Woman killed by self-driving Uber car

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03-22-2018, 12:46 PM
bobz

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

WSJ reporting Uber "safety driver" involved in fatal accident had criminal record.

For a company that has already had issues with it's background check policy for drivers.. that's going to hurt.

It will hurt, probably more than it should. I'm all for people with sketchy stuff years in their past getting another chance. The real problem seems to be that Uber went bare minimum in terms of meeting their backup driver requirement, that they went with a low-caliber hire to fill what they probably considered a low-skill (and low-paying) job, regardless of whether the person is an ex-criminal.
03-22-2018, 12:50 PM
PNWbrit

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Originally Posted by bobz

It will hurt, probably more than it should. I'm all for people with sketchy stuff years in their past getting another chance. The real problem seems to be that Uber went bare minimum in terms of meeting their backup driver requirement, that they went with a low-caliber hire to fill what they probably considered a low-skill (and low-paying) job, regardless of whether the person is an ex-criminal.

Yep.... They should have had Mario Andretti driving these things.

Not some schlub.

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more than it should

As far as I'm concerned no one can hurt that company enough.
03-22-2018, 12:57 PM
skaredshtles

Yeah - I suspect that Waymo is going to eat Uber's lunch at the end of this day... which will be fine by me since Uber, as a company, sucks donkey balls.
03-22-2018, 01:02 PM
iceman

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

Homeless drug addict dies from walking into the path of robot car carrying transgender armed robber… welcome to the future, Earthlings.

the future is now

still no flying cars though
03-22-2018, 01:05 PM
Dantheman

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Originally Posted by neufox47

You naysayers are no different than those who said the horse will always be the dominant form of transportation. Driving a car will become a leisure only activity on select roads and tracks. Like horseback riding.

http://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2...tomobiles.html

The way I see it the change will be gradual. At first driverless cars will coexist with drivers and bad weather will require human drivers. But then certain expressways with terrible traffic will say no more drivers and only driverless cars that move far more efficiently than human drivers are allowed in certain lanes or during rush hour. Then a city will go to all driverless cars. Once that is successful every major city will follow suit and then the suburbs.

Likewise cars and roads will get better and better at driving in rain, snow, fog and weather. They will use a host of different systems; visual, lidar, GPS, radar, etc. Roads will have sensors that identify lanes, road friction, temperature, etc.

This is pretty much how I see things happening. How fast is hard to say, but even if the cars only get 10% better each year they will rapidly overtake the skill level of the average human driver.

The lack of brake response or evasive maneuvers by the car in light of the video is definitely not good. That said, it's virtually certain that a human driver would not be deemed at fault in this case. The average driver response time is 2.3 seconds (http://copradar.com/redlight/factors/IEA2000_ABS51.pdf) so a human driver very well may not have hit the brakes either. The NTSB report is going to an interesting read.

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Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Yeah - I suspect that Waymo is going to eat Uber's lunch at the end of this day... which will be fine by me since Uber, as a company, sucks donkey balls.

Agreed on all counts.
03-22-2018, 01:20 PM
grskier

I agree with neu and Dan...

And remember, it's already here.

I'll watch the video in a bit, but, I also agree with the hiring practices.. you'd think that a company might put a premium on these backup drivers given how early in the process and testing this is.
03-22-2018, 01:38 PM
fmac

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Originally Posted by grskier

I agree with neu and Dan...

And remember, it's already here.

I'll watch the video in a bit, but, I also agree with the hiring practices.. you'd think that a company might put a premium on these backup drivers given how early in the process and testing this is.

The backup drivers must still be subject to rules regarding cell phone use while driving... I wonder if the driver is going to be pinned with charges.
03-22-2018, 01:42 PM
SumJongGuy

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Originally Posted by forrest_mac

The backup drivers must still be subject to rules regarding cell phone use while driving... I wonder if the driver is going to be pinned with charges.

I thought the official PD report blamed the accident on the pedestrian 100%..
03-22-2018, 01:51 PM
Kenny Satch

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Originally Posted by SumJongGuy

I thought the official PD report blamed the accident on the pedestrian 100%..

