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11-16-2010, 11:38 PM
TheDon

meatdrink nice choice on binders, mix match=gangstar
11-16-2010, 11:50 PM
Alkasquawlik

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Originally Posted by tombre2

Also noticed when i got my skis back after having them mounted that they're not aligned. It's about 1cm difference give or take a little bit. Is it worth going and getting it remounted or will the screw holes be too close and possibly cause failure? Not impressed at all to say the least.

An off center mount is definitely the shop's issue. Every single shop tech, from the dumbest to the smartest, is taught to measure the jig/mount point from the tip and/or tail. Unfortunately it looks like you got had by a first year shop kid. Sorry man, total buzz kill.

Iggy- Thanks for the info from some with experience in ski construction.

A-Dad- I'll see what I can do.
11-17-2010, 01:12 AM
otto parts

anybody weigh them?
11-17-2010, 10:22 AM
spaztwelve

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Originally Posted by Alkasquawlik

Hey Spazt, just out of curiosity, how do you know for a fact that they're aren't a sturdily built as other skis? Don't mean to incite, just curious as to how one comes to that idea since it's a new product.

Oh and back to topic, got mine in the mail today. Pysched!

I'm just being a jerk. I'm critical of general cap construction because it ushered in a wave of mass-produced, cheaply built skis. I guess you could say, I'm wary of it. When cap construction first came on the scene, it was billed as a revolutionary new concept when it was actually a way to more cheaply manufacture skis and snowboards.

Sorry for my jerkiness :redface:
11-17-2010, 10:32 AM
Professor

^^^ I feel the same way about the traditional cap ski. I was working in a shop when things went from all torsion box to nothing but caps. Pain in the butt to rebuild damaged sidewalls. But by that time, Salomon had been buiding their monocoque skis for years and personally I think it is a big distinction. For those that dont know, a cap ski is just a smaller torsion box ski with the edges spaced out a bit from the torsion box and then a cap placed over it. The cap actually transmits very little energy to the edges. A monocoque ski is different in that the thing that looks like a cap is actually structural. It is really hard to picture, but if you have ever held just the cosmetic cap from a ski and the top of a monocoque ski the difference is amazing. Picture the difference between a piece of sheetmetal vs. an I-beam.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread about Rocker 2s. BTW anyone skied them since last night :D
11-17-2010, 11:24 AM
nickwm21

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Originally Posted by Professor

^^^ I feel the same way about the traditional cap ski. I was working in a shop when things went from all torsion box to nothing but caps. Pain in the butt to rebuild damaged sidewalls. But by that time, Salomon had been buiding their monocoque skis for years and personally I think it is a big distinction. For those that dont know, a cap ski is just a smaller torsion box ski with the edges spaced out a bit from the torsion box and then a cap placed over it. The cap actually transmits very little energy to the edges. A monocoque ski is different in that the thing that looks like a cap is actually structural. It is really hard to picture, but if you have ever held just the cosmetic cap from a ski and the top of a monocoque ski the difference is amazing. Picture the difference between a piece of sheetmetal vs. an I-beam.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread about Rocker 2s. BTW anyone skied them since last night :D

It would be interesting to see a cut of that compared to a cut of a traditional cap.. I always though monocoque was just sollys name for cap construction.
11-17-2010, 11:31 AM
Professor

^^^ Nope. One more way to look at it. With a cap, you build a torsion box, put edges on it and then lay a cover over it. With monocoque, you build the cover and then layup the ski inside of it. But there is a downside to this, it is really tempting to build the cover and then fill it with foam since it is easy. Unfortunately Salomon has done that on a few occasions and turned out torsionally stiff noodles :nonono2:
11-17-2010, 12:47 PM
nickwm21

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Originally Posted by Professor

But there is a downside to this, it is really tempting to build the cover and then fill it with foam since it is easy. Unfortunately Salomon has done that on a few occasions and turned out torsionally stiff noodles :nonono2:

A Few occasions... or like all their skis from 03-07
11-17-2010, 12:57 PM
Professor

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Originally Posted by nickwm21

A Few occasions... or like all their skis from 03-07

Actually even during that time some of their race skis were monsters. Too bad they were afraid to use any of the same layups in their wider skis. Oh well they sold TONS of Pocket Rockets ;)
11-17-2010, 01:09 PM
The Dad

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Originally Posted by Alkasquawlik

I'll see what I can do.

