2014/2015 ON3P Skis (Official Thread) - Discussion and Lust

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Originally Posted by canwilf

I noticed the 'How we make skis' link on the site says 'Under Construction'. Will they still have bamboo cores and rock PNW snow?

When are we getting you guys to show-up at WB? Ever? The skis are really good for the conditions and terrain we have here -- it would be great to be able to demo them locally (and buy them locally) or be inspired to go on another 3-day vacation to Oregon to save both the tax and duty!

Of course, I'll man the demo tent in exchange for some free skis :)

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Sorry that you missed it. This year's "demo tour" got throw together pretty quickly and next year, with some planning, we will get the word out much better. Just too much to do with too little time.

Ski construction is the same, and thanks for the heads up on the construction page. I guess we forgot to update it.

As for shops in Vancouver/Whistler, bother them for us and let them know they should pick us up. We've been doing well in all of Western Canada, except in Whistler and Vancouver where it has been tough to get a shop to even take a look at us. We do have dealers in Smithers, Kelowna, Calgary, Edmonton, and Regina. Nothing in Vancouver yet, though. Definitely a location we are working on right now.

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Originally Posted by cstefanic

So, um, let me know when these are on sale.

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Small 20 pair run available for sale in May.

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Originally Posted by adrenalated

So this bears some mentioning, actually. The demos were awesome and (I think and hope) well worth your time. Having been to a LOT of manufacturer demos though, here's some suggestions.

1) They definitely could be promoted better. They got posted here, for sure, but not always in good, obvious spots. Many times it was just iggy throwing a post up 2-3 pages deep in some random ON3P thread. You did a better job with the CO demos, especially the first two. That shit should be on your Facebook page every time, front and center on your website, and you should contact your retailers and let them know about upcoming events. I was in WildyX just before the Apr Loveland demo and they had no idea there was an ON3P demo coming up. Your retailers want to sell your skis, and they will happily pimp the shit out of your upcoming demos. Just make sure the people working the demo know who the retailers are and send happy demo-goers to them.
2) Have duplicate pairs of skis in the popular models/sizes. You probably have a good feel now for which skis are constantly requested. A couple extra pairs of those will get a lot more people on your skis.

Other than that, you guys already know my thoughts on the skis :)

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Dead on with both. Some demos were better planned than others, and some were even through our retailers. That said, we didn't have a demo vehicle until about 9pm the night before we left for SIA, so the tour got thrown together very quickly. We could have definitely done a better job getting the word out, but that is just how things worked out this year. We are planning our 14/15 demo tour this summer, so dates will be on the website in the fall and promotion will be better overall.

I like to keep spamming in the forums to a minimum, so that is why we didn't make a thread for every single demo that we held. Next year we will try to get one single thread going with all the dates.

That said, even with the lack of exposure each demo day has been slammed. We know we need some more pairs of the high volume ski. As it is, the truck is pretty full and we still don't have the whole fleet in there. We are working on getting some smaller regional fleets going for next season, so that we can have demos running in CO and other places multiple times per month, all season (albeit with 10-15 skis, not the 40 pair fleet we are currently travelling with).

This is new ground for us, so still very much working out the details. Next year should be great and we hope to have skis available for people to try all over N. America.

My favorites were the Steeples in both widths. Kind of surprised they're not getting more attention around here.


Glad you guys went to Monarch, it was a great place to demo, could ride 2 lifts and get the skis through all types of terrain in 30 minutes or less.


As far as demos, a few signs to scatter around to let folks know you're there couldn't hurt, like parking lot entrance. Knew you guys were supposed to be at Monarch, being a pow day I was first chair and kept looking for you guys, but didn't see you until I went to that bottom lift and could see you from there.

My favorite ON3P skis I've been on are the Steeple 102.
I'm 5'11" and 175 pounds for reference.

I demoed the Steeple 102 (184), Steeple 112 (184), Billy Goat 186, and Jeffrey 114 (186) at Stevens Pass last month. Since then I've acquired a pair of 2013 Vicik 186 and been on them just one day so far.

All of these 2015 ON3P skis were excellent, but the Steeple 102 really speaks to me and I've committed to buying a pair for next season. The Steeple 102 was so good that I made sure to demo them at the beginning and end of the day, since I was so obviously enamored with them on my first runs of the morning on a rather average day at Stevens Pass. I plan to put Marker F12 EPF bindings on them and dedicate them as my daily driver and occasional touring ski.

^^Compare Steeple (both widths) to 186 Billy Goat??

