To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

Because vaccination dramatically reduces severity and the risk of death the fact that breakthrough infections happen makes vaccination even more important, not less. That means — either way — none of the arguments being made are antivax. Arguing pro-vaccination is elitist means you've lost the plot.

Across all age age groups and even across variants unvaccinated people, even unvaccinated people with prior Covid, face a 3-to-20 times greater risk of hospitalization than the vaccinated. Natural immunity is unreliable and overall provides relatively less protection compared with vaccination.

A large body of research shows Prior Covid + 1 dose of vaccine provides better protection than 2-doses vaccine which in turn is better than prior infection. So if the argument is Covid will become endemic then the answer is the higher the vaccination rate, the less shackled cases are to the severity of the virus’s consequences.

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Word of advice: Never go full retard.

Here's data from the aforementioned Ontario. Explain this away, ya chucklefuck.




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An Example, from Ontario. 78% effective; 90% effective against hospitalization. see above^^^ skiJ ( credit. paulster )

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It’s a question I’ve certainly been asking and in my world it sure seems so. They’ve adopted themselves into the freedumbz crowd.

Mask story:
The other day I was walking through the airport again and there was a good amount of missionaries throughout both terminals, a lot more than any time I’ve been in the airport in the last 24 years. I had the long walk to B gates in SLC. Not one of the male cultists in training had a mask on as i got my steps in. Well hold up, they did but it was always under their chin. Every single one of them. I guess it’s the new fad for the stupids.
Now the women cultists in training (meaning subservient to the stupids) all had their masks on and over their noses. Quite interesting to see their “values” displayed as part of their culture. Also made me puke a bit in my mouth seeing this archaic behavior being displayed.

Because of my complete lack of respect for the Utah cultists, I personally don’t know many. But the ones I have to deal with in various capacities in life, I know of one, ONE, person that is vaccinated. She’s actually happy about it too, trying to get others to get it. I think that’s great! But it’s only one of maybe a hundred.

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yeah up here its mainly the fundamentalist Christians, big familys that all go to the same churchs same christian schools, same public gatherings work togetehr, fuck each over in general, make each other sick from covid and when they get sick they are encouraged to not report it unless really sick, so the while the #'s are the highest in the province its actulay much worse

but on the other hand there are also > a few secular types

right now one can't do anything without a vax, can't go into a bar/ movie/ restaurant, can't fly anywhere, take a ferry, where exactly do they expect all this TO go are restrictions suddenly going to go away ... I can't see it happening anytime soon ?

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I just arguing against getting vaccinated is going to stop the spread. Unvaccinated or vaccinated your going to spread it. Stop the spread/ it all unvaccinated fault it’s not that true anymore. The elitist holier than thou persona just irks me and I can’t look away

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It may or may not stop the spread I am bettting it does but Vax is going unclog the hospitols so non-covid related HC can take place, people with heart issues/ cancer yadayada all the stuff that used to take place before Covid

> 90 % of people in the ICU with covid are unvaxed, so even if a Vax doesnt stop you getting Covid do you not Vax and risk really bad covid/ death

or vax and get less sick/ not die ??

I’ll change the subject. With the new cdc study out there recognizing natural immunity, is there going to be a softening of the upcoming mandate? Timing seems strange

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I’ll change the subject. With the new cdc study out there recognizing natural immunity, is there going to be a softening of the upcoming mandate? Timing seems strange

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Jesus Christ, now we have to rehash the 50 pages of natural immunity versus vaccination? FUCK OFF!

yeah fuck off x2

there is no way to know how much natural immunity someone might have

so error on the side of get the fucking vax

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Jesus Christ, now we have to rehash the 50 pages of natural immunity versus vaccination? FUCK OFF!

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What Teleee said…. And dude, please say hi to deebased, SkiDog et al when the Mods eventually send you to the Internet Happy Hunting Grounds, dipshit. JHFC.

No shit. I’m already vaxxed and just got covid. I’m fucking Superman.

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Originally Posted by teletech

I just arguing against getting vaccinated is going to stop the spread. Unvaccinated or vaccinated your going to spread it. Stop the spread/ it all unvaccinated fault it’s not that true anymore. The elitist holier than thou persona just irks me and I can’t look away

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So you’re a Main-ard? That explains a lot.


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US cases appear to be trending back up - right in line with the 2 month cycle.

g'bye, teletech -

though you joined a long time ago, goodwill is worth a lot here. ...

I hope your family will recover and you can get back to your life...


g'bye. skiJ

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yeah fuck off x2

there is no way to know how much natural immunity someone might have

so error on the side of get the fucking vax

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It's not even an "error" considering the data showing that those who have had Covid derive additional benefit from getting vaccinated.

Thank god im done with quarantine today. Back to the uninterrupted talk of how the booster makes my lymph nodes bigger and posting obituaries of people that may have been vaccinated dying. I’m.going to miss this place

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I’m fucking Superman.