Thanks, mang.
11-17-2010, 02:04 PM
Dee Hubbs

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZGhYLgVqA&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - Mike Douglas presents the Rocker 2[/nomedia]
11-17-2010, 02:12 PM
Alkasquawlik

here's how to explain it.
11-17-2010, 02:51 PM
nickwm21

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Originally Posted by Professor

Oh well they sold TONS of Pocket Rockets ;)

Yea they did... as well as 1080s. But those skis did not last. Your rarely see them on the hill anymore. You see plenty of Explosivs, Seth pistols and other iconic skis from that generation, but not the sollys.

I have the 02 1080s, the year before they went monocoque and foam, still flex like they are brand new even though they are beat. My buddy has 05 1080s that will keep any shape you flex them into...
11-17-2010, 03:50 PM
gramboh

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Originally Posted by tombre2

heres a photo showing where the edges stop. Same proportions on the tail of the ski

Also noticed when i got my skis back after having them mounted that they're not aligned. It's about 1cm difference give or take a little bit. Is it worth going and getting it remounted or will the screw holes be too close and possibly cause failure? Not impressed at all to say the least.

Mind posting (or PM me) what shop it was? Can't believe they would not be more careful especially with a setup like that.
11-17-2010, 04:08 PM
Dr.Evil

Me want! So what are these selling for in the few shops that are carrying them?
11-17-2010, 05:11 PM
Stikki

So is the Czar dead? If these float, carve and spin better than the Czar are we going to see something new in the 105-115 range?
11-17-2010, 05:45 PM
tombre2

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Originally Posted by gramboh

Mind posting (or PM me) what shop it was? Can't believe they would not be more careful especially with a setup like that.

Comor in Whistler. Went back today & they said they'd remount onto a fresh ski.

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Originally Posted by Dr.Evil

Me want! So what are these selling for in the few shops that are carrying them?

RRP: $950 but Comor & Salomon Store are selling them for $850

EDIT: Stoked to have news skis with aligned bindings. Can't wait to test these bad boys out.
11-17-2010, 06:05 PM
SeatownSlackey

^^^ opportunity for a vancouver mag to get shop form pricing or better on minty once drilled skis:p
11-17-2010, 08:21 PM
TwinTipFlip

Release Date of Rocker2

The Rocker2 isn’t going to officially be released until next year, around November 2012. If you’re lucky, or have mad skills, you could get one of the roughly 30 pairs in the U.S this season; I would assume the number of Rocker2’s may increase as the season goes on, as more people will get them for testing.
11-17-2010, 08:23 PM
noparking

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Originally Posted by Alkasquawlik

here's how to explain it.

I'd love to take them for a spin. anyone know what jacket he's wearing in the video?
11-17-2010, 09:13 PM
Sthlm

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Originally Posted by noparking

I'd love to take them for a spin. anyone know what jacket he's wearing in the video?

Think it's this one: http://www.salomon.com/us/product/minim-down-m.html
11-17-2010, 09:37 PM
TheDon

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Originally Posted by TwinTipFlip

The Rocker2 isn’t going to officially be released until next year, around November 2012. If you’re lucky, or have mad skills, you could get one of the roughly 30 pairs in the U.S this season; I would assume the number of Rocker2’s may increase as the season goes on, as more people will get them for testing.

If salomon was smart they'd have it available for shop-form. With all the other companies selling out (like JJ's & Bent Chetler's). They'd have every industry guy out there on them. I know I would.
11-17-2010, 09:40 PM
klauss

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwinTipFlip

The Rocker2 isn’t going to officially be released until next year, around November 2012. If you’re lucky, or have mad skills, you could get one of the roughly 30 pairs in the U.S this season; I would assume the number of Rocker2’s may increase as the season goes on, as more people will get them for testing.

November 2012 huh?

I do like the direction of the skis from the solly camp including this and the el dictator.
11-17-2010, 10:32 PM
TheDon

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwinTipFlip

The Rocker2 isn’t going to officially be released until next year, around November 2012. If you’re lucky, or have mad skills, you could get one of the roughly 30 pairs in the U.S this season; I would assume the number of Rocker2’s may increase as the season goes on, as more people will get them for testing.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
weird last time I checked it was 2010:p
11-17-2010, 11:08 PM
Professor

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwinTipFlip

The Rocker2 isn’t going to officially be released until next year, around November 2012. If you’re lucky, or have mad skills, you could get one of the roughly 30 pairs in the U.S this season; I would assume the number of Rocker2’s may increase as the season goes on, as more people will get them for testing.

I am not buying this from a one hit wonder named "twintipflip" till I see some sort of source.... Salomon has always loved the mid-season release going all the way back to the very first X-Scream

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