But shouldn't the automated braking have reacted quicker
https://youtu.be/FTKxCE5qmQM
03-22-2018, 02:02 PM
iceman

My wife saw Musk speak at SXSW a week or so ago, he said that autonomous cars would be all over the place in 18 months. He did add, "I've been known to have trouble with deadlines though."

He also reiterated his position on AI, calling it "a bigger threat to humanity than nuclear weapons."
03-22-2018, 02:07 PM
DBdude

really bright people can be wrong

there is going to be a down sizing of the human population -- hopefully through declining birthrates
03-22-2018, 02:09 PM
Benny Profane

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Originally Posted by iceman

My wife saw Musk speak at SXSW a week or so ago, he said that autonomous cars would be all over the place in 18 months. He did add, "I've been known to have trouble with deadlines though."

He also reiterated his position on AI, calling it "a bigger threat to humanity than nuclear weapons."

Yeah, well, grifters gotta grift. It certainly seems to be working for Mr. Iron Man. Ka-ching. And his companies are losing money, and, yeah, deadlines are a serious issue, it seems.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/21/tesl...tion-plan.html

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03-22-2018, 02:13 PM
DBdude

i think the rocket business will make money. i think he will make money from battery technology. the car business is probably not going to work out - we will see...
03-22-2018, 02:20 PM
Skistack

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Originally Posted by iceman

the future is now

still no flying cars though

It's 2018 forchristsakes, where the fuck is my flying car?
03-22-2018, 02:25 PM
Kenny Satch

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Originally Posted by Skistack

It's 2018 forchristsakes, where the fuck is my flying car?

Big Oil has withheld anti-gravity technology
Signed
George Jetson
03-22-2018, 02:36 PM
Danno

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Originally Posted by DBdude

there is going to be a down sizing of the human population -- hopefully through declining birthrates

and through a proliferation of killer robot cars, apparently.
03-22-2018, 02:36 PM
DBdude

Dad!
signed elroy
03-22-2018, 02:37 PM
DBdude

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Originally Posted by Danno

and through a proliferation of killer robot cars, apparently.

skynet
03-22-2018, 02:39 PM
Kenny Satch

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Originally Posted by DBdude

Dad!
signed elroy

Ruh Roh
03-22-2018, 02:43 PM
grskier

Exhibit 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRZNLBL7Px4
Exhibit 2:
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science...und-ncna859171

The FAA is enough to deal with re: drones.. We'd need some major overhauls on how they do business for flying cars.
03-22-2018, 03:19 PM
Kenny Satch

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Originally Posted by grskier

Exhibit 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRZNLBL7Px4
Exhibit 2:
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science...und-ncna859171

The FAA is enough to deal with re: drones.. We'd need some major overhauls on how they do business for flying cars.

That last one is a total "I want one" WoW
03-22-2018, 03:24 PM
DBdude

http://www.museumofflight.org/user_a...ter&scale=both
03-22-2018, 03:55 PM
Ted Striker

the last thing we need is more gapers in the sky :FIREdevil
03-22-2018, 04:01 PM
Ted Striker

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Originally Posted by grskier

Exhibit 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRZNLBL7Px4

@ 4:46 "It's powerful Rotax 912 engine..."

Better practice your forced approach and landings!
03-22-2018, 04:26 PM
SumJongGuy

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Originally Posted by Kenny Satch

Spacely Sprocket has withheld anti-gravity technology
Signed
George Jetson

FIFY
03-22-2018, 04:27 PM
PNWbrit

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Originally Posted by DBdude

http://www.museumofflight.org/user_a...ter&scale=both

Does it come with a MT?
03-22-2018, 04:30 PM
SumJongGuy

Back on topic..

Airbus unveils an autonomous, modular flying car concept
03-22-2018, 07:01 PM
LongShortLong

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Originally Posted by AdironRider

This isn't a computer router that you can just restart when it goes on the fritz. Its a two ton piece of machinery that earns zero empathy from the populace. Its an appliance that can kill people in this idealistic scenario, and if people are getting killed by appliances, those appliances wont sell.

