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yeah, these admittedly sound greater the more info is made avaliable. Perhaps I should have held on to my BO118 a bit longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
bummed that straight tape pull is 2cm less. Makes sense though as thats how the BO 118 tapes. I was hoping for a mid 180s straight tape pull. 182 seems short and 189 probably too much for me. Sounds like a great ski though. Thanks for the deets Pretzel.
not sure I should post this by it self
182cm Black Ops 98/Holy Shred review
Skier
39 year Old
5'9
200lb
Slowing down but formly chargy expert more technical and round than straight and slashly
Stowe/Jay are home but travel around quebec and new england quite a bit
Mounted on the -3 directional line with P15s skiing on a franken Kr2 pro that probably flexes at 150-160 flex.
My goals with this ski was ski that could be skied in woods from pretty skied out to little bits of snow, or even lots of light snow but still shred groomers and be fun all around. I demoed this ski last spring during the ski essentials test and on that icey morning with some spring snow forming on low elevations I instantly feel in love with it.
RUBBER
So simple yet no idea why more ski makers do not use this wonderful stuff. This ski managed the be the dampest ski off the test, while still feeling like a light and lively all mountain twin. it held on icey groomers that day, and despite my best effort to ski into rocks my pair is still holding strong on most groomers. The ski like medium radius carves but on softer groomer can easily be coaxes into shorter carves in slush/wind buff or super soft groomer, and will easily do high angle as carved possible turns on groomer or mix condition. The sidecut does not really try to boss you around like say a Blade Optic can feel sometime. it is planted and stable and really is closer to say a M6 in how it skis a groomer than other twins on the market.
trees with light, varying amount of powder.
Really fun and easy to smear or make round turn. Smear better than expected for a ski with so little taper. In light powder its just sublime and while a bottom feeder is a smoother fun natural bottom feeder. In wet powder its get even better as the ski is stiff enough to resist over bending and sending across the hill, it reminds of a smaller ski version of another ski in my quiver in heavy powder which my 184cm OG Devastators.
Wind slab
the past weekend we had some really cold temps with high winds that shut lifts down for a couple days, after they open we had untracked wind buff and wind slab basically since saturday, and it works well in wind buff but the tail can feel grabby but doable in wind slab. Require more hopping that I would like, and I would prefer my Hoji, or Devastator in wind slab but neither of those skis are as grippy on packed/hardpack snow. I would even say the QST 98 is better in wind slab despite being softer simply due to its much more tapered shape.
Deep light Dry powder
I got caught with my pants down on recent quebec trip where I thought we would get like 6 inches of powder and ended up getting 16-20. This ski worked pretty well and if it wasnt the east with stumps, rocks and icey moguls lurking under the fresh snow I would have been entirely happy to bottom feed, but the ski will surf when up to speed it just can be hard to maintain that speed in eastern trees. I just prefer bigger more rockered ski because it means less hitting the undersnow and shit under the snow. but it was pretty fun.
Video of deep powder day
https://youtu.be/MHpPtGw-6FU?t=114
I felt undergunned but it was still worked as was fun. If I was out west I would be on a 192cm but the 182cm make way more sense in the east for my purposes.
Bumps - tails can feel slightly catchy in really troughed out tight bumps. in softer rounded bump they work great either skiing round, skiing zipper or doumbling. I still prefer a 88mm or narrow ski in most bumps.
True Ice - well they are not that good, but better than many other 100mm skis.
Durability - has been top notch. Bases are tough as all hell not get core shorts and my fat ass runs them over rocks. Edge have with stood little landing on to rocks and they are thick edge than on the more technical ski like an Enforcer, M6, Bonafide.
Overall its pretty good choice for eastern powder/soft snow days and works in pretty wide variety of snow.
