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Why does scarpa do this short cuff thing, the quattro is already one one the shortest cuffs on the market, how can the maestrale be even shorter??Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardsSki
Also man the durability of these boots suck, from the sole to the walk mode to the clog to the buckles. Really wish these worked like they should.
Totally agree on the scarpa cuffs, it’s weird. The Quattro XT is everything I want in a touring boot, and it fits me perfectly. But you can’t trust that it will hold up throughout the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
If Scarpa are giving warranty I wouldn't worry
I'm sure they will fix the probelm
thats what happens when you go light
Theyre not even that lightQuote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
It's the plastic, a laudable goal but a fragile eco boot is not eco.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
I'm sure I'll be sad when mine shit the bed but after days 2 and 3 on these things they are the best skiing boot I've been in. Progressive, perfect fit (lucky me), enough beef for anything. Very impressed. And the walking! They don't feel like you're in boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Westcoaster
But Jesus Hercules Christ, whoever's idea the duckbill sole was should be dropped off the nearest tram. Awkward and slippery as fuck.
Curious if the pro will fix most of these problems (not sure about that ankle crack tho…)
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for the abuse they are seeing they kinda are though. People are running them as their only boots, which seems a bit excessive to me - they are touring boots, not one boot quivers imho :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
That being said, they are the best damned touring boot I've had for my needs. I initially found them to be a bit low, but pulling up the tongue fixed that for me - as well as adding the perfect amount of space over the instep. It is a welcome change to not think about the boot much and rather focus on optimizing the binding / ski.
The boots have a gripwalk sole suggesting they are intended for inbounds pursuits, and Scarpa quantifies the boot as a "Hybrid". I'm going to use mine as a one boot quiver except if rock scrambling is involved during spring missions. I've skied ZGTP in MN & pin bindings for 3 years and they have survived, so the 4-Quattros better live up to the hype.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
They will eventually explode, way less durable than the ZGTP. Allegedly the new pro should be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaganSkier
my XTs developed cracks on the lower buckle tabs of the upper cuff, and they eventually broke off. Scarpa offered a brand new boot replacement when they have stock again in the fall. I've since moved on to other boots, and will be listing the replacement pair of new 2025 XTs here for a steal once they're in hand.
sure regarding GW and MNC/alpine binding compatibility, and the marketing copy labeling it as hybrid boot might indicate it as well - but one does not need to be a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that a sub 1500 gram boot is not going to stand up to serious resort abuse over time ZGTP experience notwithstanding. Noodle around, sure, haul and huck, doubtful.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaganSkier
Besides - if they do fail you will get a replacement that potentially is new and updated. The warrenty period should be longer too based on a brand conservation scheme by Scarpa if nothing else, with all the know issues of the current gen.
I guess I should check mine for cracks too - they've seen quite a bit of use. I still think they are the best boot in this segment that I've tried. The fit my foot and stride a lot better than ZGTPs :)
congrats on getting updated boots under warrenty.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingskiguy
Could you have picked the pro instead or was their warranty only for the same model?Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingskiguy
“Who wants a life imprisoned in safety?” - Amelia Earhart
I picked up some of the new Maestrale RS on a spring sale, and they walk and ski great! Fit is not nearly as voluminous as a previous gen Maestrale I once tried on.
Good video
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I haven’t skied in a real alpine boot for 10+ years, so my opinion is kinda skewed… but I use my RS’s for everything and am constantly amazed at how good and versatile they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamtron
I’m intrigued by the Quattro though. It definitely looks like it would be stiffer and more powerful, but surprised by the weight and ROM specs.
Also, I’m a sucker for any Nikko video.
I also liked Niko’s candid video but felt he oversimplified the ‘low volume’ discussion. Sorry to dip into engineering geek terrain, but the clog sidewalls near the sole are stiffly anchored in any boot and therefore Yes absolutely a performance fit requires a relatively narrow horizontal internal width since you can’t shrink this down (and buckling it tighter will not effectively narrow that anchored width).