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Use a condom.

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Thank god im done with quarantine today. Back to the uninterrupted talk of how the booster makes my lymph nodes bigger and posting obituaries of people that may have been vaccinated dying. I’m.going to miss this place

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back to your station in life of hanging gutters on other people's nice houses? I, for one, rest easy knowing that epidemiologists and research scientists won't be distracted by leaky roofs while they sort this out so, in a way, your ilk are contributing. thanks for your service!

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Originally Posted by teletech

I just arguing against getting vaccinated is going to stop the spread. Unvaccinated or vaccinated your going to spread it. Stop the spread/ it all unvaccinated fault it’s not that true anymore. The elitist holier than thou persona just irks me and I can’t look away

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You got the vax you also got covid so you were obviously hanging out with people who had covid

Listening to your whining I'm having trouble understanding what you think is the answer ?

not to vax or to get the vax ?

Is it OK to lik toilet seats in the Grand Salt lake temple ?

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Is it OK to lik toilet seats in the Salt lake temple ?

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It’s been a long time since I spit my drink onto my screen 😆

I don’t think anybody has the answer. Except maybe some pompous dentists on a ski forum

Has the CDC changed its mind re: natural vs. vax since yesterday?

CDC finds immunity from vaccines is more consistent than from infection, but both last at least six months

It’s a question that scientists have been trying to answer since the start of the pandemic, one that is central to the rancorous political debates over coronavirus vaccine policies: How much immunity does someone have after recovering from a coronavirus infection, and how does it compare with immunity provided by vaccination?

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has weighed in for the first time in a detailed science report released with little fanfare Friday evening. Reviewing scores of research studies and its own unpublished data, the agency found that both infection-induced and vaccine-induced immunity are durable for at least six months — but that vaccines are more consistent in their protection and offer a huge boost in antibodies for people previously infected.

In comparing the two types of immunity, scientists said research shows vaccination provides a “higher, more robust, and more consistent level of immunity to protect people from COVID-19 than infection alone.”

Coronavirus infections can cause severe disease or no symptoms at all, and the CDC found that antibody levels vary widely from one individual to another after an infection. The report also notes that there is no test authorized by the Food and Drug Administration that would enable doctors and the public to reliably measure an individual’s protection from disease. And although higher levels of neutralizing antibodies generally signal higher protection, scientists don’t know precisely what level of antibodies will protect an individual.

The CDC’s bottom line: Given what’s known and not known about immunity, people who have been infected with the virus should still get vaccinated. More than 45 million people in the United States have had confirmed coronavirus infections, and tens of millions more — the exact number is unknown — have had undocumented cases.

The science brief echoes another study, released by the CDC earlier Friday, that the agency said showed a higher level of protection from vaccines than from previous infection alone. That study said vaccinated patients hospitalized with covid-like symptoms were less likely to test positive for the virus than those who had recovered months earlier from a coronavirus infection. In other words, the patients vaccinated against the coronavirus were more likely to have some illness other than covid.

Unvaccinated people were 11 times more likely to die of covid-19, CDC report finds

Immunity from a prior infection has been a vexing issue for the Biden administration as it continues to push vaccinations as the key to ending the pandemic. Some Republican members of Congress have seized on what they term “natural immunity” to push back against the vaccine mandates favored by the White House.

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Has the CDC changed it's mind re: natural vs. vax since yesterday?

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back to your station in life of hanging gutters on other people's nice houses? I, for one, rest easy knowing that epidemiologists and research scientists won't be distracted by leaky roofs while they sort this out so, in a way, your ilk are contributing. thanks for your service!

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What do they think of those leaf filter gutters? Worth it or not?

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What do they think of those leaf filter gutters? Worth it or not?

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The CDC says that they're a waste of time, because Joe down at the end of the block got them and they didn't work properly for him.

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What do they think of those leaf filter gutters? Worth it or not?

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Ha. It’s all making sense now.

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The CDC says that they're a waste of time, because Joe down at the end of the block got them and they didn't work properly for him.

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Did he get the leaf guard booster?

If only we had an expert in this complex field to comment...

"No need to have mandates because vaccination doesn't stop the spread." But vaccination doesn't stop the spread because there's no mandate. Hint--you can't get a breakthrough infection if you're never exposed to anyone with the virus. Measles, which is more contagious than Delta I believe, requires 95% immunity--which includes small children through adults (older adults got their immunity through infection although at work we got measles vaccine during the outbreak a couple of years ago.) As stated dozens of time in this thread and the other one, the virus will stop spreading only when enough people are vaccinated--including children . We don't know what the number is for Delta and for what comes after Delta, but we aren't close yet.

And stupid me for explaining this shit to every jong who shows up on this forum to spew Covid lies. No one should be allowed to post in this thread or the other one until they have read both from the beginning.