187 UL Protest is 2000g
I think the old 192 Lotus 138s were also about 2000g.
186 Voile Hyper Drifter (158-124-141) is 1700g
185 Cochise 106 weighs 2250.
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187 UL Protest is 2000g
I think the old 192 Lotus 138s were also about 2000g.
186 Voile Hyper Drifter (158-124-141) is 1700g
185 Cochise 106 weighs 2250.
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and cost a few hundred more 6 years ago... adjusted for inflation unless the ARG ULs are coming in north of $1500 i don't think its a reasonable comparison. I remember a few years back, while developing the Mindbender K2 showed me a ~120mm ski which was insanely light yet still skied great. When asked why it wouldn't go to market was told "it would be over $1200 and we aren't DPS"Quote:
Originally Posted by HAB
The BMT's have about a -10 mount, and come in a 186. If the Katana was adjusted to 186 instead of 184, and bumped the mount forward a bit then they would keep roughly the same amount of tip and still plane well in the deep. Dream ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
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I'm looking for something my wife can use. While 2,200 might not be much to a young guy that can be a hell of a lot to an older lady. At a certain point in life grams start to matter! I guess the search continues.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
old news at this point but here are the bc 110's in the wild today
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Ahhh, I really wonder if it will be more like the 120 or if they will give the 110 a stronger flex...
That Ski - the BC 110 - and the new LP105 are the two skis I am saving money for...
I hope it’s more like the 120. My wife wants a pair for powder but prefers noodles and is too short for the current lengths of BC 120. The 110 would probably be a better width for her too, 120 is kind of a lot when you are barely over 5’.Quote:
Originally Posted by obi wan kenobi
I always wondered if skis actually cost that much to produce to justify a $800-1000 price tag even (but paying back the r&d going into it, I understand that)Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
can't a savior come along and make some for just $333? :fmicon:
It’s really because of business margin. If a ski say K2 makes is $250 and the all in margin is 3x you get a $750 ski. Make a ski for $350 and that is then a $1050 ski. Carbon is expensive! Note the numbers look a little like Katana regular vs V-Werks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiwurrel
Moonlight Cruiser is 1300g in 186 with 120mm waist for you looking for powder touring ski.<br>
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BC 110s are going to fucking fuck. Only question is do I get 2 pairs: 1 light tech, 1 alpine. Or just do inserts.
This was the only ski that could have kept me from getting a pair of the new hojis. Gonna see I can get them this year in Austria.
I get that people are excited about the BC110s - especially for touring/backcountry use, but daily a 1750gr ski in resorts? Sure the swing weight is super low, but how much work do you want in variable? I do not get it, but then again all of Atomic skis are really light - so I guess it works well for a lot of skiers.
I get you, but the BC120 has been great in Euro bad snow. We get crusts and fucked up densities, but relatively smooth top surfaces. Not the same as JH at 11am.
I'm also a light on my feet skier and motocross crud vs blow through it. I went to the revolt 104 for a resort ski, but it's not wide enough to really break free in crusty snow. This is after 3 years of 90% hoji skiing (light and heavy). Also toured a lot on my ravens last year, but always wished it was the hoji over 10cm cuz I like the surf. Hojis had to go because they were just too rockered, new ones addressed that, but maybe not enough. 2000g ehp would be my last touring ski till the end of time.
I've been looking for the right 110 touring ski. It's the best width for euro snow (outside of a powder day)
I was surprised how little my ski style changed going from hoji, kusala, renegades to bc120. I think they share similar design principles, just add more tip/tail width (but not much).
They are just easy to ski and don't do weird stuff, which is what I like about EH skis. But Atomic's construction skis so good for me at that weight.
1850g = Possible 188 weight for bent chetler
1950= Hoji weight
I don't care about 100 grams, but Hojis are not available in Europe (under $1400) and they aren't built by Atomic, so the decision has been made.
BC110 is more a narrower 120; rather than a wider 100.
I am based in Euroland as well, and while what you write makes for a compelling case for a slightly heavier ski - you still know best what works for you. I would personally opt for MF108s mounted slightly forward for resort use, while BC110s seem to be an awesome contender for you for touring.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRainey
Fucking disgusting. I’m bummed.
The French and their rasta fetish…
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Gross… And I am French [emoji3] Is it the forza 3.0 and others (raw, gold, black) stay?
hm, guess I was mistaken in that they wouldn't update the 102. Seems like 2022 will be the year of the midfat - BC110, now Ranger 108 (if FR) and perhaps also Black Ops 110 (gamer made narrower, if they have managed to move it past the prototype stage at this point).