Another clip on the BLOPS 98.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cnz3Ffhrri4/
I liked the 182 98s on edge but found they felt a bit unbalanced in soft or variable snow. Too much tail resulted in tails being hard to release but, at the same time, I had to back off the tips to get them to pivot. I mounted at -1 from recommended. Going back another 2 cm may have helped. They have a fairly traditional shape with a relatively small amount of rocker and taper, and the recommended mount point is definitely inspired by park skis.
Looooooloooloool. Oh man i thought it was you. So bushwacka is atomicman is bushwackerinpa is josh. When you clowned me in the base bevel thread i suspected it was, but i deep dived and confirmed. We skied together the never ending winter at snowbird 2008. I saw you on the tram and more or less change for a nickled you. You posted photos of us on facebook. You're in blue and i'm in red. Well i must say you were better than me then as well haha. Hope you're well and nice reviewQuote:
Originally Posted by Bushwacka
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Anyone on the black ops alpineer 96? Nice weight and price. Rocker profile and dims look versatile. I wonder if theyre construction has been beefed up similar to dynastar?
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Originally Posted by chewski
Yeah Atomicman used to someone who posted bad takes on pugski/epic/TGR. So I used his alias to post stupidshit here but I got locked out on my main account so I just changed my name here I kept the metrons B5 because they are fucking funny. Your Kevin right?
You still rip, and can throw backies.
yeah if anything I would maybe even try back -1 or 2 from that -1 line.Quote:
Originally Posted by D(C)
I dont really pivot much and I try to ski a round slow line fast, but I find them hard to pivot in some snow and pretty freaking easier in other snow. I do wonder if detuning would help when I do the edge on them for the first time.
Yup! Been a few years since i hit the park but dusted off some mute grabs last weekendQuote:
Originally Posted by Bushwacka
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Originally Posted by Bushwacka
I had the Black Ops 98 192cm that I used it as a Jay Peak ski as well. Mine were mounted -1.5 from rec. These were gifted to me as the wife had shop connections and got them very cheap. Not a ski I would ever seek out. You're right though about the rubber layering in the tips and tails. Not sure why more companies don't follow suit. Made the skis as quiet as a Stockli. They were pretty fun for awhile. Very versatile. Always heard Rossi's are disposable, especially the made in Spain ones. Mine felt like they lost it after a few seasons. The yellow tooth leopard graphic was pretty nasty!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushwacka
Hmm new Senders frick…just made a complete mid season overhaul on my quiv … went a season without BO118’s in the quiv last season trying other stuff. Fixed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Actually loved skiing my 23’s on the recco today. Need to climb on a pair mounted back a few. My fourth pair since their inception. Heavy buggers. Older I get the heavier they feel. Fun to ski pain in the butt to carry.
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late comer to the conversation and am interested at some point trying -5 total.Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
Picked up another pair finally. Fairly certain that if anybody is tuning /wondering that edge bevels are 1 base and 2 side. Read another dudes came base high a bit. Mine as well but they still skied fine. I’m old and persnickety enuf to flatten them though first opportunity.
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Had my pair of BO 118 again along with my 184cm and 190cm 21 CT 3.0 and 21 190cm Wildcats for comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crystal Skier
Again the BO 118 feels like a heavier, slightly wider and more damp version of the 184cm CT 3.0 with softer tips/tails that suck up variable better. Hard to believe they are that much heavier (2200gr Vs 2480gr) as their swing weight is low with the lighter tips/tails and a bit more forward mount even at -2.5cm(-5cm from Center Vs -6.5cm).
Still like the -2.5cm mount and could see going -3cm for a bit more float and stability. Pivot and initiate turns easily even at the current mount. Very good edge grip and great carvers.
Don’t think I’d go closer than -2cm unless you’re upsizing on the 186cm or ski switch a lot.
Tune is perfect now but mine definitely would have been awful to ski from the factory. Mine were very base high and bevels all over the place. Emailed both the Canadian and Main Rossignol sites to complain about how bad they were(which I’ve never done before on any ski) and didn’t hear back from either.