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

^^Compare Steeple (both widths) to 186 Billy Goat??

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I liked the Steeple 112 (184) a little more than I liked the Billy Goat 186.
They were both great, but the Steeple 102 and 112 were more nimble in tight areas, whereas the Billy Goat had more crud busting/charging personality than I need.
The slightly shorter Steeple lengths seemed easier to maneuver in general, but that could also be due to their weight differences compared to the Billy Goat.
I really liked the Billy Goat, but I loved the Steeples, especially the 102.

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

^^Compare Steeple (both widths) to 186 Billy Goat??

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For resort pow, I would take the 112 over the Goats. They float plenty good are more nimble in the trees and bumps, and that's with me at 6'5" 300lbs.


102 might could replace a Goat for lighter guy, but for me it would be one heck of a daily driver and also pretty good float for width. 102 wasn't as nimble in powdery bumps for me as the 112 width, but it was light years more nimble than say a Vicik, and the 102 rails on groomers like nobodies business. Very impressive ski, to do be able to rail and slarve.


So for me and resort, if money were no object, I would get both widths of Steeples and use them in place of my Viciks and Goats.

FYI I was on the 189 length for both width Steeples, and really like this new length as well.

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

^^Compare Steeple (both widths) to 186 Billy Goat??

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dude, you would not be able to ski a steeple the way you ski. not even close.

Without knowing how Avugeek skis... Shroom, care to elaborate what kind of skier you don't think a steeple would work for?

having just landed off a 4 day vegas binge, i will most definitely do so when i can pull together some verbiage that does not paint me as a pretentious taint.


i did buy some 13/14 caylors last week, which is nice.

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Originally Posted by Flotsam

Without knowing how Avugeek skis...

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Fast and danger, I'd assume.

Wait a minute! Did you give up on skiing switch Auvgeek?


If so you're right back to looking at other skis in the line up.

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Originally Posted by adrenalated

Fast and danger, I'd assume.

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I thought that was how all of TGR skied...

Wait ... so I missed the sale of the Grizzly Corns!?

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Originally Posted by Bobcat Sig

Wait ... so I missed the sale of the Grizzly Corns!?

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We will have about 20 GC skis for sale, should start around mid-may.

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Originally Posted by capulin overdrive

For resort pow, I would take the 112 over the Goats. They float plenty good are more nimble in the trees and bumps, and that's with me at 6'5" 300lbs.


102 might could replace a Goat for lighter guy, but for me it would be one heck of a daily driver and also pretty good float for width. 102 wasn't as nimble in powdery bumps for me as the 112 width, but it was light years more nimble than say a Vicik, and the 102 rails on groomers like nobodies business. Very impressive ski, to do be able to rail and slarve.


So for me and resort, if money were no object, I would get both widths of Steeples and use them in place of my Viciks and Goats.

FYI I was on the 189 length for both width Steeples, and really like this new length as well.

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Just the information I was looking for in a comparison of the Vicik and Steeple. Don't get me wrong, I love my Viciks and have gotten really used to how to ski them in the terrain around here. They are certainly a directional ski, though not quite as much as the Wren. I'm just curious how the Steeples would do in heavier crud and bumped out terrain. Are they tanks like the Viciks or are they easily deflected as a lighter ski would be. Currently I'd rather use my Viciks for resort and my Kingswood FAT's for untracked b/c stuff.
Still would love to demo a pair of both width's of Steeples before I pull the trigger on them.

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Originally Posted by Flotsam

Without knowing how Avugeek skis... Shroom, care to elaborate what kind of skier you don't think a steeple would work for?

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i personally don't see someone who's really aggressive liking them in anything but untouched. aggressiveness is relative, and everything about ski preference is subjective -- that's why i directed my comment towards auvgeek specifically (probably should have used other forms of communication, but whatever). im sure they'll work for plenty of people, i just know he needs a ski that will push back.

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Originally Posted by iggyskier

I thought that was how all of TGR skied...

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heh, was waiting on that..

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Originally Posted by mtnjam

Are they tanks like the Viciks or are they easily deflected as a lighter ski would be. .

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the latter IME/YMMV/etc

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Originally Posted by iggyskier

We will have about 20 GC skis for sale, should start around mid-may.