But the upper instep area is a different animal. It is one of the only zones in an overlap clog that DOES effectively reduce in ‘size’ (vertical height) as your shorten the buckle. There are limits to this of course, and I’m certainly not saying that the vertical dimension in the forefoot area should be tall in a performance fit, but IME the instep area is one where the designer can somewhat have a win/win outcome in the volume vs performance tradeoff.
I bring this up because one of the realities of an AT boot is there will be times you have to put it on when the shell is cold. I have several V1 zero G friends who love the boot but tell me they have to put them on at home or use a heated bag on the way to trailhead. So they have to use a different boot if it’s a multi day traverse or whatever.
I had the zero g and on overnight trips i put a hot water bottle in the shell for 10 minutes, then repeat with the other boot.
Then it was easy to put on, vs impossible whith the cold.
One reason why i now have two hoji free 130 boots. The other reasons
The hoji skis better
And it tours better, even though it's heavier
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Btw I’m not here to shame those with low insteps and low arches. It’s an interesting topic though. https://www.medbridge.com/blog/2016/...ollapsed-arch/
This isn't wrong but as a counter point - I have a pretty low instep with medium arches. Very few boots work for my instep without shimming.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
I think it’s great to have low instep choices on the market. I do feel Niko glossed over this aspect of fit. Maybe he just wanted to keep the conversation super simple and only talk about low vs med vs high volume.
Saw a 2025 quattro in the wild today, they switched to updated lower of the maestrale with the wider tour lock area, lever is also beefed up and the plastic is very different, seems much more rigid. Buckles will probably all explode within days tho.
Shameless plug for a brand new pair of 26.5/27.0 Quattro XT’s that I just listed in Gear Swap for a great deal.
Despite the durability issues I’ve had, I really do love these boots. I wouldn’t recommend using them to vigorously smash bumps at the resort, but they are more than sturdy enough for skiing hard out of bounds (or skiing moderately hard inbounds).
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Can anyone comment on how much ankle room there is in the Quattros? I used to ski a Freedom SL for many many years, switched to the Lange XT3 130 MV a few years back. I generally like the fit of the lower volume/instep of the Lange vs. the Freedoms, but the area around ankle seems quite a bit smaller/narrower and has created some pretty bad pressure points that have actually led to a pressure ulcer on one ankle. I've punched the Lange and am optimistic this won't be an issue this season, but am still curious about the Quattro in this regard.
For my ankle/foot, I found the Quattro to have a very close fit between the lower clog and medial/inside ankle bone. This created a pressure and pain point when skiing and would require punching/widening for me. Best to try on first if you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Full Trucker
very curious about how these perform against the current crop of higher weight boots such as the Atomic XTD Ultra and Salomon Alpha Boa.
these have a more aggressive stance at 19* forward lean which is super interesting to me.
Alpha seemed to flex a little firmer on the carpet test. Can't say for xtd's. Alpha seems like way more of a 50/50 boot whereas I don't think I would ski my Quattros inbounds with any force given all the failures people are having with the walk mode notch. Can't say for the XTD'sQuote:
Originally Posted by tupp_
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Extremely tight compared to most bootsQuote:
Originally Posted by Full Trucker
In my experience, when people are complaining about how any particular boot (Salomon SLab XAlp, Hoji Free) crushes their instep, it’s going to work well for for me. Also, that such models aren’t going to last long in the market. My Hoji Frees still have life left in them, but the Quattro Pros seem like they could be a little closer to that elusive perfection, so I’m going to grab a pair before they’re discontinued. I’d tried the regular Quattros for fit and was impressed, but was discouraged by their durability issues. This seems rectified with the pros, it seems like they’ve dialed in the flex even better (see below) and I’m excited about the 19 degrees forward lean (my only significant issue with the Hoji’s was them being too upright).
Another gushing review: https://www.skimag.com/gear-item/rev...4-quattro-pro/
specs for forward lean:
4-Quattro Pro : 19°+/- 2°/-4°
ZGTP: 12° or 13°
Definitely concerned about too much FL on the 4-Quattros. Quads might be on fire at the end of 3000' vert pow run.
