/construction/odd jobs can get you in a good spot if you are tight with the cash.

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There are people here (and I'm sure most any other mountain town) who bought a home in the 80's for like 100K that are going to cash out big time one of these days when they're ready to retire. Ski patrolling and skiing 100+ days a year won't treat them too bad in the end.

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Originally Posted by baby bear

I'll chime in yet again that I have a real job and I also live in a mtn town with no parental help (in fact I am the opposite of a trustie as I have to help my mom with her funds, bought her car for her etc.)
But I must be lying bc it can't happen

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baby bear = http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc...g?v=1474031444

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Go ahead man. Do the core local thing, no savings, no insurance, crappy pay, whatever. Be macho about it. Chicks really dig 50 year old drunks with bad knees and shoulders and no money.

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bunny please call me when you get back to summit county this winter we need to hang out and talk so I can show you what life is really like

sure I've got two fifty something alcoholic nieghbors who drink day and nite been here since they were twenty, they pop every pill imaginable to keep their cholesteral bad blood pressure and many other issues at bay, but there are just as many fuck ups like them all across this great country

SO YOU ARE RIGHT!

your prolly right about me too, BUT I"M MACHO ABOUT IT BRO, I can only type with so many fingers cause I'm missing some, got a bad knee, I don't have dick to my name, every time I goto the vail valley surgery center, I can't get over how FUCKING NICE the place is, it's like a five star hotel nice! I leave every time babbling to the hot nurses that I love this place and can't wait to come back. Cause I always know I'm one step away from doing something stupid and getting hurt

I've made so many bad decisions in life it's not even funny, but hey guys like you keep me in check

so tonight while I'm sitting down to have my twin lobster dinner I'll think of you and how bad you suck at road riding and skiing and how awesome my life really is

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Originally Posted by goldenboy

There are people here (and I'm sure most any other mountain town) who bought a home in the 80's for like 100K that are going to cash out big time one of these days when they're ready to retire. Ski patrolling and skiing 100+ days a year won't treat them too bad in the end.

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I feel like it is all relative. It was probably expensive for them at the time.

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Originally Posted by doebedoe

Geebus. Chill with the fucking numbers thing. You can make 60-100K doing middle class jobs (resort, accountant, real estate, tourist-related, etc etc etc) if you have some skills. Two people can live in a mountain town, save for retirement. If Meadow was in two-digit GS scale that is no less than 60K in CO. Probably more in the 70-80K range once you talk about seniority 32-years brings plus overtime. Google is not fucking hard bro even for an old fuck like you.

Believe it or fucking not, 60K is greater than the median HOUSEHOLD income in the USA. Two people making that puts you into comfortably middle class -- and in the 85% nationwide. You can live on that in the mountains, ski a shit ton, and not become an old-bitter wish-I-had.

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Ok then, fine. Finally, some numbers. Now, hers numbers back. A home in high country, how much? A crappy old eighties two bedroom condo with high common fees within decent driving distance to good skiing and, well, civilization? Let's start at about 350,000, to be kind, maybe 400,000. A house? Oh boy, in most decent ski towns that you would actually want to live, unless, of course, you're happy with the female sheep out in the back yard, oh, well, half million for crap, and then work your way up? Sure, there's fixer uppers, if you like to fixer upper all the time. Good luck with that. Ok, so, let's settle at around 500,000 for a home. Not even going near rent, because we started this whole thing about being a poor 50 year old, right? You don't want to be in the insane mountain rental market as a poor, broken down 50 year old. Not good. So, that's a big nut to cover, a half mil house. Needs at least 50 grand to start, lots monthly for the loan and taxes and upkeep. Winter is hard on homes. Then there's the good car you're going to need, pretty new, because beaters are almost dangerous in the mountains. You can die broken down somewhere. Ok, then there's the skis and clothes and tickets and all the others shit you need to ski, because, hell, that's why you're there, right? That shit isn't cheap. Then there's the usual stuff. Like, food. Maybe cable. Gotta have cable. You won't be out partying every night. Gotta pay the mortgage, right? Shots are expensive.

So, you tell me. Does 60 grand cover that? 100 grand? Remember the IRS, dudes, they're first in line.

Of course it doesn't.

Because, if you survive and pay off the house, you won't have Jack when you're old, except for a crappy old house, like the rest of America right now. So, you wanna be 65, poor, still working, in a place made for young people and tourists? No.

get facts benny!!

