If only there was something we could do...

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Pussies who can't fight... Where do you live? West Side Story?

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Yes, he lives in Jerome Robbins’ head


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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

You seem kind of new to the interweb. I don't care if you are Floyd Mayweather. Nothing makes someone look more douchey than talking about "fighting irl" on the internet.

I don't care if you were a cage fighter on the wrong side of the tracks growing up. Not a good look.

Just a tip bro.

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You asked a question and I stupidly engaged knowing full well what you’re response would be like . Wasn’t a brag or a look how tough I am comment. You’ve never had to prove yourself or really stand up for or to anything because it was all handed to you. You’re soft as fuck with some shitty positions that you can only defend with your guns. Buh-bye.

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

That's not what you wrote, but OK.

I wouldn't ever disagree that passion and its fruits of disrespect don't override reason in lots of situations. Obviously passion overrules reason in sociopathy.

Rage is the passion that obviously fires a bunch of the poorly grounded in these sociopathic ends and I think a lot of it is related to a lack of respect on the part of people that should know better.

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Obviously there's some overlap but which of these statements do you think more accurately describes human behavior?

1. We are individuals who independently choose and direct our own desires.
2. We are social creatures who are influenced by others in forming our political positions, aesthetic tastes, career ambitions, consumer habits, etc.

If you answer #1, would you say the same thing about status-obsessed teenagers?

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

You seem kind of new to the interweb. I don't care if you are Floyd Mayweather. Nothing makes someone look more douchey than talking about "fighting irl" on the internet.

I don't care if you were a cage fighter on the wrong side of the tracks growing up. Not a good look.

Just a tip bro.

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I’m pretty sure that posting pictures of your baby Yoda decorated magazine makes you just as douchie


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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

Obviously there's some overlap but which of these statements do you think more accurately describes human behavior:

1 - We are individuals who independently choose and direct our own desires.

2 - We are social creatures who are influenced by others in forming our political positions, aesthetic tastes, career ambitions, consumer habits, etc.

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I think those options are a little limiting. I'm trying to be nice.

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

I'm not bent out of shape, but what you wrote explicitly excluded reason as part of the human condition. Own that.


I never inferred that humans are purely rational.

Only that culturally, as evinced here in this thread and across virtually all TGNarr discussions as well as the broader American mediascape, disrespect, personal attacks and out and out insane rants are widely manifest. All that shit just leads to more rage and rage is where I think a lot of the dysfunction of mass shooting roots.

I can't control all the assholes, the disingenuous, the threatening, the arrogant, the trollish snotwads.

All I can do is try to listen, understand and show respect. If in that context, there's no reciprocity, yeah, fuck it, I write them off as unable to engage and try to keep to the track.

I still think that America as a culture is losing it's ability to extend basic respects.

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Originally Posted by mcphee

You asked a question and I stupidly engaged knowing full well what you’re response would be like . Wasn’t a brag or a look how tough I am comment. You’ve never had to prove yourself or really stand up for or to anything because it was all handed to you. You’re soft as fuck with some shitty positions that you can only defend with your guns. Buh-bye.

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I guess if Im soft as fuck... then you are "hard as fuck" amirite? Get over yourself.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

There's an ignore function.

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You seem to offer some interesting thoughts on others topics, but from my perspective your only goal whenever this topic comes up is to gaslight and troll people and derail the conversation.

Which is fine, your choice, but it’s really obvious.

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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

I’m pretty sure that posting pictures of your baby Yoda decorated magazine makes you just as douchie


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Not even close. Talking about punching people in the face through your anonymous ski forum handle is about as douchey as it comes.

Kudos for not calling a magazine a "semi automatic".

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

Right. The hard part is to not be like them, really fucking hard.

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I’m an asshole on the internet, probably in real life too, however, I will go out of my way to treat people decently and with compassion in my day to day interactions and don’t find it difficult to behave like a decent human being


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I’m an asshole on the internet, probably in real life too, however, I will go out of my way to treat people decently and with compassion in my day to day interactions and don’t find it difficult to behave like a decent human being


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Same.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Not even close. Talking about punching people in the face through your anonymous ski forum handle is about as douchey as it comes.

Kudos for not calling a magazine a "semi automatic".

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We’ll agree to disagree on that


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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

We’ll agree to disagree on that


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Regardless of what type of magazines I like to buy, I seriously doubt any of you would have an issue with me in real life. Regardless of what we might think, this type of forum removes a level of decorum that is present in real life. I also think thats why places like this offer a level of cathartic release from normal, every day interactions.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Regardless of what type of magazines I like to buy, I seriously doubt any of you would have an issue with me in real life. Regardless of what we might think, this type of forum removes a level of decorum that is present in real life. I also think thats why places like this offer a level of cathartic release from normal, every day interactions.

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I don't believe in the (behavioral) distinctions between online and irl.

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

I don't believe in the (behavioral) distinctions between online and irl.

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It’s a cop-out used by cowards. “It’s just a prank, bro”

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It’s a cop-out used by cowards. “It’s just a prank, bro”

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The real ones meet at Home Depot.

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I'm trying to be nice.

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So my theory is:

"Things spiral out control when one group or one person hierarchically tries to dominate another into submission. In response the behavior is imitated and returned ‘with interest’ i.e., with greater force."

And your theory is:

"Only that culturally, as evinced here in this thread and across virtually all TGNarr discussions as well as the broader American mediascape, disrespect, personal attacks and out and out insane rants are widely manifest. All that shit just leads to more rage and rage is where I think a lot of the dysfunction of mass shooting roots."

That's the sameness I'm talking about. We're both describing how things spiral out control. You're "trying to be nice" but there's a conflict. The conflict isn't because we have a big substantive disagreement. Disrespect and dominance are synonymous in this context. It's because you "try to listen, understand and show respect" but even so my position is somehow disrespectful.

If I don't reciprocate by acknowledging your theory is clearly superior then "yeah, fuck it, I write them off." That's the paradox of demanding distinct recognition, that small differences cause conflict because of hypersensitivity to details of differentiation.

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One guy after 911 tried to sneak an incendiary device past security in his shoe. Now, over 20 years later, we are still taking off our shoes to go through security.

So just to be clear. I'm convinced that the negative impacts of all these guns being so easily obtained by non felon US citizens pretty greatly outweighs the benefits if us having such easy access to guns, especially semi auto high body count designed systems. A big part of that is the unintentional arming of our kids and the true criminals due to not property securing them..

Even without that, the damage done when people lose their minds in workplace or domestic situations is not worth the benefit of me feeling a little more secure having weapons available to feel safe and to have fun with.

Still, I'm not going to give mine up unless we all give all of them up together.

Is there anyone who really believes the costs of these relatively low probability but high visibility tragedies added in with the road rage, workplace, and domestic murders are really worth the benefits of personally feeling safer driving to Walmart or sitting at home?

It's irrational but I admit to being at least a part of the problem. This is why we need representation making decisions for us we'd not make personally without some threat of legal consequences for not complying with what's best for the community versus what we'd prefer personally.

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It’s a cop-out used by cowards. “It’s just a prank, bro”

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No, I’m an asshole in real life but if you meet me I’ll be courteous and generous to most anyone.


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So, yeah, I don't understand gun passion. I got over liking guns. I have yet to read a single reason why guns shouldn't be more tightly regulated in America. The reasonable gun people I know are more or less for very stringent regulations on assault guns.

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<5% of the US own half the guns, why would or should you understand? Guns are the US dystopia of unaccountable violence and the utopia of freedom and material wealth combined

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One guy after 911 tried to sneak an incendiary device past security in his shoe. Now, over 20 years later, we are still taking off our shoes to go through security.

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And when that worked they sent the underwear bomber with a half-assed bomb: now we have strip-search machines. (Which entitle the smuggler to opt-out if preferred, so they got a two-fer on that one.)

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

So my theory is:

"Things spiral out control when one group or one person hierarchically tries to dominate another into submission. In response the behavior is imitated and returned ‘with interest’ i.e., with greater force."

And your theory is:

"Only that culturally, as evinced here in this thread and across virtually all TGNarr discussions as well as the broader American mediascape, disrespect, personal attacks and out and out insane rants are widely manifest. All that shit just leads to more rage and rage is where I think a lot of the dysfunction of mass shooting roots."

That's the sameness I'm talking about. We're both describing how things spiral out control. You're "trying to be nice" but there's a conflict. The conflict isn't because we have a big substantive disagreement. Disrespect and dominance are synonymous in this context. It's because you "try to listen, understand and show respect" but even so my position is somehow disrespectful.

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Your partitioning of options is overly simplistic. Some dominance is logical, that is, better reasoned, at least for a while until some polemic becomes paradigm.
Are you actually claiming I find your positioning disrespectful? Isn't that just a little presumptive? Maybe you misunderstood.

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If I don't reciprocate by acknowledging your theory is clearly superior then "yeah, fuck it, I write them off." That's the paradox of demanding distinct recognition, that small differences cause conflict because of hypersensitivity to details of differentiation.

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I generally don't find this exchange disrespectful, but I don't accept it either.
I don't think you understand what I mean when I write something or someone off. It means I don't bother with them, either because I'm tired, or tired of them or find their conduct childish.

Again, it's extending sufficient respect, at least for a while, to listen to try and understand differences, not necessarily eradicate them, that I think American culture is losing.