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And there is much rejoicing. I'll say it again; put me on the list. :D

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Originally Posted by mtnjam

Just the information I was looking for in a comparison of the Vicik and Steeple. Don't get me wrong, I love my Viciks and have gotten really used to how to ski them in the terrain around here. They are certainly a directional ski, though not quite as much as the Wren. I'm just curious how the Steeples would do in heavier crud and bumped out terrain. Are they tanks like the Viciks or are they easily deflected as a lighter ski would be. Currently I'd rather use my Viciks for resort and my Kingswood FAT's for untracked b/c stuff.
Still would love to demo a pair of both width's of Steeples before I pull the trigger on them.

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I skied the Steeples in pretty good snow, maybe 6" on top of a softish wind crust bottom, with it snowing during the day. So didn't get to crud bust, but my inclination is that they'll be fine, they are after all ON3P (ie: not know for making wimpy skis).

Think you'd be happy with either width, would just have to decide what arrow you want in the quiver. For me, already having Billygoats and C&D's, if I could only pick one, I'd go with the 102 as I've got deeper covered with the others.


I love my Viciks, but they're more work than I'd like in the trees and bumps for my old fatass. Steeples were so much nicer in the trees and bumps, 102 maybe better back to the lift than Viciks, and 112 not as good back to the lift as Viciks.

If y'all were to buy a front mountain ski (maybe only 10 to 20% park) for the hard snow and bump run days, what would it be, the Prester?

Also, when you do your GC run in May, can the graphics be put on any model?

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Originally Posted by capulin overdrive

My favorites were the Steeples in both widths. Kind of surprised they're not getting more attention around here.


Glad you guys went to Monarch, it was a great place to demo, could ride 2 lifts and get the skis through all types of terrain in 30 minutes or less.


As far as demos, a few signs to scatter around to let folks know you're there couldn't hurt, like parking lot entrance. Knew you guys were supposed to be at Monarch, being a pow day I was first chair and kept looking for you guys, but didn't see you until I went to that bottom lift and could see you from there.

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Next year there will be multiple demos at Monarch and we will be more front and center. We were actually put in that location by the mountain staff, but after pulling a few strings (and buying a few beers) I have been assured we will have prime real estate for next season whenever we are there.

As for the Steeple series, I know you loved them...keep spreading the word. For those that are concerned about the stiffness of the Steeples, Capulin is about 98 feet tall and about 750 lbs (big boned). They worked for him, they will work for you ;)

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Originally Posted by ricky64

If y'all were to buy a front mountain ski (maybe only 10 to 20% park) for the hard snow and bump run days, what would it be, the Prester?

Also, when you do your GC run in May, can the graphics be put on any model?

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Wren 102 if you are barely in the park, Kartel 106 if you are all over the place.

As for GC graphics they can go onto any ski (granted they will look great on mid to wide width skis due to all that magical grizzlycorn exposure).

Man, I want a pair of Wren 102's. I guess it's time to unload a pair or 2. Any one want to buy a pair of low use '10/'11 Wrens in a 181cm?

Hey all. Just some quick info about me, 5'11" 160lbs and I do resort skiing in the Swiss / French Alps and look for powder whenever possible.

Currently riding 98 Line Prophets (179) as my one ski quiver but I want to add a more powder orientated ski to make my powder skiing more fun. I can handle my 98s great in powder but it would good to have a powder orientated ski to make it more fun. Anywho the choices I have are the 114 Jeffrey(186) / 116 Billy Goat(186) / 122 Jeffrey(186) , can someone help me out with my choice? I feel like 114 might be too narrow as my powder ski considering I have my 98 Prophet however at the same time it is only resort powder skiing after all. Secondly I think the 122 Jeffrey might be too wide considering it has 0 camber which will make it unfun on other conditions other than pow, however it does stray away the most from my 98s giving me a different feel. The BGs are kinda the middle ground but not really. I'm not sure.

I ski fast and aggressive and would like to charge , through crud too, as well as the ski being manoeuvreable in technical chutes/drops etc (hence the 186) . Anyone help me with this dilemma? I don't mind the Jeffrey's being more playful if you think that should be the decider.

I've heard the term "turn on a dime" since in Swedish I think I slightly understand what it means, as in being responsive/turning sharp on command? Wouldn't mind it being this either. I understand the BG is directional and a charger but it can still be used in other situations right? Really stuck here! Thanks!

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Originally Posted by OptimusPlank

Hey all. Just some quick info about me, 5'11" 160lbs and I do resort skiing in the Swiss / French Alps and look for powder whenever possible.