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ops, first one posted was wrong one, that was 1/4 share at $145k. wrong copy and paste

This is more real

http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...2_M25722-66564

older home but no worse than what I started with in the burbs and fixed up nicely over the years and have a ton of equity.
http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...2_M25951-81970

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

You people are something, really. You can't hide your cluelessness. Does anybody have a real job?

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Oh please, if someone admitted to "real employment" you'd pounce at the opportunity to label them a cube monkey.

Nobody is good enough for your standards

Here is an example of what I mean when I feel that the tax revenue generated by tourists and second home owners generally benefits tourists and second home owners

http://www.skyhidailynews.com/news/a...ction-updates/

These two projects are generally opposed by full time residents of Winter Park. There is a perfectly viable Safeway three miles down the road. By admission, it's primary purpose is to be a catalyst for development which places an increasing burden on publicly funded infrastructure. I'd love to see some type of analysis on the net tax benefit.

Back to transportation. What is a good example of a mountain community that has a viable public transportation system? Not just a mechanism to get wallets to ticket windows but one that allows a resident to get to and from work reasonably efficiently. Steamboat and the RFV seems pretty good put I'd like the opinion of someone that actually lives there.

Benny, have you admitted that you have no idea about what you are talking about or are you still waiting for Meadow Skipper's audited financials.

There's a whole lot of keeping up with the Jones's in there Benny. Most mtn folks don't give a shit about that game.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Does anybody have a real job?

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Possibly the douchiest thing ever written on TGR, and presumptuous as hell. What's the most money you ever made in a year Benny? And don't lie too much, otherwise you'd have your own place in Summit county instead of visiting each year.

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Originally Posted by AdironRider

There's a whole lot of keeping up with the Jones's in there Benny. Most mtn folks don't give a shit about that game.

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Nope, seriously. Just a decent roof over head and a decent life. And not living in a trailer. No fucking trailers. Never have, never will. That's my line.

A new car because you might die if it breaks down is pretty much the definition of keeping up with the Jones's.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

No, really, cut the bullshit. Tell me how it's possible. Bring something better. I fantasized about it for twenty years, like almost everybody on this board does, and, for the life of me, could not figure out how to do it. Maybe because my inheritance was a small coin collection?

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I got no inheartance either bunny

you couldn't do it cause your a pussy and have no balls

I moved to the mountains at age 21 and never looked back, camped out, squatted in cabins, got hundred day seasons in year after year, lifes not much different, I just don't spend much money like they do in suburbia city living

it's a lifestyle that you take on, living in a mountain town, dealing with tourists, looking for deals, you name it, a guy like me never pays retail

I made less than 40k last year after taxes, I do all kinds of fun shit, take vacations, you name it, looking at buying a 4 thousand dollar mountain bike in the next couple weeks, I'm never broke never waiting for the next paycheck

mountain towns are all about the hook up, the deal, not spending money on dumb shit, not wasting money, sure I'm the guy at the bar getting free food, free drinks, free eveything or half price while dumb fucks like you pay double. Happy hour? who needs that I pay a dollar a beer all the time, a buddy of mine is a chef and they closed the resturant for a wedding, and sure enough there was alot of left over uncooked food, loaded my cooler up bro and boy was that stuff top notch, a friend cleans houses and gives me endless left overs

my cost of living is so low it's not even funny, but thats a choice, how I live isn't as posh as your westchester posh down state sububan living, but it works for me

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Originally Posted by AdironRider

There's a whole lot of keeping up with the Jones's in there Benny. Most mtn folks don't give a shit about that game.

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Read more like petty self justification for his bitter old fuckeryness to me... He never had the balls to do anything other than go on a vacation or two and stuff his pockets with breakfast buffet... or worry about the existence of a metric GPS system.

Benny, your numbers are unrealistic. Correct me if I'm wrong but the question is, "how do you afford to be somewhat comfortable financially in the mountains" not "how can Benny afford his dream of lots of culture, no crowds and not going to the laundry mat"

Here is a 5 y.o 1/2 duplex with a garage 10 minutes from the town of Winter Park for $350K. http://mojorealestate.vflyer.com/hom...home/315375002
Explain to me how that is unobtainable by any metric. Just admit that you are not willing to make the sacrifices to make it happen. The viability has nothing to do with trust funds or eating frozen pizzas 365.

Your numbers are off Bunny. Locals wait and buy when the market is right. Dont have cable, that is for people who dont have anything better to do like east coasters. We are all spancered so gear isnt an issue. Job buys our ski passes. My truck is old enough to drink and drives great in the snow. Our house was built in Y2k and is nicer than yours for less money. Oh, we drink for free too.

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Originally Posted by fastfred

bunny please call me when you get back to summit county this winter we need to hang out and talk so I can show you what life is really like

sure I've got two fifty something alcoholic nieghbors who drink day and nite been here since they were twenty, they pop every pill imaginable to keep their cholesteral bad blood pressure and many other issues at bay, but there are just as many fuck ups like them all across this great country

SO YOU ARE RIGHT!

your prolly right about me too, BUT I"M MACHO ABOUT IT BRO, I can only type with so many fingers cause I'm missing some, got a bad knee, I don't have dick to my name, every time I goto the vail valley surgery center, I can't get over how FUCKING NICE the place is, it's like a five star hotel nice! I leave every time babbling to the hot nurses that I love this place and can't wait to come back. Cause I always know I'm one step away from doing something stupid and getting hurt

I've made so many bad decisions in life it's not even funny, but hey guys like you keep me in check

so tonight while I'm sitting down to have my twin lobster dinner I'll think of you and how bad you suck at road riding and skiing and how awesome my life really is

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they have Red Lobster in Vail?

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Originally Posted by AdironRider

I feel like it is all relative. It was probably expensive for them at the time.

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It was, for sure. And there was no economy at all back then, so it may have actually been less affordable. But speaking to Summit's point, there are people who made it work and aren't exactly going to be living under a bridge when they're old.

Well as you toot about all the time about not owning fancy overpriced cars, wasting money etc...guess what other people might also have figured out that novel fucking idea.

I recognize that I could have a much nicer home elsewhere but that's not what's driving the decision for me.

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Originally Posted by shredgnar

Your numbers are off Bunny. Locals wait and buy when the market is right. Dont have cable, that is for people who dont have anything better to do like east coasters. We are all spancered so gear isnt an issue. Job buys our ski passes. My truck is old enough to drink and drives great in the snow. Our house was built in Y2k and is nicer than yours for less money. Oh, we drink for free too.

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Yeah, the drinking for free part is why owning a restaraunts or bar is a bad idea.

Sponsored. Ha.

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Originally Posted by BFD

they have Red Lobster in Vail?

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lakewood wadsworth blvd

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Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles

Here is an example of what I mean when I feel that the tax revenue generated by tourists and second home owners generally benefits tourists and second home owners

http://www.skyhidailynews.com/news/a...ction-updates/

These two projects are generally opposed by full time residents of Winter Park. There is a perfectly viable Safeway three miles down the road. By admission, it's primary purpose is to be a catalyst for development which places an increasing burden on publicly funded infrastructure. I'd love to see some type of analysis on the net tax benefit.

Back to transportation. What is a good example of a mountain community that has a viable public transportation system? Not just a mechanism to get wallets to ticket windows but one that allows a resident to get to and from work reasonably efficiently. Steamboat and the RFV seems pretty good put I'd like the opinion of someone that actually lives there.

Benny, have you admitted that you have no idea about what you are talking about or are you still waiting for Meadow Skipper's audited financials.

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I don't use ours as much as I used to since we live up in SMV and have two little kiddos but I think RFTA does a pretty great job, Its designed primarily for residents and workers coming into the valley, which is why they have routes out to Silt and Rifle, not many tourists coming from there. I'm sure some regular users have their complaints but I don't usually hear too many. Hell we have wifi on a bunch of the buses now, and plenty with bike racks, etc. If it was just the wife and I again we would use it for work and going out a lot more than we do.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

ONeeds at least 50 grand to start, lots monthly for the loan and taxes and upkeep. Winter is hard on homes. Then there's the good car you're going to need, pretty new, because beaters are almost dangerous in the mountains. You can die broken down somewhere. Ok, then there's the skis and clothes and tickets and all the others shit you need to ski, because, hell, that's why you're there, right? That shit isn't cheap. Then there's the usual stuff. Like, food. Maybe cable. Gotta have cable. You won't be out partying every night. Gotta pay the mortgage, right? Shots are expensive.

