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It's hard work, but there is nothing better than following what you believe in.
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That's why I spend all my time riding pow.Quote:
It's hard work, but there is nothing better than following what you believe in.
Exactly. Devoting your life to politics is like devoting your life to throwing your own fecal matter at a wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by danimal's dead
ML - go skiing for fuck's sake.
Yup, that is what I meant :)Quote:
Originally Posted by warthog
This thread is useless until Tuesday January 8.
While I disagree with your first point, I totally agree with your second.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
Hey, since the subject here is Obama... I'll add a point.
I have just a bit of concern about Obama when I remember his involvement in the whole "neighboring lot" thing. I'd have to go back and re-acquaint myself with the specifics, but it had to do with a businessman purchasing a lot next to Obama's own home, and with timing that looks like he was doing it with/at Obama's blessings/request? Something to do with Obama wanting the lot, but not being able to afford it then (or worse?)... Just seems like that "Old Chicago" style politics?
I am concerned not only because it could indicate something about Obamas personal "ethics", but because it will make an easy target if he wins the primary. Now I certainly understand that Hillary has her own issues of that sort, and being as this is politics, most of the candidates likely do... but was wondering what the mags here thought of that?
Also, other than 9ui11ani, I think ANY of the crop of candidates (including both the Dems and Republicans {and even Huck-a-B FWIW}) is going to be an improvement on the current administration. But I think the politics of the Dems are needed to swing back away from the current corporatism and religious fundamentalism of the Republicans.
My NUMBER ONE hope is that some light is shown into the dark corners of the Bush administration and some of the abuses of the last 2 terms get prosecuted. Not really as vengeance, but more as a deterrent to future administrations of all stripes to NEVER do it again. And obviously a new Republican administration is less likely to do that... and yes, I'm probably just dreaming that the Dems could get it done too! Sigh...
Guilliani would be a disaster imo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2iFh...-a-moment-away
I think if it got into attack politics, he said she said sorta issues, that Clinton has the best team but the worst history. Edwards provides a brief example of whats possible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggO5yY7RAo
Overall, I think Obama got a lot of momentum winning in Iowa and will emerge as the most likely candidate. Collin Power for VP gogo.
Ron Paul revolution
Everyone says they want change.
Yet none of the main candidates represents real change.
If any of the "top - tier" candidates wins the following will happen:
The Iraq war will continue.
U.S. presence in Iraq will be solidified.
The patriot act will continue to be expanded in the guise of security.
Your phone and internet records will be open season.
Cancer patients getting high on pot will continue to be arrested and imprisoned.
There will continue to be illegal renditions and torture performed by the CIA and others.
The value of the U.S. dollar will continue to plummet.
I could keep going on and on..............
but, really whatever you do don't waste your vote on a third party candidate. What a fucking joke. The american people are scared of true change.
And please, don't kid yourself, the Dems will not be any different than the Pubs.
You are right, and we have not the balls to do anything about it. Sometimes I miss my country.
After Clinton I and before Bush II, I might've given that statement some thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by doughboyshredder
Now I just laugh.
At least we'll deal with climate change.
Nothing meaningful will get passed until true campaign/lobbying reform is passed(not going to happen).Quote:
Originally Posted by David Witherspoon
Come on your a smart guy, who do you think runs the country?
Nobody does.
Its ok, Al Gore will declare monday and tear kids apart.
Duh, no wonder you couldn't go skiing today.Quote:
Originally Posted by MassLiberal
no, i moved to NYC at the end of 2002... but that doesn't mean i can't attest to how extremely SLEAZY and what an utterly corrupt phony he is. just a disgusting slimeball in every possible way. ugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by CUBUCK
to start- that whole "clean up" of nyc he takes credit for was mainly a natural cycle- the majority of it started by Ray Kelly. that's when crime rates started to drop, all gulliani did was continue policy.
not to mention all the car service trips WE paid for shuttling him and his slutty redhead hobag mistress to and fro their hamptons loveshack... and THREE CARS of security around julie at all times along with car service everywhere?! all the while bloombergs girlfriend still takes the subway?
And I have been around to watch gulliani partners make him very rich doing some very sketch deals, ie magically getting hutchinson to drop the case to purdue pharma... and the majority of his clients have litigation and regulatory problems.
i would say the only politician with shadier business dealings is Cheney.
btw, if his buddy kerik was HSS, how many government contracts would he have passed along, yathink?
additionally, this whole running on the coattails of 9/11 platform just absolutely disgusts me. Yeah, sure, he was heroic and a good leader during 9/11. Oooh, he was sooo strong, SO bold! Hello? He was the MAYOR of a city under attack. that was his freaking J-O-B job!! tell me any other leader would have done any less? Our country was SEARCHING for a leader. We WANTED a leader, we NEEDED a leader</jack nickelson in the firm>. Gulliani just happened to be there at the time and easily (and opportunistically) springboarded into the national media love-fest oh-so synergistically. Basically using the tragedy as a giant self-promotion = Blegh.
I just think it's uber gross how he's parlaying that 9/11 into a political campaign. His (overhyped, mind you) leadership was a GREAT springboard into fortune and fame. Every goddamn time I see him bring up 9/11 I throw up a little in my mouth. Seriously. Shut the fuck up about it already. Besides, don't you think it's just a tad macabre to see someone play to all of our FEARS? That's why it's so refreshing to see Obama and Ron Paul appeal to HOPE. I just can't be dictated by fears any longer, it harshes my mello.
God help us if Gulliani gets the nomination and save us is he is president. my ass will be moving to argentina so fast. War with Iran and even more of a global shitshow in our foreign policy than there is today.