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It's funny we call 110 midfats, I think it's right. 100 are my skinny skis :-)
To wrap up my point before thread drift. I skied dust on baked or refrozen crud this morning. I'm not thinking about weight, geometry, length or any spec with the BC120, but the way that ski is put together just makes me want to go fast. I've always been one to over-analyze and exclude skis outside what I thought looked right (did for years on the BC).
They are soft enough to jiggle over the bumps, but then stiffen up. I hit a couple of things now and then where I know something skinnier and heavier would be better, but not enough to make me switch. Revolt 104 wouldn't have been as fun today (hoji would have been great). But the BC110 would have probably been perfect for the less than great snow, and would have skied the 15-20cm of alpine pow available well enough.
I'm most interested in the ski for touring, but the potential with real boots and alpine bindings is there, I'm sure.
https://www.freeride.se/nar-konst-mo...hetler-skidor/
All the new Bents
Oh shit, I'll be those wider rangers will be fun if they are in the FR configuration. Fischer probably got tired of seeing everyone sliding around on M Free 108's with a boner.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
I think this link was already shared in this thread, but if not - Atomic 22/23 catalogueQuote:
Originally Posted by johansoderlund
Official release is today at 10a mst by Chris himself. I doubt we’ll get new info but I’ll post anything relevant.
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Bent 110 in 172 are available for purchase on the Atomic USA site
Anyone with some more info/ pics of the new Salomon boot?
I love the evolution of everyday touring boots we've seen over the past few years. Can't wait to see Tecnica's
lots of interesting finds in that insta story thread
new Line titanal ski
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these Icelantics look pretty damn decent
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Revolt 121s still do not do it for me - too bad that they are not matte, that would've helped. Not that it matters - they will probably sell a shit ton of em.
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Wonder what has changed on the Ultra XTD 130. They list it as "new."Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
I wonder if that Salomon boot would be lighter and ski better if it had a normal lightweight upper buckle and a TLT6 style powerstrap for securing the very top of the boot and liner. the highest buckle being that low turns the top part of the boot to mush and wasted weight/platic in my experience. Good for marketing maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
I don't have a lot of faith in Salomon to make a decent touring boot
Could be a pretty easy mod.
Im guessing this might be the less stiff version, without a power strap, compared to the version of this boot seen on page 1 of this thread with a power strap. But yes, I agree with you. Hopefully that buckle has more range of motion than the F1 buckle so it actually gets loose enough without having to adjust the Velcro to skin most efficiently (or use those whatever they're called TGR aftermarket adapters).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindahl
I'm not much of an Instagram guy, but I don't see any of these pics on Outofpodcast, where are they?
I think most manufacturers starting making good touring boots around their 3rd or 4th try. Isn't this Salomon's 3rd try?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
Looks like a Scarpa F1 without the upper power strap. Take away the upper power strap and the F1 skis like crap. Replace with power strap with a wide Voile strap and it skis significantly better.
I think that's an Amersports tradition. Wasn't there a version of the 1st Backland boot that was lighter just because it had less stuff on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
Oops, I meant "less stiff", but less stuff would also be accurate..Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
Backland Carbon:Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
https://www.skimo.co/image/data/atom...and-carbon.jpg
Backland Carbon Light (100g lighter with flimsy liner, no power strap):
https://www.skimo.co/image/data/atom...rbon-light.jpg
Yeah, it had a shitty split tongue too, instead of the full stiff tongue.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
I put a TLT6 powerstrap and protour LVs on the regular Carbon Backland and still haven't found anything that skis anywhere near as well that can tour as good as it does. My unicorn lightweight boot so far, but lower volume than is comfortable (need to heatmold the shell with stock liner, then double cook liners, first time in another boot... or just use liners with 120 days on em).
Could even hit decent size hucks with it too:
https://youtu.be/xkTiA80rdKs
After a couple years, I did break the shell though where the carbon plastic was riveted and had to get a warranty.
hm, 19gr heavier, but with seemingly a slightly tweaked liner (touring flex zone vs achilles flex zone - could be marketing jargon only) and a new accent color? I dunno, surprisingly not an updated 13/15/17 forward lean mechanism - so probably the same shell, at least cuff. Still, good catch.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_eleven
in their stories - aka their logo at the top left with a orange ring around it. Press it and see their current stories.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510