Iran Nuclear Situation (Recent SCARY Developments NSR)

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Originally Posted by hemas

Mr. Gyptian, I'm sure people get your point, even if you just post it once...

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that was fucking weird.

I apologize for the career snipe gyptian, that was uncalled for. Political discussion can sometimes get me a little heated, and causes everyone to say things that they regret.

I'm not saying that Tehran isn't absolutely batshit crazy. But simply pointing out that using a nuclear weapon doesn't further the goals of the regime, and by dismissing them simly as looneys that want to destroy the world plays into their hands. They need to be dealt with, but it needs to be done carefully.

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Originally Posted by MassLiberal

I apologize for the career snipe gyptian, that was uncalled for. Political discussion can sometimes get me a little heated, and causes everyone to say things that they regret.

I'm not saying that Tehran isn't absolutely batshit crazy. But simply pointing out that using a nuclear weapon doesn't further the goals of the regime, and by dismissing them simly as looneys that want to destroy the world plays into their hands. They need to be dealt with, but it needs to be done carefully.

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that's why we would employ the tactical nukes. in the context of nuking, that is careful, right?;)

additionally, that attitude towards used car salesmen is precisely what allows me to make so much money. so, by all means, proceed and tell your friends how dimwitted used car salesmen are. :biggrin:

A nuke is a nuke, be it tactical or ballistic... and thus it would be a 1st strike... I'm gonna guess that you'd not like if there were severy sanctions set upon the US of A.

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Originally Posted by Squatch

When is an atomic bomb really any worse that the systematic carpetbombing of a city?

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Radiation?

And I think the use of a nuclear weapon--even just one--represents for many the start of WWIII. Conventional explosives are psychologically more acceptable/merciful.

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Originally Posted by DisArray

WalMart is a great American company. People who hate WallMart are a bunch stuck-up leftist wanna-be neo-communist bastards who hate capitalism and hate America. Everything they know about WallMart has probably been learned from their peers, by reading Chomsky or watching some propagandist neo-documentary style film. Nevermind that intellectually it is all a bunch of garbage. If they had a sale of Che Guevera tee-shirts at WallMart, I bet half of them would go there just to buy one. Hypocrisy.

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Ha ha. How did I miss this wonderful post the first time around?

There's a pretty simple reason not to shop at WalMart (that has nothing to do with class or politics): it represents the lowest common denominator shopping experience. Some of us actually appreciate taste and style. *throws boa over left shoulder*

But I digress.

OK for those who are using innapropriate analogies to justify Iran having nukes... here is a more appropriate one:

This guy Will at the end of the block went crazy a while back. He took a bunch of people hostage and held them for a year. Over the years Will has snuck out and killed people here and there in and out of the neighborhood for disagreeing with him. He keeps telling everyone what they can and cannot say/do in their own houses when the subject is him and his beliefs. Some gal a block over drew a funny picture and her house was firebombed! Some gal wrote a critical book so Will put a mob hit out on her (the contract is still good)! Will blew up your cousins when they visited a neighbor Will was having a fued with. Will hired a gang of hoodlums to take over that guys house! A few years ago he went over to the Spanish subdivision and tossed a grenade into the community center, killing a bunch of people. There are countless other similar incidents! All this time Will continually says how he is going to murder you and your friends and neighbors because you don't think like him.

Will buys a howitzer and puts it in his front yard. Now he is saying your friends are gonna die very soon. Will wants to buy some ammo for that howitzer...

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Originally Posted by Squatch

What bugs me most is that people hold nuclear anything as The Biggest Threat. When is an atomic bomb really any worse that the systematic carpetbombing of a city? People talk about the horrors of hiroshima but not Dresden.

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True, but nobody carpet bombs or firebombs cities for the last 30-60 years... (well the Russians carpet shell cities...)

While many firebombing raids in WWII EACH accounted for more than all the people killed as a result of both atomic attacks, the psychological impact of one plane-one bomb-one city is undeniable as are the associated effects of a nudet beyond immediate explosion (flash burns, blindness, radiation).