Rossignol Hero race skis are .5/3, rentals are 1/1, the rest are 1/2 bevels from the factory.
I’ve got mine at 1/3 for more bite but they pivot easily and only grip when I want now after the grind and retune.
Think even more now that the Sender Free 110 will have a very similar feel to those 21 CT 3.0 so it will be an easy switch when those get worn out.
Posted this in the 23/24 thread too-Sender Free 110 starting to show up in stores now.
https://www.powder7.com/Rossignol-Se...-Skis/for-sale
Been Seeing Sender Free 110 marketing pop up all over. After reading up on the tech in the ski, it really looks like the love-child of the Sender Squad and Soul 7. Change my mind. ;)
If the sender free 110 intrigues you, check out the Heritage Lab FR110.
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I'm very interested in the Sender but 0% interested in the FR110. I don't really like zero camber skis and the Sickle is not something I'm looking for. Now the FR105, that's speaking my love language.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
As for the Sender, reading their ad copy for it makes me want to puke. How many "technologies" can you pack into a ski? The early reviews are what make me want to try it even if the Rossi speak turns me off.
Understandable. Their market speak os pretty hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by phatty
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I guess I shouldn't say 0% because I love what Marshall is doing and want to support him. Will definitely be watching the reviews on it, just like I am on the R99 (thanks for your input!) and the FR/C113.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
Skied the new 191 SF110 today mounted -1.5 from rec (Everyone except jib kids should go -2 btw)
I dont want to rain on it too much since it’s a good ski, but damn another fucking ski ruined by carbon, fuck. I was so excited for this one too.
It’s damp, it holds and edge really well, but that amazing rubber ball feel of the sender squad and the BO118 is gone. It’s shaped like the blackops, but skis much more like a sender ti. The tail is no joke too. I should’ve known after Luke wasnt raving about it in the blister first look.
If you’re looking at the 191, just get the squad while they still make it, heard it’s gone next year. The 184 might be cool as a shorter squad’ish ski.
I know a guy who can hook you up with squadsQuote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
Have 3 pairs of 184cm SF110's in my shop if any mags are interested at a 10% discount!
Doesn’t surprise me at all. Rossi is great at killing good skis. They have the tech to build a really good ski but seem obsessed with carbon and air tip bs. Doesn’t surprise me that sender squad is being discontinued. Can’t imagine they sold many. If they would’ve made a 187 it would’ve been more popular. Who ever runs their department that names skis and comes up with the copy content bs is the worst. At least Marshal is building a good “Rossi” ski with his new 110 as Rossi seems incapableQuote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
They made a 188 RC 112 and still discontinued it within a year or two.
Too bad they are so intent on “showing off” the Air Tip through the top sheet as extending the rubber damping into the tip you would get a much quieter feel in those skis. Still would have lower swing weight with the lighter, perforated tip spacer.
Less “tech” on these skis with a normal tip spacer and full extended rubber sheet would result in a more “Blackops feel” I bet.
Found it odd that the Sender Free 110 is $50 more retail than the BO 118 too.
Finally got out on my 187 BO Sender Ti’s today. Pretty interesting soft-snow biased ski. Not as damp or heavy as the BO118, but now understand the broad appeal. Only real complaint was that nearly flat tail. That ski needs a tail like the Sender Squad. It’s a little too locked in for dense PNW conditions. Makes me excited to try the Sender 110.
Where did you mount these? Any thought on moving back beyond recommended? I have a pair of the newer 194 106 TI plus. The mount point has me puzzled. The ski has a strong flat tail and the rear line is at -10. I’m inclined to go -11 or even -11.5. Just looks right to me for my preferences. Main concern would be getting too far back in the sidecut?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
I was sent these as warranty replacement for sender squads which I just didn’t jive with that tail. 191 M102 and I get along real well on the rear line.
Ended up mounting at -4 behind the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by XtrPickels
skied 3 runs on hardpack and didn't die.
Will update if and when I get these in some worthwhile snow.
I'm 200lbQuote:
Originally Posted by SUPERIOR
the 186 118 will flaot well just mount -3 no on the progressive line. I skied it at Stowe though so no really high speed stuff.
Spent a few more days on my 186 BO 118 mounted -2.5/-5cm total back and still really liking them. Amazing carvers, great over tracked out snow and fun in Revelstoke trees. Not as quick or agile as my 184cm 21 CT 3.0 which is VERY similar specs to the Sender Free 110 so that’s expected.
Brought them on a trip with my 183cm 21 CT 2.0 so it’s a seamless swap when there’s no new snow. Same mount point, similar builds and turn radius so feels like more of a “narrow” BO 118 than the BO 98 as it’s 300gr heavier than that ski(2300gr in the 183cn).
Saw a Sender Free 110 in the Revelstoke lift line the other day and was going to ask how he liked them till I noticed he was a team rider with other pros along with a cameraman so I didn’t bother. Lol
How does the ski compare to the moment wildcat? The Bo118 that is? I'm taking a hard look at one on sale and thinking of unloading my WC118 that I love but I'm kindof itching to try something new.Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
Ive been preparing a formal review on the BO118 in the link below, so i've been A-B ing them quite a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by RadSkier_
The Bibby/Wildcat is surfier, and easier to slash, and a little more stable/easier to land when the conditions are more consistent, also better in chalky/breakable crust. While the BO118 is more stable in mixed/chop, has a bit more float, and generally a softer/more playful ski.
Honestly - if the bibby/wildcat had the layup of the BO118, that would be my perfect ski.
what length WC are you using for comparison?Quote:
Originally Posted by rfconroy
I would agree with everything said there, had years on a 190 bibby and now have a 186 BO118.Quote:
Originally Posted by ntblanks
That said, my bibby was mounted a bit forward and my BO is -2.
BlackOps is better in untracked and even going fast in soft chop, bibby is quicker in tight. BlackOps can be slashed, bibby wants to be slashed. BlackOps feels like a good versatile pow ski, bibby always felt like a giant park ski to me in a great way
Both carve above their pay grade
184 bibby to the 186 BO118Quote:
Originally Posted by ntblanks
Bibby is on the line with Pivots, BO118 has been -2 form rec with Pivots and -1 from rec with Jesters - 307BSL
Had the 184cm Bibby mounted -1cm due to a previous mount, currently have the 21 190cm Wildcat mounted on the line (-6cm) and the BO 118 mounted -5cm total.
Again agree with what’s been said about the Bibby Vs BO 118. Definitely feel the longer radius on the Bibby/Wildcat so more stable at speed but needs more speed to “come alive” on groomers. Edge grip is excellent on the BO 118 even on firmer snow.
The measured turn radius on the BO 118 is 21m Vs 27m on the 190cm Wildcat/Bibby and it feels like it. The 190cm Wildcat stiffer/less forgiving but lighter and less damp. More surfy on the Moments, more like a wide carver on the BO 118.
Wouldn’t say they are replacements for each other but could definitely see someone owning both as I do depending on what your mood or conditions are.
I would say that the BO118 is more versatile with high water content snow, like you'd find maritime/coastal zones . While the 184 Bibby/Wildcat is better when the snow is dryer or smoother, like you'd find in transitional/continental snowpacks simply due to the weight difference between the two skis.
For anyone on the fence, Corbetts has the Blackops 118(both sizes) on for 40% Canadian retail, so $569.99 CAN/$420 US right now.
Was pondering a backup pair at these prices and had my Corbetts contact weigh the 2 pairs of 186cm they had in the warehouse and both were around 5100gr a pair.
Ended up getting a price match with lower sales tax on the last pair at a Banff shop just now. This pair is a bit lighter at 4950gr for the pair which I wanted anyway.