Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

Wow. You retards had a super retarded thread drift this afternoon.

Timmy mittendorf called himself a retard. But we never did. He was a great baseball and football dude for neighborhood games.
I saw him ten years later at the IGA near my moms house. Still awesome guy and accepting of his limitations.

I don’t think I ever called him retarded, but he did. A good friend has a daughter with downs, and she’s super sweet. She’s mentally retarded clinically, but I would never call her a retard.

Much like calling you asshats faggots. Unless you’re gay. Then your just a well dressed guy that likes guys.

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Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

Swedes are SD’ing...

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Sugar Daddying?

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Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

If I have some time I'll try to dig up the article, but I said this up thread (way up thread now) but the Swedes are SD'ing...they just didn't have to shut the country down to get many of the people in their population to do so. They provided information on the virus and let people decide what to do. I'm sure that's appealing to many of the more libertarian minded folks around here...I know it is to me. That said, acting like they've done nothing different during this time is just not true. Their movie theater attendance is down (again, going off memory here) like 95%, restaurants and other dining establishments are way down as well, like 80% decline. Also, I don't know about you, but last time I was in Scandinavia the locals their don't eat out a ton because it's motherfucking expensive to do so. In other words, their default is more social distanced than the US or maybe Italy, etc.

I hope they prove everyone wrong, that SD'ing is a waste of time, and that just going on business as usual is the way forward. That would certainly be easier than herd immunity or rushing to invent a vaccine and get it through trials.

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I gotta tell you, in the news coverage I saw last night streets, restaurants, bars, stores were crowded crowded crowded with no masks, no social distancing, nothing.

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Originally Posted by seano732

Yes he does.....

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...sk-mayo-clinic

Basically dipshit refused to wear a mask while touring the Mayo Clinic, even tho they have been requiring masks since the 13th......FFS we are doomed.

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Fuck the Mayo clinic for not telling the asshole he can't come in. And that's his idea of visiting health care workers--the Mayo Clinic? How about visiting a hospital in the South Bronx. Secret Service probably would have told him it was too dangerous, even if the douchebag wanted to go there, which he didn't.

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Originally Posted by old goat

The meat packers are happy to open--now that the "president's" order gives them cover to open without protecting the workers--ie plastic screens between each employee like Ford (or is it GM )is doing to make PPE (or is it ventilators. Just saw it on the TV and already can't keep it straight.

In more news, the large company bailout plan is being rolled out by the Fed without the guarantee of keeping employees on the job and no increase in executive pay or bonuses that is in the law passed by Congress. https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...-corporations/

If stuff like these two stories isn't enough to convince the white working class that Trump and the GOP don't give a shit about them then there is truly no hope for this country. (Actually I decided that a long time ago. This is a democracy, a country of laws in name only.) And now is the perfect time to ram this plutocracy down our throats--the House can't meet to hold hearings (not that anyone would show up to testify), the people aren't about to take to the streets--not the ones with brains.

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Most in the meat plants aren't white. That's a really irritating label. The white working class.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Most in the meat plants aren't white. That's a really irritating label. The white working class.

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Which is another thing. I'm pretty sure that the governor of Georgia want to kill Atlanta blacks. Everybody has an agenda.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Which is another thing. I'm pretty sure that the governor of Georgia want to kill all blacks. Everybody has an agenda.

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Fixed if for you. Kemp goes to bed every night afraid of Stacey Abrams, the monster under his bed...

He's got a lot of room under there.

Herd immunity needs like 95% morans. Funny how when you talk education and social services, Sweden and Scandinavia are"too different" but in this context it's ok.
Sweden had more natural distancing and I'm willing to bet fewer comorbidities compared to the US population profile.
But by all means, tell us of your internet conspiracy theory YouTube video epidemiology degree.

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Originally Posted by seano732

Mrs. Seano has been saying the same for weeks now......Found this interesting:

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-dr...20a97eb90.html

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I haven't been dreaming about the virus, but when I doze off reading my phone I dream about reading my phone. Hard to imagine a more boring dream.

Dreaming you're reading a post about somebody dreaming they're reading their phone?

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Most in the meat plants aren't white. That's a really irritating label. The white working class.

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I said white working class because that's who voted for Trump. The non white working class already knows the GOP doesn't give a shit about them, and of course a lot of them aren't voting citizens. I shouldn't have to explain that to a stable genius like you.

