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Maybe my idea of moving assault weapons to the same classification as a machine gun is not good enough for you. That can be debated but its a hell of a lot more viable than anything else mentioned in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldnew_guy
There is a line. You crossed it. Own that.
In honor of stats vs feasibility
Self defense shootings number less than 2,000
Statistically, self defense is an insignificant rationale for firearms
I'd bet the people in those 2000 instances would disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by ::: :::
How do you measure the value of life to come up with that statement?
Statistically, the amount of people shot by rifles is insignificant to those shot by handguns. Are you meaning to be this hypocritical?
How does shuffling the deck chairs to reclassify assault rifles help the kids in inner cities or reduce the 20k suicides?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
Access to guns is the issue and your one idea doesn't solve the issue. Even mass shooters could move from AR's to handguns at 18 if that was the only thing implemented.
How many of those people were involved with aggressors that also had guns?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
What about the 20k people who went out and bought a handgun and shot their brains out and their families? ten x more a year, dead vs people who self declared "my gun helped in self defense".
Can they afford a Lambo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
The force is strong with this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
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Whoa, whoa, whoa…you’re gonna hurt yourself turning around so abruptlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
Ease into the “value of life” thing; you don’t want you to hurt yourself
It’s not as easy as it looks
You are making my point for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker
hey, at least you’ve got fat fuck food in your hot humid Jesus infested hellhole. Oh and twenty something bachelorettes you can perv on like a skeevy middle aged car salesmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
just claim victory again and fuck off bobby stupid
If your point is that we need comprehensive reform to reduce the ease of access to firearms then you agree with almost everyone here.
That one looks like crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
Hall's is opening up this week. I'm excited.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
Do you get to eat out much? Times are kind of lean...
You said that 2000 instances of defensive use is not worth it. That's what you posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by ::: :::
Im just looking for clarification on why that is not as important.
Peeps I know that hunt hogs use a large knife for the kill…Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
It's a question of tradeoffs. Mostly men, and women too, who buy guns for self-defense believe it makes the household safer. Sometimes it does. What tends to actually happen for women however, is guns in a home become especially deadly. Nearly 100 women a month in America are shot by their husband or boyfriend and nearly 5 million women a year report they are threatened with a gun by their partner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
So if you wanted to reduce gun violence against women in the home without making guns illegal for self defense you could digitize domestic violence records and close loopholes, including private sales, in the background check system and then prevent domestic abusers from owning guns as well as require dealer law enforcement notification when someone with a criminal records attempts to purchase a gun.
Well thats gnarly.Quote:
Originally Posted by TBS
That still doesn't answer the question of why self defense instances of gun use aren't worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
I didn't argue it wasn't worth it. I argued, like nearly everything, is it worth the tradeoff? Is it worth the cost? A lot of Americans believe, if they think in those terms at all, the higher risk of suicide, accidents, and getting shot by your partner when there's a gun in the home is worth the much lower probability a gun will be used for self defense. So the question becomes can we reduce high probability gun violence while preserving low probability guns for self defense.
These gun nuts only see things in black and white eh? it's exhaustingly depressing. Although sometimes I wish I could live my life with such simplicity.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
and your pedantic autism is preventing you from understanding that i'm making a pointed dig at you, who has noted the statistical insignificance of certain gun issues in order to dismiss their importanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
that help?
There seems to be an ocd element to gun enthusiasts where they get hung up on a single thing that is somewhat off topic (small number of self-reported uses for self-defense, cosmetics, some licensing thing) that loses the forest for the trees. Because it is hard to encapsulate every aspect of firearms in either legislation or a single 2k reply thread coherently, the best answer is the status quo. The people who value lives more than firearms are merely trying to bring the US from a bloody past where weapons were needed to protect against a foreign colonialist power and return runaway slaves to a present where in any modern eight year period there are more victims of firearm mortality than there were fighting a war against the crown for freedom. This is why we can't have nice things / be like every other developed country.
The needle has to be moved comprehensively to make firearms more difficult to get. The murderers are 'responsible gun owners' until they pull the trigger at a person because our system is broken.
That's how close to half of all Americans feel about everything. We've reached a point where there's an enormous status quo bias across the board. Polls, for example, show 90% of Americans support universal background checks but those same polls show over 40% of Americans think we should keep the status quo WRT gun laws. It's the same thing with health care etc. A majority didn't like the ACA before it was passed and then afterwords a majority didn't support its repeal so now nobody talks about it anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker
And what does that accomplish?Quote:
Originally Posted by ::: :::
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“Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to 9 months. After that, they don’t wanna know about you. They don’t wanna hear from you. No nothing! No neonatal care, no daycare, no Head Start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re pre-born, you’re fine, if you’re preschool, you’re fucked.”
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