And it is most definitely the point. What good is transportation that only works in Socal or AZ?

How about them ski lift appliances? Its a hundred ton piece of machinery that earns zero empathy from the populace. Its an appliance that can kill people in this idealistic scenario, and if people are getting killed by appliances, those appliances wont sell.

What good is transportation that only works going up a snowy mountain?
03-22-2018, 11:08 PM
Kenny Satch

Being a boomer i'm always skeptical about too much technology but having Subaru's Eyesight has made me a believer. It's not perfect but it works well. Have I gotten distracted, somewhat. Lane assist helps me reach for some things I wouldn't have done before. I have to stop that.
This incident should be the wake call to slow the progression until it's perfected if possible.

Fully autonomous vehicles requires a level of perfection that has to be almost 100%
Even at 95% it isn't good enough IMO.
Never did I think I might live to see a road version of the Jestsons become a reality. For now not my cup of tea only time will tell but for now it's too soon.

Robots should enhance our lives not take over our functions as we just sit back. I know it won't start like that but eventually it will become that. People are going to be making coffee and toast while reading the newspaper. Mini camper to work you shall go.

My other concern is will cars and trucks be limited to posted speed limits with no choice? That would suck

Btw SJG that was funny
03-23-2018, 05:05 AM
skifishbum

whats goin on? the dude who ate jimmy dean
melted down into a pool of failed poli blubber?
03-23-2018, 06:22 AM
Bobby Stainless

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Originally Posted by DBdude

i think the rocket business will make money. i think he will make money from battery technology. the car business is probably not going to work out - we will see...

Porsche/VAG is all over it.

Tesla doesn't have the QC or design to match Porsche. It's just a matter of time before the big boys step in.

918 is a far better electric vehicle than a Tesla. Granted its 2M.
03-23-2018, 07:00 AM
sb

Ban flying robot killer cars.
03-23-2018, 07:17 AM
Benny Profane

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Originally Posted by scottyb

Ban flying robot killer cars.

I want one with lazer ray guns. And a couple of air to air missles.
03-23-2018, 07:21 AM
Benny Profane

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Porsche/VAG is all over it.

Tesla doesn't have the QC or design to match Porsche. It's just a matter of time before the big boys step in.

918 is a far better electric vehicle than a Tesla. Granted its 2M.

Or, and it's obvious at this point, the ability to meet manufacturing goals. All the large auto companies are well practiced at that, and all are investing heavily in electric and autonomous R&D. It's really only a matter of time before he fails. If failure is slinking away with 20 billion in your pocket.
03-23-2018, 07:25 AM
sb

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

I want one with lazer ray guns. And a couple of air to air missles.

If you act now we will throw in the Apache attack helicopter upgrade for free.
03-23-2018, 10:36 AM
Bobby Stainless

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

If failure is slinking away with 20 billion in your pocket.

Pfff. What a loser. Amirite?
03-23-2018, 10:36 AM
old goat

"Experts baffled that self driving car struck woman"
http://digital.olivesoftware.com/Oli...5AD9&mode=text
No mention of who the experts are. Maybe the article is referring to this thread?
Anyone come across a larger version of the article. Obviously it was trimmed by the Bee.
03-23-2018, 10:43 AM
MultiVerse

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Or, and it's obvious at this point, the ability to meet manufacturing goals. All the large auto companies are well practiced at that, and all are investing heavily in electric and autonomous R&D. It's really only a matter of time before he fails. If failure is slinking away with 20 billion in your pocket.

Regardless of Tesla's ultimate success or failure there's an argument to be made that the company greatly accelerated the adoption of electric vehicles. If that ends up as a technological win, a net positive, then Tesla deserves some credit for the industry wide investment in electric and autonomous R&D.
03-23-2018, 12:21 PM
Gerome

Accellerating the electric car is what Tesla wants anyway, they're giving their technology out to other manufacturers to create competition, which means more charging facilities built faster.
03-23-2018, 01:38 PM
Benny Profane

Nobody in business gives shit away. If they did, they wouldnt be in business. That's a charity.

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