Currently riding 98 Line Prophets (179) as my one ski quiver but I want to add a more powder orientated ski to make my powder skiing more fun. I can handle my 98s great in powder but it would good to have a powder orientated ski to make it more fun. Anywho the choices I have are the 114 Jeffrey(186) / 116 Billy Goat(186) / 122 Jeffrey(186) , can someone help me out with my choice? I feel like 114 might be too narrow as my powder ski considering I have my 98 Prophet however at the same time it is only resort powder skiing after all. Secondly I think the 122 Jeffrey might be too wide considering it has 0 camber which will make it unfun on other conditions other than pow, however it does stray away the most from my 98s giving me a different feel. The BGs are kinda the middle ground but not really. I'm not sure.

I ski fast and aggressive and would like to charge , through crud too, as well as the ski being manoeuvreable in technical chutes/drops etc (hence the 186) . Anyone help me with this dilemma? I don't mind the Jeffrey's being more playful if you think that should be the decider.

I've heard the term "turn on a dime" since in Swedish I think I slightly understand what it means, as in being responsive/turning sharp on command? Wouldn't mind it being this either. I understand the BG is directional and a charger but it can still be used in other situations right? Really stuck here! Thanks!

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BG 186 is going to be a good second pair for you! From 98mm it's a big jump to 122!

the question between bg vs 114 jeffrey is more regarding your style than float they both will float nicelly but as you already know jeffrey is more playful and bg more of a directional charger!

maybe you should do bg + 122 :-) if you think you are gonna be skiing some huge dumps!

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Originally Posted by OptimusPlank

Hey all. Just some quick info about me, 5'11" 160lbs and I do resort skiing in the Swiss / French Alps and look for powder whenever possible.

Currently riding 98 Line Prophets (179) as my one ski quiver but I want to add a more powder orientated ski to make my powder skiing more fun. I can handle my 98s great in powder but it would good to have a powder orientated ski to make it more fun. Anywho the choices I have are the 114 Jeffrey(186) / 116 Billy Goat(186) / 122 Jeffrey(186) , can someone help me out with my choice? I feel like 114 might be too narrow as my powder ski considering I have my 98 Prophet however at the same time it is only resort powder skiing after all. Secondly I think the 122 Jeffrey might be too wide considering it has 0 camber which will make it unfun on other conditions other than pow, however it does stray away the most from my 98s giving me a different feel. The BGs are kinda the middle ground but not really. I'm not sure.

I ski fast and aggressive and would like to charge , through crud too, as well as the ski being manoeuvreable in technical chutes/drops etc (hence the 186) . Anyone help me with this dilemma? I don't mind the Jeffrey's being more playful if you think that should be the decider.

I've heard the term "turn on a dime" since in Swedish I think I slightly understand what it means, as in being responsive/turning sharp on command? Wouldn't mind it being this either. I understand the BG is directional and a charger but it can still be used in other situations right? Really stuck here! Thanks!

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At your weight you'll be just fine on the 114 Jeffrey or the Billygoat, and I'd suggest looking at the 112 Steeple also.


122 width is fun in deep stuff, and can be more capable. However a ski like the Billygoat is so good in deep stuff, that it's very rare you'll ever wish for more ski.

I'll just leave this here for all you grizzly corn fiends http://on3pskis.myshopify.com/products/grizzlycorn

Thanks for the heads up Willie! Got some 114 Jeffreys Grizzly Corn style! So stoked! :yourock: :cool:

Man... I almost want to just buy one for the topsheet alone, even though I really don't want another pair of skis. A Cease and Desist would be super tempting, but not offered...

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Originally Posted by Lindahl

Man... I almost want to just buy one for the topsheet alone, even though I really don't want another pair of skis. A Cease and Desist would be super tempting, but not offered...

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If you are interested in a pair, let me know and I can give you some options. 193cm CD are about to be done for the season, so we could only do a GC topsheet at the moment. 183cm CD might be possible to go both top & base as they are still a few weeks away from production.

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Originally Posted by wildmanwillie

I'll just leave this here for all you grizzly corn fiends http://on3pskis.myshopify.com/products/grizzlycorn

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You guys are quick. Official announcement is Monday.

What's with the bases? I'm all for colour but wonder what, if any, impact this will have on durability, toughness, etc that ON3P is known for? I've often heard, though I would be the last to claim to be an expert on the subject, that pure black bases are the toughest and most durable. Thoughts? Opinions? Facts? Iggy?

Let me know and, if it's already been asked and answered, I'll go back through the thread.