The ENTIRE US bomber force today, even if it all took off at once for one target, couldn't deliver the same amount, or even weight of conventional bombs that were delivered in some WWII raids.

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Originally Posted by Squatch

The same goes for nuclear power: 3 Mile Island was a national horror, and yet we allow hundreds of coal-burning plants to slowly poison us. Mostly contained nuclear meltdowns pose much less of a threat than the very real damage we're inflicting to the environment via fossil fuels.

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AMEN, preach it brother

PS. 3 Mile Island horrified the nation, but it was no national horror. It ended up doing a lot of good as far as making things safer.

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Originally Posted by Squatch

Nukes are nice and all, and certainly more scary with missles. However, it'd be far easier to drive a truck into a major city with a warhead than to bother assemblying a missle fleet. Iran (or any other similar country) getting nuclear weapons doesn't significantly increase its abilities to wage war/terror.

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If you read the opening post or have watched the subject for the last 10 years, Iran IS building a ballistic missile force. Now they have one that can reach most of Europe.

Becoming a nuclear power significantly does increase you ability to wage war and HOW they can wage war + the risks they can take/have to worry about.

If nukes are so worthless why do you think they want one so badly that they are willing to risk a war to get one?

Power projection is a huge part of it.

The whole neighborhood analogy is bogus. Any neighborhood is within a state which regulated by laws and is enforced as such.

The international arena is lawless and is based on loose pacts and treaties, which are non binding, to govern the system.

You are right. I like this analogy more-

"See, there's three kinds of people: dicks, pussies, and assholes. Pussies think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to fuck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your assholes, Chuck. And all the assholes want to shit all over everything! So, pussies may get mad at dicks once in a while, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes, Chuck. And if they didn't fuck the assholes, you know what you'd get? You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in shit!"

I think that the Nukes affect our true reasoning about as much as the Iraqi WMD's did- nothing more than an excuse to go and take care of the dirty work. Therefore, I don't think we should waste any more time on the nuclear issue and attempt to focus on why we want to go there. Is it just for the oil? I don't think so.

I think it has to do with the strategic occupation of multiple Stans and Irand and Iraq for the big showdown vs. China for Kazakhstan and region when the real oil scare hits.

Another reason for our timing is the rapid growth of the Euro Dollar and the threat of the oil industry making that switch and leaving ours to become a rupal.

While the nuclear debate is of course a concern that has been validated by sixty years of nervous political chaos, I feel that the only way we will put our people in the path of harm's way is if we commence this assault.

In addition I am fully in support of Iranian Uranium Enrichment because That can be a wonderful path for those devout muslims and bahais to enter into the 21st century that you and I know. But we all know that the country will be in smoky ruins well before any of those events transpire.

And don't forget who China's arming with anti-US specific weaponry!

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Originally Posted by mtbakerskier

Now, why cant the rest of the fucking idiots in this country that voted for them figure that out?

On the other hand, I woul like to see some of those billion dollar firecrackers weve been building for the last 50 years actually pay off :the_finge

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Spoken like a true liberal.

mt baker skier you're a fucked up dude BUT...

the funny thing is that this is exactly the suppressed pre-pubescent mentality that has sank into the spiralling eyeballs of our leaders (goes down quite easily on the gen public if followed with a tablespoon of fear [telespoon(?)])

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Originally Posted by skieurmalade

And don't forget who China's arming with anti-US specific weaponry!

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This bomb only kill Roundeye!

Btw - I got nothing from "rupal." Is that Ruble? Rupee? RuPaul? Oh, God.... it's RuPaul, isn't it.... Shit, we're fucked.

fuck if I know- those old interplanetary signals are gettin picked up by the bong stem, methinks. I'm guessing ruble, though (specifically latvian perhaps?)

On a related note, did anyone watch 60 Min tonight? They had a special on Hannaford. The disconcerting part of the story is that there has been leakage of highly radioactive waste into the ground and there is now a very large plume of liquid waste in the ground heading for the Columbia river. I had not heard about this. Scary stuff?:eek:

Debates based on speculation are always fun, aren't they?

Dude - this thread was totally dead before you bumped it. I hate you.