Besides, have you SEEN what gulliani looks like? Eww. Nobody would ever want to give him dirty sloppy head in the oval office, and that's just is a sad situation for everyone :( :(
Calm down, I'm just breaking your balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanDip4All
Not a fan of his myself particularly for the fact that he is running on 9/11, but at the same time that is what he is nationally recognized for right or wrong and when he is in a fairly tight national race I don't completely fault him for using it during his campaign.
As far as the shuttle service for his gf I really could care less. Pretty small relative to other issues.
As far as who wouldn't step up to the J-O-B the answer is plenty, just look at the way the local and state government officials acted in Louisiana during Katrina...Sometimes a good percentage of the job is just showing up.
You don't have any obligation to like him but at the very least please spell his name right its Giuliani:wink:
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Originally Posted by CUBUCK
yeah you know, i actually thought of the new orleans mayor when i was typing that out and said to myself, "gee, that really kills my whole argument" :) heh
have fun at the rodeo! i'll give you a call in a minute i just woke up from my after-swim team nap
Giuliani = DONE. Mark my words and symbol.
He's gunning for Michigan, Florida, Ca and NY to win it all, right?
I don't think he's done until after the super duper Tuesday
http://counterpunch.org/nader01072008.html
January 7, 2008
The Politics of the Smooth Mood
Obamarama
By RALPH NADER
The Obamarama Campaign Express was roaring down a New Hampshire highway near Nashua when an aide spotted the sprawling No Holds Barred Sports Bar. "Let's stop the bus," she urged, "and do some random schmoozing."
Obama and his entourage poured out of the bus and headed for the front door, over which hung a large sign: "HOME OF THE POLI-BEER: WHERE BOOZE, POLITICS AND SPORTS MIX IT UP!"
Inside the packed bar, the guys and gals were gathering for the Big Game to start. Before the game, however, there was an hour for political talk time. Their eyes widened in amazement when they saw Barack, bounding through the doorway with his secret service detail.
The bar had a big pit, with a huge crackling fireplace, where the patrons have their regular give and take. Obama was ready for some of that.
He started: "I stand for change. They said we set our sights too high in Iowa. They said now is not the time. I proved the cynics wrong in corn country and I'll prove them wrong in the granite state. To show you I mean it, no speech, go at me. Our time for change has come."
Guy number one-"Ok, Barack, you're going for the power in the Big House, the big companies already have the power, how ya gonna make us little people powerful?"
Obama-"Stay tuned. One leap at a time. We are one people. Get me there first."
Gal number one-"You say, CHANGE, well how are you going to cut the bloated military budget full of vast waste, fraud and abuse, when you've specifically said you'll 'expand and modernize the military?' Why, it's already half or more of the government's operating budget, squeezing programs for children, health and all that. I'm an accountant and I know numbers."
Obama-"Exactly. Our time for change has come. I'm going to change the old weapons with new weapons and the old soldiers with the new soldiers. That's real change-at the grass roots."
Guy number two-"You don't seem to have any rough edges, Barack."
Obama-"It's all about the mood, dude."
The crowd was getting agitated and the questions came faster and faster.
"Why are you for nuclear power with taxpayer guarantees?"
"Will you oppose Congress getting pay raises, pensions and health insurance until the American people get the same?"
"Do you favor repealing the anti-union nightmare-the Taft-Hartley Act of 1947?"
"How can you talk about change and take gobs of campaign money from the big corporate lawyers and bosses?"
Obama, smiling: "It's ALL about the mood, dudes. All the rest are details you can look up on my website-obama_is_us.org. We are choosing hope over fear."
Gal number two-"Ok, answer this one that probably isn't on your website. When are you going to meet with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and campaign in the black ghettos-say Harlem or Watts?"
Obama-"Whoaa, give that tough lady a Poli-beer on me! We are one nation."
Guy number three (with an Obama face mask)-"I'm the old Obama, remember me? I was for single-payer, full medicare for everyone. I was strongly for Palestinian rights and for replacing NAFTA and WTO, not for tweaking them. I was for taxing the super-rich and defending class actions. I was for capping credit-card and loan shark interest rates. What happened to me?"
Obama-"Well, didn't I tell you that I stand for CHANGE?"
Gal number three-"You seem to be for everyone, but not everyone is for everyone. Some are against everyone. Tell me, are the big corporations, the greedy defense contractors, drug, oil and insurance companies, starting to quake in their boots at the thought that you are now the front-runner?"
Obama, lifting his chin-"Well, Ma'am, we haven't ordered our seismometer yet."
Oooohs and boos float around the pit. A few start drifting away.
Guy number four-"You're one of those smart Haavard lawyers, Barack. You were a constitutional law teacher. You were against the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. So, why aren't you putting two and two together-impeachment of the war criminals in the White House followed by conviction in the Senate?"
Obama-"You don't understand (testily), impeachment talk is just more of the same old Washington politics. I stand for change. No need to point fingers. We are one people."
Gal number four-"Hello, Barack. I'm Hermaphrodite and I luv your blended politics of harmony."
Obama-"Great! Then how about a quick dance around the bar before we have to leave," he said, humming to the tune of the Battle Hymn of the Republic-"We are choosing unity over division, we're sending a powerful message, that change is a coming to America, it is all about the mood, dude"
Ralph Nader is the author of The Seventeen Traditions
Nader is retarded. :nonono2:
he should be perfect for "we the people" then.
Ugh. Nader is so bitter and boring. I can't believe I got through half of this drivel.Quote:
Originally Posted by spook
Like I've said before...Quote:
Originally Posted by spook