your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Phatstix
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your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Phatstix
A couple pics I took:
Slide after blasting
http://elizabethrs.smugmug.com/photos/23035264-L.jpg
Same pic, the lines approximately distinguish where the separate slides took place: to the right of the pink line was the original slide that caught the dude. To the right of the green line was first bomb and to the right of the blue was second bomb.
http://elizabethrs.smugmug.com/photos/23059214-L.jpg
part of crown
http://elizabethrs.smugmug.com/photos/23035242-L.jpg
The point: I'm not trying to be an expert here - I never said that I thought glide was responsible for this - I was more or less throwing it out there. I'm not 100% sure though that ALL the info is inconsistent with glide - skier triggered or otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by AltaPowderDaze
Hey, the more we all talk about avi danger the better - Lord know's I can always learn more - That's the POINT really.
Over-
i was just wondering why you cut and pasted my post from another site and included the date/time stamp plus my # of posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phatstix
btw, i meant that when all the info is compiled that it doesn't fit the description of a glide as i know it.
glide up close:
http://www.biglines.com/photos/blpic33177.jpg
I just copied and pasted your post because it seemed a bit contradictory to this post (don't get me wrong though, I do see the differences).
Your glide photo is just that - I'm wondering what it looks like at the earliest stages (my earliest comment mentioned 1 to 100 mm/day). Wouldn't a skier at this juncture perpetuate the situation? Would it be noticed during the preliminary stages when it's moving at 1 mm/day?
You seem to know your stuff - my "Hmm" comment and post was really meant to understand what happened that day a little better.
Peace-
i know a little about a lot but i am a recreationalist and in no way anywhere near as knowledgeable as a someone who does this stuff as a living.
it sounds to me like the melt water hit an impedence layer and broke as a short wet slab. it then stepped down and entrained snow to the ground. i wasn't there but that's what the witnesses sound like they are saying.
glides are often natural and not skier triggered. i think that is becuase most glides are so deep that a skiers weight hardly affects it. most of the new materails out there list glides as sliding on the ground layer as a whole slab. this one appears to have slid on a crust or possibly facets that then stepped down to the ground. i am not familiar with such a thin snowpack so i really don't know much about continental slides and how they are termed. the ones i am familiar with look like this:
http://wowasatch.com/pictures/May%2021/broads.jpg
hacksaw should be able to shed more light on the layering in the slide and what they are calling it.
Bob,Quote:
Originally Posted by AltaPowderDaze
The U.S. Forest Service is currently conducting their own investigation. It would be inappropriate for me to comment about anything, until the investigation is wraped up. The CAIC has done its own review, and most of our information is on the CAIC website at:
http://geosurvey.state.co.us/avalanc...=44#AB05202005
Halsted Morris
CAIC
That's some scary shit. Here's some pics of the slide at the Bird this year. From what I heard it slid overnight.
Other one.
What an unfortunate incident. A good reminder to us all. My condolensces to the family.
Just read this account - I can understand being late for work, but what about using a cellphone or calling from work to report massive instabilty and collapsing of the snowpack??
In a related story, the coroner said the victim apparently died of trauma and not suffocation (not that its any comfort to the next of kin).Quote:
Originally Posted by The Apsen Times
you are likely wrong here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
would you rather think your family member died a slow terrifying death or a quick one by trauma?
sorry, but I meant to say that dead is dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by AltaPowderDaze
I guess technically you are correct.
I only mentioned the cause of death info to remind us all that trauma is as deadly as suffocation in an avy.
that is true but all you can do is learn how to stay out of slides and how to reach/treat the victim as fast as you safely can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
hopefully that scenario is on the scope of a skier/boarders reality because it does happen.