Picked up 186 Jeff 122 with veneer, stoked as hell! :biggrin:

As for color, 1.8 mm is a lot of base

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Originally Posted by shafty85

What's with the bases? I'm all for colour but wonder what, if any, impact this will have on durability, toughness, etc that ON3P is known for? I've often heard, though I would be the last to claim to be an expert on the subject, that pure black bases are the toughest and most durable. Thoughts? Opinions? Facts? Iggy?

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Our base graphics have no effect on durability or toughness and nothing is different from how we've been doing our bases since ON3P started. We use a clear 1.8mm Durasurf 4001 base on everything (same as every production ski we've ever put out). Most are screen printed, the EH ski and GC bases are done through sublimation. We don't die cut, so there are no seams to weaken the base or slow it down. Same material as high end all black bases, just clear and thicker than almost everyone is using.

As for black-only bases being better, we've used clear bases since 2009 and never had an issue. We've tested all black and never noticed any difference from the clear material we use. I know people say all black is better. I don't really buy into the base color being the factor. I think the molecular structure of the plastic is a lot more important than if it is black, clear, or any other color.

Anyone running a 4001 base is going to put out a ski with a really durable base. We increase that durability by upping the base thickness from the 1.2-1.3mm average base thickness to 1.8mm. Hope that answers any questions you have. If you have any more, just let me know. Thanks!

Billy Goat prices down from $799 to $749 for the 2014/2015? Looks that way. Some great options this year!

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Originally Posted by iggyskier

Our base graphics have no effect on durability or toughness and nothing is different from how we've been doing our bases since ON3P started. We use a clear 1.8mm Durasurf 4001 base on everything (same as every production ski we've ever put out). Most are screen printed, the EH ski and GC bases are done through sublimation. We don't die cut, so there are no seams to weaken the base or slow it down. Same material as high end all black bases, just clear and thicker than almost everyone is using.

As for black-only bases being better, we've used clear bases since 2009 and never had an issue. We've tested all black and never noticed any difference from the clear material we use. I know people say all black is better. I don't really buy into the base color being the factor. I think the molecular structure of the plastic is a lot more important than if it is black, clear, or any other color.

Anyone running a 4001 base is going to put out a ski with a really durable base. We increase that durability by upping the base thickness from the 1.2-1.3mm average base thickness to 1.8mm. Hope that answers any questions you have. If you have any more, just let me know. Thanks!

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I tend to ski through lightly covered scree fields on occassion. ON3P bases are super fucking durable. It's a shock that my 09/10 BGs are still alive and kicking (though getting slow from lots of minor base damage).

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Originally Posted by iggyskier

Our base graphics have no effect on durability or toughness and nothing is different from how we've been doing our bases since ON3P started. We use a clear 1.8mm Durasurf 4001 base on everything (same as every production ski we've ever put out). Most are screen printed, the EH ski and GC bases are done through sublimation. We don't die cut, so there are no seams to weaken the base or slow it down. Same material as high end all black bases, just clear and thicker than almost everyone is using.

As for black-only bases being better, we've used clear bases since 2009 and never had an issue. We've tested all black and never noticed any difference from the clear material we use. I know people say all black is better. I don't really buy into the base color being the factor. I think the molecular structure of the plastic is a lot more important than if it is black, clear, or any other color.

Anyone running a 4001 base is going to put out a ski with a really durable base. We increase that durability by upping the base thickness from the 1.2-1.3mm average base thickness to 1.8mm. Hope that answers any questions you have. If you have any more, just let me know. Thanks!

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Cool stuff - thanks for the info. Very informative.

Anyone try the new Steeple 102 (normal layout) on harder snow and bumps? (I know that's not its main purpose). Curious how the RES behaves on bumps.
Is the recommended mount on this ski more centered than the Wren 102?

I'd like to find a less jibby, more directional ski to compliment my Jeffrey, but I tend to be more center balanced skier...
Thx!

Ordered GrizzlyCorn 186cm Kartel 98s to replace my beat "186cm" S3s. (Shut up, I really like them despite being too short and soft. Not very core of me, I know). Can't wait to see how they compare. I'm aiming for more stability and less speed limit without sacrificing the fun factor. I have high hopes because I love the crap out of my original Pillowfights. Thanks for making good stuff guys.

Will you guys have demos at bear tooth?

Jeff 114's ?

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Originally Posted by allTandA

Will you guys have demos at bear tooth?

Jeff 114's ?

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Entire demo fleet will be there and available each day. Hope you can make it out!

did sumone say bair?

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