Key is to pair with a lower delta binding to get your preferred angle. Quattro and marker alpinist for example will wind up with effective lean similar to a ZGPT + a Dynafit radical depending on your bsl.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaganSkier
https://wildsnow.com/10733/get-up-ri...for-your-ramp/
I run them with Tectons and they're fine. I had to switch from radicals to MTN on my spring skis because they felt too high heel-y.
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selling some brand new 26.5 XTs here: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...80#post7149980
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Originally Posted by frorider
Hand warmers are your friend if you’re overnight camping with an overlap shell. Give them a shake, let them warm up then put them in between the overlapping layers of the lower shell at the throat. The boot will be butter to put on. Put the hand warmers in a ziplock bag and suck the air out. They will be able to be used the next day again. And again.
New 2025 Zero G Tour Pro is 14° and non-adjustable.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaganSkier
I had the previous gen ZGTPs and now run 4Qs. The latter is the best touring boot I've had. Both skis well. I find that there are two main benefits -> 1) the pivot point / heel section of the shell is lower so I do not get contact in the heel/shin when walking like I did with the ZGs and 2) the flex is a bit more progressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaganSkier
The 4Qs is 100% not a resort boot in my view, but it skis remarkably well given its low weight. The cuff and liner could be higher, yet the heel hold and ankle precision is great - if they fit.
I never thought I would get a pair, but I am glad that I did. They are remarkably good - now I just need to break my pair so I can get some pros. :)
So I had a chance to try on a pair of 28.0 Quattros over the weekend, which would be the shell size I need. I can confirm they are quite a bit tighter in the ankle area than my 27.5 130 Lange XT3s which I'm *pretty* sure I have the MV version of. I also pulled the liner out of each and shoved my fist down in there to get an idea of how much narrower the Quattro is, and near as I could tell it's 4-6mm narrower in the throat. My closed fist definitely hit the sides of the Quattro, but I could move my fist back and forth several mm's in my Lange. Also of note, the forefoot of the Quattro felt slightly narrower as well, but also just a whisker taller over the instep/forefoot. I also felt like maybe there was a bit more wiggle room for my toes vs. the Lange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Full Trucker
For reference, the bootfitter at my shop did some foot measuring and confirmed that I have low to low-medium volume forefeet, heels, and lower legs but pretty much high volume ankles. I have no arch, so my feet pronate and collapse inward pretty badly.
So maybe this is helpful for people regarding the fit of this boot, but also my feet are really weird.
Can confirm. Especially since I'm already punching the Lange for the inside of my ankle bones, the Quattro seems like a no-go for me. Do you have any recommendations for boots that have worked well for you? Hoping the punches we're doing on my Lange are successful, but might need to find a boot with more space in the ankle area.Quote:
Originally Posted by garuda
Like... *real* fuckin' tight. Super narrow, and the way the cuff and tongue and lower part all overlaps it was a bitch to get on and off for me, even in a a warm room.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
I just tried on a Quattro Pro..the fit is excellent, but I'm wondering if the Maestrale is just a better boot overall. Same lower clog, ISO 9523 sole, full length bootboard, instep buckle, less finicky transitions, easier to get on.
I just can't imagine skiing the Quattro inbounds.
Full Trucker, are you saying the Quattro has a higher instep than the XT3? That seems backwards.
I'm saying that for my foot shape, it felt like I had less room side-to-side and just a tiny amount more above my forefoot. The boot kinda pinched my foot on the sides just behind the met head, but felt like I could lift the "knuckles" of my toes slightly upward. I'm not saying a lot of room, a tiny amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
By "forefoot" I mean the metatarsals and phalanges. I think of the "instep" as the area above the talus, navicular, cuneiform and maybe the posterior 1/3 of the metatarsals.
https://www.csog.net/wp-content/uplo...600x480-2.jpeg
Instep of the Quattro is tight AF.