Enron founder Kenneth Lay dies at 64

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07-07-2006, 02:52 PM
Cono Este

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Originally Posted by Tippster

Enron was much more than a company of suits. Ask the linesmen if they knew what was coming. Ask the mail clerks, ask the drivers, ask any and all of the hourly wage folks. They are the tragedy, not the suits and suit-wannabes Cono portrays as comprising all of Enron.

Boeing is more than a group of Aerospace Engineers, even if they get all the "credit."

But sometimes its just one bad rivet that takes a plane down.:tongue:
07-07-2006, 02:56 PM
LeeLau

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Originally Posted by CUBUCK

Just curious if you can back up your scam statement thats all? What that has to do with you being a lawyer I'm not sure?

I can CUBUCK. I won't by posting here though.

If you can't see the irony in the lawyer/skiing board comment then it'd be futile to point it out.
07-07-2006, 03:02 PM
CUBUCK

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Originally Posted by LeeLau

I can CUBUCK. I won't by posting here though.

:rolleyes:
07-07-2006, 03:04 PM
Cono Este

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Originally Posted by LeeLau

This is going nowhere

Stockmarkets are a scam.

Lay hopefully rots in hell.

You're nitpicking with a lawyer on a skiing relating messageboard.

It's is the greater fool theory.
07-07-2006, 03:10 PM
LeeLau

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Originally Posted by CUBUCK

:rolleyes:

CUBUCK - I can see you are young and naive. If you want advice or input from those who may have more experience in these matters then being a bitch doesn't get you far.

Have a nice life. This is my last post to you on this matter.
07-07-2006, 03:11 PM
Steven S. Dallas

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Originally Posted by CUBUCK

:rolleyes:

Dude, calm down. He's not attacking you personally. And let me give you a name and a firm: Jack Grubman and SSB. Maybe not all market action is a scam, but some of it sure is.
07-07-2006, 03:19 PM
Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo

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Originally Posted by LeeLau

I can CUBUCK. I won't by posting here though.

If you can't see the irony in the lawyer/skiing board comment then it'd be futile to point it out.

What pretty handy cop-out, especially since you were the one who helped open up this particular can-of-worms by backing up the assertion that the stockmarket is a scam. Which, btw, you did in a NSR thread. But I guess we don't ever talk about NSR things on this board, especially during the summer. Some of us were just looking for you to expand on your original assertion, thats all. :D
07-07-2006, 03:24 PM
CUBUCK

I'm very familiar with jack Grubman, Mary Meeker, Henry Blodgett etc etc. I don't feel attacked, I just think if you are going to make a sweeping generalization you should be willing to offer some evidence to back it up. The fact that it is comes from someone who does this for a living is a bit ironic. Thats all.
07-07-2006, 03:32 PM
cj001f

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Originally Posted by Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo

What pretty handy cop-out, especially since you were the one who helped open up this particular can-of-worms by backing up the assertion that the stockmarket is a scam. Which, btw, you did in a NSR thread. But I guess we don't ever talk about NSR things on this board, especially during the summer. Some of us were just looking for you to expand on your original assertion, thats all. :D

:rolleyes:
07-07-2006, 03:37 PM
BeanDip4All

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Originally Posted by boarddad

I highly, HIGHLY recommend reading "The Smartest Men in the Room" to anyone who hasn't already done so, especially if you think that there was some sort of govornment conspiracy that allowed Enron to happen in the first place (also available on DVD for those who lack the attention span - the book is pretty heady in spots).

I really liked "Conspiracy of Fools" by Kurt Eichenwald.. it was on the sylabus for my Business Ethics class last spring. Gave a little more depth into the accounting specifics/watershed business collapse... and really enlightens the frothy, do-anything-to-win culture that purveys at not only Enron but so many trading firms today.

BTW, Lay was hardly as guilty as Fastow, Kopper, Glisan, et. all of Fastow's underlings.
07-07-2006, 03:38 PM
cj001f

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Originally Posted by TacomaLuv

BTW, Lay was hardly as guilty as Fastow, Kopper, Glisan, et. all of Fastow's underlings.

He was the man in charge, he was ultimately responsible. He was certainly compensated generously for being that on the way up, not sure why when things go south it should be different...
07-07-2006, 03:40 PM
Art Shirk

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Originally Posted by CUBUCK

I'm very familiar with jack Grubman, Mary Meeker, Henry Blodgett etc etc. I don't feel attacked, I just think if you are going to make a sweeping generalization you should be willing to offer some evidence to back it up. The fact that it is comes from someone who does this for a living is a bit ironic. Thats all.

No shit. When is the last time an unsupported generalization received deference around here? Let them foist "naivety" upon you CUBUCK, they are being disingenuous about their reasons for telling you that we are not entitled to sound logic and at least a modicum of evidence.
07-07-2006, 03:45 PM
cj001f

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Originally Posted by commonlaw

blah, blah, blah bullshit

blah, blah, blah bullshit.
to which you'll reply
blah, blah, blah bullshit.
and someone else will say
blah, blah, blah bullshit.
and then someone will say
you suck
then someone will say
blah, blah, blah bullshit.
07-07-2006, 03:46 PM
Tippster

You just described 99% of the NSR threads here.
07-07-2006, 03:51 PM
Steven S. Dallas

Is he being serious? I can't even tell.
07-07-2006, 03:52 PM
Tippster

We totally need a Serious-o-meter here.
07-07-2006, 03:53 PM
cj001f

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Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas

Is he being serious? I can't even tell.

Does it make a difference?
07-07-2006, 03:54 PM
Steven S. Dallas

Well, I need to know to whom I should direct my next disingenuous, unsupported comments.
07-07-2006, 03:56 PM
cj001f

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Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas

Well, I need to know to whom I should direct my next disingenuous, unsupported comments.

It's summertime, pick one - or more than one if you are feeling brave ;) :FIREdevil
07-07-2006, 03:56 PM
Art Shirk

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Originally Posted by cj001f

blah, blah, blah bullshit.
to which you'll reply
blah, blah, blah bullshit.
and someone else will say
blah, blah, blah bullshit.
and then someone will say
you suck
then someone will say
blah, blah, blah bullshit.

cj001f - I can see you are young and naive. If you want advice or input from those who may have more experience in these matters then being a bitch doesn't get you far.

Have a nice life. This is my last post to you on this matter.

Oh wait, has that gem been used already.
07-07-2006, 03:58 PM
PNWbrit

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Originally Posted by Tippster

We totally need a Serious-o-meter here.

Or you can just reverse the battery in your sarcasm meter
07-07-2006, 03:59 PM
cj001f

Quote:

Originally Posted by commonlaw

cj001f - I can see you are young and naive. If you want advice or input from those who may have more experience in these matters then being a bitch doesn't get you far.

Have a nice life. This is my last post to you on this matter.

Oh wait, has that gem been used already.

you need to get laid or jerkoff more
07-07-2006, 04:00 PM
Steven S. Dallas

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Or you can just reverse the battery in your sarcasm meter

The door swings both ways... We can cross the streams.
07-07-2006, 04:03 PM
bklyn

Aw shit.

The motherfucker is D-E-A-D.

If he gets a plot, I hope his former employees stop by to spit on it. If ashes are spread, I hope they all pee on his fertilizer.

The End.

Well not really, but I just wanted to say that
07-07-2006, 05:34 PM
LeeLau

I don't do securities law but I've worked with a ton of public companies. If you think I'm going to discuss personal and professional experiences on this board then well .. I'm not even going to go there.

Vancouver is one of the stock scam capitals of the world; we're not just known for amazing skiing, bike-trails, rock-climbing etc. Speaking of bike trails, I'm going for a ride - on trails that are 3 minutes ride from my door. Cya!

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