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I had the exact same feeling last season on my pair. I loved them in anything off piste, but on groomers they were hooky and unpredictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
A good retune through the machine and they ski awesome everywhere now.
Don’t know why the tune was off as I’ve had 10+ pairs of ON3Ps and never had an issue.
i shifted from gummy to file on my woods96, hoping to be able to use the tails this weekend
I have been skiing a pair for about a year and they seem fine. My guess is it is the tune.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
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I seem to recall a post up thread where Iggy said there was a short period of time where they discovered issues with their stone grinder ... at least I think so :eek: Bottom line is ... tune 'em and luv 'em.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
Now ... if i could get my hands on some 179 BG 116 Tours (just sayin' ...).
... Thom
kid-kapow made an excellent summary on the tune issue a few pages back:
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...28#post6189728
Same, been skiing for more than a year on the WD108, no hookyness on groomers. Tail release fine. They're actually my low tide ski, since I ski the billy goats most of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW-skier78
In addition to those two post I can also post what Iggy wrote when he personally reached out to a few of us last spring to address the issues on our woodsmans. This is part of what he wrote - posted here as it is general and should explain what was off with the initial batch, and hopefully to save Iggy som time from having to repeat it.Quote:
Originally Posted by aanev
As mentioned in the last post, the base bevel was off on my pairs, but where retuning and detuning them (heavily) in front of/behind the contact points made for a much smoother ride. The retune/detune does not transform the skis into jibby-mc-jibsticks, but skis that has a strong edge hold on groomers, generate a lot of speed from the terrain if you pump yet release quite easily. The section underfoot and behind the heels is fairly strong as is usual from ON3P, so for a lighter and puny rider with shit technique like myself the softer mid section of for instance Mantra102 177s makes them even easier to release and manipulate than woods108 - at least on hard snow. I think my pairs will bed in nicely after more use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy
Pretzel is right. My Woodsies were good, but I've had more than one brand new ON3P w/ wonky factory tune. Edges want to engage even going straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Sux to have to retune. Really your edges need rebeveling of base edge
Slight thread drift (my On3p’s are great) and I know there are other threads for this.
If a skis tune is way off... do you just bevel the edges by hand? Or is the next step a stone grind then bevel edges?
You can
On a machine, edges need beveling before they are run on the stone. Stone+metal=nõ bueño
This is probably terrible advice....I demo'd a pair of Woods 108's and loved them. So I bought a pair. The pair I bought was so hooky sometimes I thought my leg was going to break just going down a cat track. I couldn't figure it out. I got mad and took a rock from the parking lot and detuned the tips and tails. It made it into a whole new ski. I'm totally stoked on them now. After reading through the thread, it seems like there might be a better way to do this:smile:
Looks like I opened up the can of worms in this again but I think it's helping share information.
Maybe it's worth mentioning the model year you have to narrow it down?
I have yet to ski mine but they are 2019/2020. Ski hills here are closed so I won't get a chance to test them before my trip at the end of the month so I really hope they are good out the box. I will at least know there is a fix if I do run into issues.
I love how dedicated people are to trouble shoot the WD!! Brand allegiance is strong with this crowd!
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I took Scott up on his offer last winter and sent my woodsman back to the factory for a retune. Can confirm that a retune fixed all issues. I thought I was crazy so somewhat glad to hear others had the same issue. And thanks to ON3P for helping out.
It helps that the manufacturer is transparent.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft
If anyone has any WD108 tour's that are hooky that they want to get rid of let me know :)
Can we call you "Grog" with the evolutionary use of a rock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shredeagle
But seriously, if it works, it works.
I use rocks to detune all of my skis, I do it while skiing on a wind-dusted rock pile.
What year were your 108 and 116s?Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
I had this years 108 and after two days decided to part ways due to the "hookiness" people are describing.. Looking at this thread I jumped the gun on selling them. May have to give them another shot.
I've most definitely, on several occasions, taken my ski off somewhere on the mountain and rubbed it on a rock or metal handrail or whatever to detune.
It works way better than a gummy, those things are fucking useless.
For the record, I think my Woodsman's were 19-20's. But the years kinda blend together these days.
It doesn't look like you are a Big Sky skier from your profile??!!Quote:
jackattack
I use rocks to detune all of my skis, I do it while skiing on a wind-dusted rock pile.
Bastard file off amazon does wonders.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
Sure, if you're at your workbench or ski around with a file in your pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by K1mJ0ngTr1ll
One of these is actually my preferred tool for deburring and detuning https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tnp...xoCyW0QAvD_BwE
I carry a small diamond stone and a gummy for my first day out on a new ski to adjust the detune as needed. I usually get it pretty spot on at home before they hit the snow.
May have to order one!Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated