What pivot brake width works the best 105 or 115? Also, unsure if should go with pivots or griffons or salmon strive 14 (my dins are 7-9 depending on how much I want to spin). What does everyone use on these skis?
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What pivot brake width works the best 105 or 115? Also, unsure if should go with pivots or griffons or salmon strive 14 (my dins are 7-9 depending on how much I want to spin). What does everyone use on these skis?
Finally got out on the SF100s. Im on the 184 length and mounted at rec. Before getting out, I did a little work on the edges and bases, mostly because of what others had mentioned. Took them out night skiing at Mission Ridge in WA, where the conditions were pretty variable: snow had been falling lightly all day and into the evening, and temps were warm but cooling off as the evening went on. I havent tried the SF110 yet, but based on how people describe it, Id say the SF100 is basically the sibling to that ski. It handles pretty much everything with ease in a lighter and more precise package. The standout for me was how it performed on groomers. I did a couple of top-to-bottom runs on the main long groomed trail and couldnt help but laugh at how well this nearly center-mounted, twin-tip ski could rail turns. Once I got going fast enough I could really lay into a turn and get into several turn shapes. Beyond that, its exactly what youd expect from a freestyle-freeride-all-mountain ski. It felt poppy off side hits and drops, and super stable on landings. It was precise in steeper moguls and tight trees, but still easy to slash and pivot when I needed to. The only sketchy moment was one a run lower down that was heavy chopped up snow. the SF100 is just ok at high speeds and staying composed. Thats its limitation. Yet, there are other better skis that are stiffer and more damp if thats your priority. All in all, I didnt walk away thinking, I need this ski but more like this ski is solid. I think its a perfect choice for a freestyle-minded skier who wants to go all over the mountain and hit the park, thanks to the center mount and balanced feel. I think the Blister Review 100% got it right in saying this ski is precise on firmer snow and surfy in softer snow, which is a great balance to have. Go ahead and mount it back a few if you arent going into the park at all. TLDR - The SF100 is a solid, versatile ski that handles everything really well, with a playful yet stable feel, though the lack of metal (or other material) beyond the underfoot means itll get tossed around more in chopped-up snow vs the SF110.
Agree with the great review of the SF 100 and also the fact that rec mount is only for park skiers or those skiing switch often. Go at least -2cm plus if you're a directional skier and it completely transforms the stability and carving ability of this ski ike the SF 110/MF 112. I've been hitting 50-57mph on my -3cm from rec mounted set on open groomers without drama on my 184cm set.
Hoping for more snow tomorrow and Monday and the Blackops 118 come out.
Its pretty incredible how Rossignal made the SF110 and SF100 so good with a variety of mount points. I was shocked with how well the SF100 carved at recommended. I am sure it will do even better mounted further back, but I feel no need to do that considering how balanced it is at rec (I ride switch frequently, do spins off side hits and drops, some park, etc...but I can get along with a -5 or -6 mount doing those things). On the open groomers and soft snow I encountered I would agree they were confidence inspiring, especially considering the lack material in the ski compared to some other stiffer, more damp skis. I ony had that one instance and that was mostly due to me hauling ass through heavy and wet chopped up snow. It really has me eyeing the SF110 for my Whistler trip next month.Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
I'd say cut out the middleman and go right to the Blackops 118/Sender Free 118 if you're looking for a heavy crud/tracked powder destroyer. It's insane how good it is that and just did a few powder days with afternoon chop in Whistler with mine. Had my BO 98 as the daily driver before I had my SF 100 for that trip.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNazWIcoWA
The SF 100 much better going over stuff vs the BO 98. Find the SF 100 smoothes out the terrain very well for its weight but the 118 is on another planet for suspension.
I have pivots with 114 on the SF-110 and they fit perfectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sashko
BTW, what color of pivots do you have?Quote:
Originally Posted by samp
I am trying (emphasis on trying) to stick with a 2 ski quiver right now and am unsure where Ill be living next winter. I may end up back in Minnesota for the winter, which means mostly traveling out west and abroad. I think the SF110 will be a better travel buddy that can handle a broader range of conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
I’d agree the SF100 are surprisingly good on groomers, but I’m still wishing they left metal underfoot for some more suspension and dampness. It seems this ski is more of an all mountain twin tip/park ski. The jury is still out for me on these as they aren’t quite just a narrower SF110. They remind me of Wildcat 101’s, which are generally an all mountain park ski.
After getting out day skiing with more open terrain and less than ideal groomers, I would agree that this is an all mountain ski for a freestyle or park oriented skier. The comp to the WC 101 is a good one. I think the criticism a lot of Moment lovers have of the Wildcat 101 is it lacks the stiff and damp character of the wider Wildcats and Deathwish models. With that being said, I dont think Rossignal was wrong for making it like that considering the other skis they have. I should note that this lack of burliness may not be noticed by more skiers interested in this type of ski. I am probably more aware of it due to having recently been on Moments Commander 102 and currently DDing Nordicas new Enforcer 99. Ill be getting out a few more times with this ski and most likely looking to off load it on here if anyone is interested (Fellow TGR hooked me up so will let it go for a good price! Its the 184). This is solely because I already have a park ski and feel no reason to have an all mountain park ski...and I just love to try different skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Landob
Having my SF 100 in for a second round of grinding as they are still edge high and not as quick edge to edge or as easy pivoting as they should be. Was on my Blackops 118 yesterday and today and confirmed how much better the tune is on them.
Find they do have a somewhat similar feel to the Moments but WAY more strong and precise on edge vs those skis. Feel they absorb the terrain much better with their flex pattern that doesn't ramp up as quickly as the narrower Wildcats or Deathwish.
Agree if someone really wants a more damp and composed ride, the new Enforcer 104 is the ski. Noticeable improvement over the old one or the current 99 when it comes to stability and damping.
Agree with noslow post below and should clarify. I wasnt suggesting the SF100 is the same as the WC101, but more so the SF100 is not as stout of a ski as the SF110 similar to the WC101 compared to the WC108. I think the SF100 is a far better ski than the WC101. Specific to precision and edge control, I think the SF100 is definitly on the high end (more so than most Moment skis Ive been on). I skied both the Enforcer 99 and SF100 back to back this weekend and was surprised by how similar they were in terms of bite on groomers and hardpack. The SF100 was easier to initiate and produce various turn shapes. If you consider it does that really well all the while being twin tip with a -3ish mount, it equates to a damn fun ski...I should probably just keep it!
I’d agree they are more precise than the Moments. I think if you are looking for a narrower SF110, you should be looking at the M Free 99 or new 100. Whichever is heavier I guess. I may try to demo some of those soon.
I've skied my SF 110 and SF 100 back to back along with the Blackops 98 and was surprised how similar the SF pair feel. I actually preferred the SF 100 in heavy chop as its flex seemed to absorb the terrain better.
From the interviews I've seen, I think they wanted to cut into the Atomic Bent 100 sales, so priced it low and removed the metal to undercut other comparable skis. A lot of dealer and rep reviews are calling it a "Bent 100 killer" which sounds like the goal.
Have my SF 100 going for more grinding today as it's still edge high after being through the auto grinder twice and me spending lots of time hand tuning. Much better but not perfect and think it will after today.
Most of the sale of the Bent100 are driven by the topsheet though...Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
I have to say, my experience with the SF100 is really making me want to find something similar with a narrower waist in the low 90s. Are there any skis out there with the same freestyle and groomer capabilities as the SF100 (and SF110) but in a narrower width? I know there are some solid twin tip/park options, but Im not sure which ones would carve like the SF100.
21 Faction CT 1.0 is the unicorn 92mm charger twin. Made in the Fisher plant with 2 metal sheets(above and below wood core) underfoot, rubber damping tip/tail, 2200gr in the 183cm. A beech/poplar wood core and the same 20m multi radius sidecut as the Sender Free 100/110. Much quieter on the snow than the Sender Free line though and used it for a few years as my travel ski with my Blackops 118. Very similar feel between those 2 skis. Bought backups of them as I knew they were going to be a rare ski.
The 21 CT 2.0(102mm) goes to 2300gr in the 183cm but think I actually prefer the new Enforcer 104 to it as it's tips are better sloped for going over things.
The only one that's a bit similar to the 21 CT 1.0 is the JSkis Fastforward but have heard some so so reviews on them.
Huge gap in the marketplace as there are very few substantial playful chargers below 100mm and definitely think there's a market for them. They are all super light tweener skis it seems on the narrower models.
Man I completely agree. Where is the 2100g metal underfoot 98 playful charger. I guess the BO98 is close. Maybe I'll check out faction. I was going to try the MF99 or MF100 and see which one was more substantial.Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
BO98, SF 100, MF 99 and assume MF 100 are all similar weight and flex patterns with the amount of taper, rocker, tip/tail splay, core materials and mount points being the differences.
The BO 98 has the least rocker, splay and taper so it's the most precise carver of the group with the SF 100 being a hair more forgiving with its increased rocker and splay. SF 100 more stable though and can still rip a carve but not as quiet as the BO 98 on firm snow.
The MF 100 looks similar to the SF 100 shape wise but moves the factory mount back and might be more damp feeling with the PU core. The older MF 99 has the most rocker and taper of the group so more soft snow biased.
Masterblaster would be it. ARV 96 Ti and the defunct Soul Rider are in that realmQuote:
Originally Posted by Landob
I think there are definitely options in the 98-100 width range. Id just like to see some narrower skis (90) with similar profiles to the SF100 a decent weight. Nordica has the Unleashed 90, but it is sold as a ski for up and coming rippers per their website and the weight drops down to 1660g per ski. Atomic Bent 90 is 1600g per ski. Black Ops 92 is is light and geared towards beginners and younger skiers. I understand making lighter layups, but more could do something similar to Armada with a lighter layup option for the same skis (ARV vs ARW). A few that do come to mind that
Id like to try: ON3P Jeffrey 92 (1810g in 181), Black Crows Captis (1925g in 178), and Fischer Nightstick 90 (1950g in 177). Id probably buy the Captis, but I cant find any good info on pushing the mount forward more to around -3. Nightstick really intrigues me as it is a stout comp freestyle ski that supposedly carves well with a center mount (and can be mounted -2).
Saw the Ripper line from ON3P and still very tapered and light. I would look at the Faction Prodigy 1 if I wanted something around 90mm or Prodigy 2 mid 90s for solid, good carving skis that can be had at insane deals come Spring time(or last years if they have stock as it hasn't changed in years). Made in the same Atomic plant as Black Crows but more weight behind them and more stable for way less money. Check Soothski.com for actual weights of Factiom as they are always speced lower on their own site.
The JSkis Ffwd with less taper and rocker than the MB so more hard snow biased and their best carver but not as good off trail as the MB. Factory tunes known to be bad AND conservative(1 degree side) so if I was looking at those I would definitely get a full race tune on them before skiing. Unleashed 98 a good ski but find it less damp and less stable than the BO 98. Great carver though! Unleashed 90, Bent 90 and Sender Soul 92 etc all in that "good shape but super light builds for teens" unfortunately.
Sender Free 100 update-Had mine ground twice before even mounting the bindings and did lots of hand tuning to get them much better. Took them out west as the daily and still wasn't wowed by them so still thought they were edge high and could be made better. Had them ground for a 3rd time and better again but not perfect as I don't think they checked the flatness after and did not brass brush/scotch brite after grinding and before waxing. Took them for a 4th round last night and the bases are perfect now. Just as the tech was about to set edges etc, they had an emergency in the shop(fingers stuck in a pivot heel at Din 14-ouch!) so I actually set the edges and brushed the skis myself there. Lol
They Then waxed for me and I was on my way.
Out today on them and they have gone from a "maybe I will sell them and just keep my Enforcer 104 skis" to one of the most fun skis I've ever been on! Feel as easy as an MFree 99/108 in the trees and bumps yet out carve the SF 110 now. Absolutely floored by the difference yesterday to today on them. Perfect ski for me out west now like I originally hoped. Still not the most quiet ski on firm but that's the only complaint about them now.
I'm happy that these ended up turning out the way you wanted, however that's absurd it took 4 grinds and is not a good testament to the ski build (I have ground mine once so far). Most people aren't going to do that and end up being disappointed unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
I've also had my thumb cut in a pivot heel binding in my shop by myself. Talk about pain and panic.
Agree its sad and disappointing that very few factory tunes are decent from any manufacturer these days. If I did a blanking grind from the get go it would have been solved in one go but usually most skis are good after being put through the auto grinder twice to solve if the tech is not capable of adjusting from defaults settings to just program in more flattening passes. My store usually does not charge me if I am buying the skis and bindings from them and I hand tune and wax myself after.
I am on a single grind myself and some tuning. Got the SF100s out for some night riding. Hard pack everywhere. Groomers performance was solid as expected. Honestly though, Im really really liking them in the park. They are super balanced in the air, have a nice pop, and the suspension is solid on landings. Rails and boxes felt great too. Overall, just an awesome ski. The only thing I wished for tonight, due to the conditions, was a bit more meat on them. I think a touch heavier and a bit more damp...albeit you lose out somewhere else so hard so say.
Agree on the SF 100 damping! If they just did the same build as the Blackops 98 it would be perfect as it would have a bit more heft to it and I think the lack of Air Tip/more rubber tip/tail along with the metal underfoot would get rid of the hard snow noise the ski has. That is my only complaint now is that it does not FEEL as substantial with the noise it makes on firm snow. Never felt that on my BO 98 even with similar weight.
Makes me want to try the new ON3P Ripper Rocker. I think the Jeffrey 100 in the Ripper Rocker model might be a good comp to the SF100.
excited for these since the SF 110 191 on the line is an all timer ski for me (w/ P15).
we need to be identifying what bindings people are using on these skis as that has a huge impact. it’s generally assumed that a rossi/dstar gets a P15/8 but if someone is using an attack or strive the calculus changes.
Yeah I have heard amazing things about the Super BO 98 (not sure if same as BO 98) from a buddy who has the pink top sheet one. Sounds like that would have been a perfect layup for this in the 100 width.Quote:
Originally Posted by westoxified
Also, I am on Pivot 14s. I always go Pivots for this type of ski.
Been following the SF one hundred chatter for a while as it’s a contender for my next ski purchase in the ninty to one hundred width. Also considering the following: BO ninety eight, enf ninety nine, unleashed ninety eight, m-free one hundred. Looking for a fun, poppy, playful ski but still with some dampness and carving ability. This would fill a gap between an enforcer one o four and volkl deacon eight four, both of which I love. Also considering a mirus core in addition. Any input would be appreciated.
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Are you mostly on more directional skis? The SF100 is one of the top skis I've been on recently. I am still blown away by how versatile it is. Yet, it is a unique ski amongst the other100ish width skis in that its rec MP is -3ish, which is quite forward vs a lot of other offerings. I continue to feel the perfect use case for the SF100 is if you want a ski that excells all over the mountain in freeride/freestyle manner as well as wanting to get into the terrain park with one ski. If you find yourself getting in the air off everything, doing spins off side hits, riding switch, etc. = this ski is for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiwald
FYI I might be (might..) off loading mine (have had about 10 days on it)..not because I don't love it, but because I am constantly trying different skis..its an addition.
Mirus Cor is a completely different animal as it's pretty light, soft flexing and a very tight radius. Supposed to be very fun going moderate speeds on softer groomers though.