So, you tell me. Does 60 grand cover that? 100 grand? Remember the IRS, dudes, they're first in line.

Of course it doesn't.

Because, if you survive and pay off the house, you won't have Jack when you're old, except for a crappy old house, like the rest of America right now. So, you wanna be 65, poor, still working, in a place made for young people and tourists? No.

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93 chevy bunny, just put a new radiator in it this summer, kept over heating

when you come out to visit I might let you use my granite and marble shower grohe shower handle massaging shower head, it's pretty basic in my opinion, but bad ass compared to your fiberglass piece of shit shower you have back at home, makes me feel like a million bucks every nite I use it

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Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles

Benny, your numbers are unrealistic. Correct me if I'm wrong but the question is, "how do you afford to be somewhat comfortable financially in the mountains" not "how can Benny afford his dream of lots of culture, no crowds and not going to the laundry mat"

Here is a 5 y.o 1/2 duplex with a garage 10 minutes from the town of Winter Park for $350K. http://mojorealestate.vflyer.com/hom...home/315375002
Explain to me how that is unobtainable by any metric. Just admit that you are not willing to make the sacrifices to make it happen. The viability has nothing to do with trust funds or eating frozen pizzas 365.

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Hmmm, that's nice, I guess, but, I don't want to live there. I certainly don't want to live in SLC, which can be affordable. I really don't want to live in most mountain towns, permanently. The culture is insipid. Deadening. The people are vacuous. Don't get me wrong, they're nice, and we have common interests, but, there's nothing there. Nope, I'll just rent for two to four months out there, during ski season. That's all I need. I've had a taste of disability lately, and there's no place worse to be laid up than the mountains. No thanks. But even if I found perpetual youth, I'd scream if I had to live around ski culture more than that. Dude.

Quick switch from it being financial suicide and cat food retirement to new excuse that he doesn't really like it there anyway.

what a puss.

There are vacuous people in mountain towns just like there are in NYC or anywhere else. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking moron.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

I really don't want to live in most mountain towns, permanently. The culture is insipid. Deadening. The people are vacuous. Don't get me wrong, they're nice, and we have common interests, but, there's nothing there. Nope, I'll just rent for two to four months out there, during ski season. That's all I need. I've had a taste of disability lately, and there's no place worse to be laid up than the mountains. No thanks. But even if I found perpetual youth, I'd scream if I had to live around ski culture more than that. Dude.

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another fuck you bunny

whats with the big words, don't really have the disere to look them up

while you hide from you neighbors in that east coast sprawl and put on a bullshit happy face, my neighbors actually give a shit, they bring you ice, food, check on you, and make sure your doing ok, help out as much as they can when your laid up because of injury, had a friend move in with a neighbor when his leg was shattered, spent two weeks being taken care of, you can't buy shit like that, something people do for eachother in mtn towns

J

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Quick switch from it being financial suicide and cat food retirement to new excuse that he doesn't really like it there anyway.

what a puss.

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Not really man. I got mine. Pension, tons of savings. I can pick and choose now. If I struggled in the mountains all that time, I'd be, well, struggling. But, I'd be living the dream!
I have great dental insurance too. How's yours? You probably need to look into that.

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Originally Posted by BFD

they have Red Lobster in Vail?

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Right next to the Olive Garden, across from Outback Steakhouse. There are many fine dining establishments in the Vail Valley.

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Originally Posted by fastfred

another fuck you bunny

whats with the big words, don't really have the disere to look them up

while you hide from you neighbors in that east coast sprawl and put on a bullshit happy face, my neighbors actually give a shit, they bring you ice, food, check on you, and make sure your doing ok, help out as much as they can when your laid up because of injury, had a friend move in with a neighbor when his leg was shattered, spent two weeks being taken care of, you can't buy shit like that, something people do for eachother in mtn towns

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Yeah, that sounds neat. Living the life!

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Originally Posted by AdironRider

A reliable car because you might die if it breaks down is pretty much the definition of keeping alive with the Jones's.

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Fify

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Hmmm, that's nice, I guess, but, I don't want to live there. I certainly don't want to live in SLC, which can be affordable. I really don't want to live in most mountain towns, permanently. The culture is insipid. Deadening. The people are vacuous. Don't get me wrong, they're nice, and we have common interests, but, there's nothing there. Nope, I'll just rent for two to four months out there, during ski season. That's all I need. I've had a taste of disability lately, and there's no place worse to be laid up than the mountains. No thanks. But even if I found perpetual youth, I'd scream if I had to live around ski culture more than that. Dude.

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You know, I used to think you were just sort of a clueless person.

But this post shows you're really a complete fuck wit. You don't know mountain cultures or mountain people because you've only been a tourist. You've never gotten to know people. I can say that with confidence because you display the exact sorts of traits and thinking that people in tourist-havens hate.

TGR really needs an "don't show posts by XXXXX" button because you're parochialism is absolutely moronic. I'm gonna go for a bike ride in the fall mountains now. Have fun watching cable in suburbia.

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Originally Posted by goldenboy

There are people here (and I'm sure most any other mountain town) who bought a home in the 80's for like 100K that are going to cash out big time one of these days when they're ready to retire. Ski patrolling and skiing 100+ days a year won't treat them too bad in the end.

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I hear that a lot. I'm cashing in my home when I retire. So, what then? Under the bridge? A trailer in Florida? I mean, cashing in on a home in a place where you want to live is, well, bizarre.

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Originally Posted by doebedoe

You know, I used to think you were just sort of a clueless person.

But this post shows you're really a complete fuck wit. You don't know mountain cultures or mountain people because you've only been a tourist. You've never gotten to know people. I can say that with confidence because you display the exact sorts of traits and thinking that people in tourist-havens hate.

TGR really needs an "don't show posts by XXXXX" button because you're parochialism is absolutely moronic. I'm gonna go for a bike ride in the fall mountains now. Have fun watching cable in suburbia.

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So, just put me on ignore, genius. Have a nice ride! Don't get hurt!

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

I have great dental insurance too. .

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Due to the number of people who are unable to resist the overwhelming desire to punch you in the mouth?

Too many people in general. Everywhere.

Ever notice how happy people tend not to spend a lot of time justifying their life choices?

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Ok then, fine. Finally, some numbers. Now, hers numbers back. A home in high country, how much? A crappy old eighties two bedroom condo with high common fees within decent driving distance to good skiing and, well, civilization? Let's start at about 350,000, to be kind, maybe 400,000. A house? Oh boy, in most decent ski towns that you would actually want to live, unless, of course, you're happy with the female sheep out in the back yard, oh, well, half million for crap, and then work your way up? Sure, there's fixer uppers, if you like to fixer upper all the time. Good luck with that. Ok, so, let's settle at around 500,000 for a home. Not even going near rent, because we started this whole thing about being a poor 50 year old, right? You don't want to be in the insane mountain rental market as a poor, broken down 50 year old. Not good. So, that's a big nut to cover, a half mil house. Needs at least 50 grand to start, lots monthly for the loan and taxes and upkeep. Winter is hard on homes. Then there's the good car you're going to need, pretty new, because beaters are almost dangerous in the mountains. You can die broken down somewhere. Ok, then there's the skis and clothes and tickets and all the others shit you need to ski, because, hell, that's why you're there, right? That shit isn't cheap. Then there's the usual stuff. Like, food. Maybe cable. Gotta have cable. You won't be out partying every night. Gotta pay the mortgage, right? Shots are expensive.

So, you tell me. Does 60 grand cover that? 100 grand? Remember the IRS, dudes, they're first in line.

Of course it doesn't.

Because, if you survive and pay off the house, you won't have Jack when you're old, except for a crappy old house, like the rest of America right now. So, you wanna be 65, poor, still working, in a place made for young people and tourists? No.

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I'm a little confused here, Bunny. Are you telling me that I can't own my house? It's been appraised at greater than your half-assed speculation. Oh, maybe I built up to it over the years - you know, I bought less expensive homes starting in my 20s, saved, built up equity, bought up…etc., you know, what most people do over a lifetime. I didn't start as a poor 50 year old, you moronic dumbass. No one does. You don't know shit. But you make a nice piñata for TGR.

Jesus, you're a fuckwit of the highest degree. And now you're claiming you wouldn't live here because the culture is vapid, based on your in depth knowledge from living in a short-term rental in Summit Cty for a season or two. Yeah, you clearly know what you're talking about, you fucking tourist.

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Due to the number of people who are unable to resist the overwhelming desire to punch you in the mouth?

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Heh.