Pense is high level illuminati
He got the vaccine six months ago.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Just saw a headline saying that Trump signed an executive order to open the closed meat plants. Holy shit. Those poor workers.

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Not just the workers. These people all live in our communities, shop for groceries. I travel to one of these communities for my 'essential' job. As of today a whopping 1 percent of Black Hawk county has tested positive with extremely limited testing...and I was there...

Trump and his band of Pencey sycophants are completely 'unmasked'. They don't give two shits about workers rights, safety, community health, leadership, or anything other than just the almighty dollar.

And what does a little meat shortage matter anyway? We should all have to pay more for meat in the first place so these meat packers are given proper wages, sick pay, health benefits, and safe working conditions. What an opportunity to make that happen but our chosen one is blind to it, he clearly prefers repression to empowerment. And newsflash...there is no meat shortage...most of us eat too much meat anyway and we have massive cold storage in this country.

To be clear, I am keenly aware of how vulnerable I am to the long term economic and health impacts of covid but in the short term ie many months, I can ride out some economic and supple chain hardship if the virus doesn't sicken or kill me or my family first. That being said those of us 'liberals', who have meat in the freezer, some money saved, mortgages that are by design a small percentage of our income or no mortgage at all, economical transportation that is paid for or not needed, wear home sewn face masks in public just in case we have the covid are the true conservatives. Rising to the requests of our public health experts because perhaps we are the true patriots who understand freedom requires sacrifice. Caring for our fellow workers not just because we know our plight, our lives, depends on their well being, but because we know the difference between right and wrong, between selfish and selfless, between an honest days work and wage and a life of forced servitude.

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Originally Posted by old goat

I said white working class because that's who voted for Trump. The non white working class already knows the GOP doesn't give a shit about them, and of course a lot of them aren't voting citizens. I shouldn't have to explain that to a stable genius like you.

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I'll stop with this, because we've both gone over the polyass line, but, I'm pretty sure the "white working class", even those that voted for him, know that he could give a fuck about them, too.

If you have anymore to say, let's take it outside to the rat flu polyass thread.

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Originally Posted by Rideski

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Reminds me of place around where I grew up, drive up strip club. You pull in behind a fence and get a show while staying in your car.


https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/15326

Looks like it’s closed. Dammit


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Originally Posted by uglymoney

Not just the workers. These people all live in our communities, shop for groceries. I travel to one of these communities for my 'essential' job. As of today a whopping 1 percent of Black Hawk county has tested positive with extremely limited testing...and I was there...

Trump and his band of Pencey sycophants are completely 'unmasked'. They don't give two shits about workers rights, safety, community health, leadership, or anything other than just the almighty dollar.

And what does a little meat shortage matter anyway? We should all have to pay more for meat in the first place so these meat packers are given proper wages, sick pay, health benefits, and safe working conditions. What an opportunity to make that happen but our chosen one is blind to it, he clearly prefers repression to empowerment. And newsflash...their is no meat shortage...most of us eat too much meat anyway and we have massive cold storage in this country.

To be clear I am keenly aware of how vulnerable I am to the long term economic and health impacts of covid but in the short term ie many months, I can ride out some economic and supple chain hardship if the virus doesn't sicke or kill me or my family first.

Thst being said ^ those of us 'liberals', who have meat in the freezer, some money saved, mortgages that are by design a small percentage of our income or no mortgage at all, economical transportation that is paid for or not needed, wear home sewn face masks in public just in case we have the covid are the true conservatives. Rising to the requests of our public health experts because perhaps we are the true patriots who understand freedom requires sacrifice. Caring for our fellow workers not just because we know our plight, our lives, depends on their well being, but because we know the difference between right and wrong, between selfless and selfless, between an honest days work and wage and a life of forced servitude.

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It may be something simpler. A meat plant worker is sueing his employer for unsafe working conditions right now. Filed Thursday, I think. First of what could be many. So Trump could shield all producers from liability with this order. Or not. Stay tuned.

So we will all want to see these kind of graphs at different points over the next few months.

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Just to put a different foreign case into the discussion, this is how Chile has fared.

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For background, Chile has Sebastian Piñera for pres, a billionaire know for his intellectual capacity and management ability, but wholefully lacking social skills, who acted early and firmly. His health minister is tough straight talking huaso with long pants on, a bit overbearing but science-based. Both had been recently humbled by social discontent and riots with thousands of injured, and billions of dollars in damages. The country was just getting into the fall round of protests when the virus hit. A brief timeline I have patched together:

March 3 - First case
March 10 - 10th case (most from imported from Europe to richer districts of Santiago), widespread testing begins, up to 3,000 tests/day. I get into Santiago after 2 months in near-isolation in Villarrica.
March 13 - Gatherings of over 500 prohibited
March 15 - Closure of schools begins
March 16 - 100 cases reached. International travel restricted, quarantine measures implemented.
March 18 - 90-day state of catastrophe declared (a constitutional state of exception), with wide powers to control the virus. Social distancing starts to be implemented. My last day out.
March 20 - Three counties of Santiago and others in the country go into lockdown, and online downloadable temporary transit "permits" are made available for essential shopping (groceries/pharmacies) and other justifiable causes.
March 22 - A nationwide, night-time curfew between 22:00 Hrs to 5:00 Hrs is enacted, and internal travel is restricted, both to be enforced by the police with support from the armed forces. The 16 regions of Chile establish "sanitary barriers" (checkpoints) for disease control of those permitted to travel.

April end - Testing reaches 6,000 per day, positive cases levels off around 450/day. Total dead 207, levelled off at about 7 a day. Some restrictions are being eased, controlled by the central government by county, city. and region, with daily "fine tuning". 50 laboratories around the country are processing tests. I understand PPE, testing and ventilator supplies have been relatively adequate, and reasonably well distributed in the larger cities (not so outside them). A furious debate has raged around the countries policies on the sanitation and economic fronts, but as I see it, things are going as good as I could expect. A good website explains the governments actions in detail https://www.gob.cl/coronavirus/plandeaccion/.

My county, with a population of 100,000, and many of the very first cases, was on early lockdown for 3 weeks, and is now down to around 8 active cases. HOWEVER, the thing is just taking off in some of the poorer, denser parts of the country, and Chileans are notoriously disobedient (hence the armed forces thank gawd). Many structural weaknesses have yet to be really tested.

I went out to shop for some renovation supplies yesterday, and was impressed with most everyone wearing masks, maintaining distances, with controlled line ups to get in, and alcohol gel readily available. The chicks still looked nice with masks, you know like covered up muslims can, speaking with their eyes. This distancing seems to break down the further down the socioeconomic ladder you go, but is still indicative.

We practised our first social distancing event with my brother-in-law today, who visited for ice cream.

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I am laying as low as possible now, but chomping at the bit to get back to Villarrica.

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Originally Posted by schuss

Herd immunity needs like 95% morans.

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Do you have a cite that it will take 95% to reach herd immunity? I am no expert, but from what I have read, it is anywhere from 60 to 90%. No one really knows what it is for sure, or if herd immunity is even possible. I picked 60% because I have seen that number used in numerous articles (see one below). I also made the point that if you take the Swedish numbers and apply to US (using the 60% figure) at least 423,513 die. That's a shit ton. And this is most definitely an underestimate (death numbers from Sweden are likely under reported, as they are likely under reported in every country. I used death numbers today, rather than May 1, Sweden healthier country than US, although average age of US is 38.2 vs 41.1 for Sweden).

Sir Patrick Vallance, the U.K. government's chief scientific adviser, said that about 60% of the population would need to get the coronavirus in order to get a herd immunity effect

https://ski-forum.imgix.net/2020/04/...ax&auto=format

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Originally Posted by The AD

From NY Times story on Pence refusing to wear a mask at the Mayo Clinic:

:D

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Understandable to remove if he wanted to make that eye contact

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The herd immunity figure depends on the R0 which depends on the situation--population density and any mitigation efforts. It doesn't matter how transmissible the virus is, if the infected person has no direct or indirect contact with any other human being they can't transmit the virus. So the number needed to achieve herd immunity depends on what mitigation and containment measures you intend to pursue. If you continue stay at home the R0 and therefore the herd immunity figure is lower. If you plan reopen everything up to and including mosh pits and mass orgies the figure is higher. 60% is a figure I've seen tossed around but I'm not sure what the setting is--continued mitigation or full open or something in between. Just one more thing that we don't know about this virus.

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https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/cha...e-us/19074499/

Four species jumps in 4 months.