The SF 100 is the most stable and most willing to go straight if the Rossignol skis around 100mm and very fun off trail, in bumps or carving in softer snow. The BO 98 has a slighter lower turn radius with more effective edge and less rocker/splay so a little more precise and a bit more of a harder snow carver than the SF 100. Also much quieter on noisy or icy snow without the AirTip and more rubber damping. The BO 98 tips not as good at at passing over crud and tail not as loose off trail though. So I would lean BO 98 if you wanted a bit more hard snow biased ski and the SF 100 for a softer snow/off trail bias ski.
See the new Super Blackops 98 26 version is now shipping and assumed it was the same as previous years but heard rumours they might have changed rocker profile so I'm getting a dealer to see if there is any differences or not. Will update when I know!
Carving skis get mounted on recommended. I mount my Freeride skis around - six from center. For example my SF one ten is mounted at - three from recommended. Leaning towards the BO or unleashed to max the carving ability. I really like the enforcer one o four free for low tide off piste. Anyone have experience with both the BO and unleashed?Quote:
Originally Posted by MNazWIcoWA
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Unleashed 98 a great carver as is the BO 98 but find the BO 98 is more stable at speed and more damp with its rubbed damping tip/tail. SF 100 better sloped tips like the Enforcer 104 so better for going over thick crud so I would just bring out the E104 on crud days and use the BO 98 on firmer days.
Just what I needed to hear. Thanks for the input!Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
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For science!
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SF100 mounted at -1 from rec, so 4.2 from center. SF100s and MF100s (mine are mounted +3 from rec) are 100% not the same ski with different constructions - they are different both with respect to shape (widest points), rec mount, flex pattern and construction (most notably titanal in the SFs). The rocker lines seem fairly similar though. The ski kinda differently too - SFs are looser, softer and easier to play around on, SFs have more umph and want to go straight / in big arcs. Both release the tails easily. It kinda feels like they took the BO98 and tweaked it into both a playful charger and a more park oriented playful all mountain ski, while upping the soft snow capability of both versions. I reset the edges at 1/2 on both - the tunes were not great. These should cover a huge range of skiers - very very good skis.
Does that MF 100 have metal underfoot as I've never seen conformation of the drill bit guideline on them yet. Know my SF 100 definitely does not.
Still liking the SF 100 in soft snow and off trail and a riot in the trees and bumps. Not loving the lack of weight and damping on firmer snow. Not as precise a carver as the BO 98 or as solid on edge as the Enforcer 104.
Will compare against the Enforcer 104 when I am back from my West Coast trip to see if it is worth keeping both. Leaning towards just keeping the E104 as it really is a fantastic ski. My favourite playful charger around 100mm now.
wait... I'm confused. which comments are for which ski?Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
Is the MF100 the skinnier SF110 we all wanted?
After exclusively being on the SF100 for about 3 weeks now I really believe its uniquely a ski for the more freestyle leaning freeride skier or park skier looking for a single 100 width ski for daily duties all over the mountain and in the park. That is exactly my use case and its 100% the top ski for me right now even considering the very apparent weak point, which is IMO that it lacks the material and weight of the SF110 resulting in overall less compsure when things get hard and chopped up. Its a compramise I am willing to make considering the number of positives -- it carves amazingly, is very poppy and playful, balanced in the air, great when jibbing around seeking out side hits or running through a park jump line, confidence-inspiring on landings, intuitive in tight, steep terrain, etc. With that being said, there are definitley better skis out there (MF100, E99, BO98, E104, Rustler 10, Anomaly 102, and on and on) for the skier that doesnt describe themself as freestyle or park minded or prioritizes other things. Sure you could mount back from recommended, but if you are doing that it might be worth asking why. Not saying its wrong to go with the SF100 and mount it back from recommended, but its something to consider for people considering various skis in this width. Id really like to get on the BO 98 and MF100 (mounted forward from rec) to compare to the SF100. Also very interested in the ripper rocker that ON3P has as an option on the Jeff 100.