Tahoe '23/'24 - Reserve Now For Best Pricing!!!

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Originally Posted by SnowMachine

Yeah dude. We joke about making t-shirts promoting High Camp. Who needs a water park in the parking lot. Hot tubs at High Camp are the jam!

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Purple trucker hats that say "Make High Camp Great Again"?

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I say put in a good access road to the Starr Lake basin and put a tram to the saddle between Freel and Job. You could put a P2P style gondola from there to the top of Heavenly


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Meter--man, I don't know about the rest of the stuff but Alterra isn't to blame for Jerry being dead. Although I could be wrong.

And look what we've gained! A World Cup ski race! If you can get there. And if watching other people ski is your thing.

The resort that had the best chance around here was going to be in Coldstream Canyon, until Bill Hewlitt bought a bunch of land at the mouth of the canyon to block it.

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Originally Posted by SnowMachine

Now they say that in 10 years we won't be skiing around the basin anymore. Anybody want to make bets?

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Nobody with any knowledge is saying that.
And you're leaving out the part about how long it takes for the earth to transition into and out of an ice age without our help.

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Originally Posted by Not DJSapp

Purple trucker hats that say "Make High Camp Great Again"?

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I have stickerz that say: Make Alpine Great Again :D

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Originally Posted by old goat

Meter--man, I don't know about the rest of the stuff but Alterra isn't to blame for Jerry being dead. Although I could be wrong.

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It's a conspiracy!

For real, can you imagine something like this ever happening again?

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I can't.

Wish I was there / old enough to go see Jerry / had ever been skiing at that time in my life. https://www.sfgate.com/renotahoe/art...e-16367276.php

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Originally Posted by old goat

The resort that had the best chance around here was going to be in Coldstream Canyon, until Bill Hewlitt bought a bunch of land at the mouth of the canyon to block it.

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Sunstone, I am sure glad this never materialized. I am sure that pacific crest snowcats is in the same boat. But they had plans for a train stop...

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Originally Posted by SnowMachine

We've had global cooling, then global warming, now climate change. We know changes are happening. Does that mean more snow or less. Science keeps changing its mind. The last major earth climate event was an ice age, no?

What about snowfall averages? We continue to have records both directions. A lot of the records that are broken are decades old or more.

Now they say that in 10 years we won't be skiing around the basin anymore. Anybody want to make bets?

I'm not saying we shouldn't stop treating our planet like a garbage can, but I'm not lock step in believing that we've terminally broken the earth (the earth's climate was breaking itself far before humans came along).

The truth is probably far scarier. A major earthquake, volcanic event or cosmic collision could end life on earth any day. Wouldn't be the first time...

I'm going to keep getting up every morning, while I can. I'm not going to stop buying ski gear any time soon, either.

Ya'll see this:

https://www.powder.com/prestige-weat...-sierra-nevada

Fingers crossed.

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Originally Posted by powdork

Why do you all assume climate change is going to drastically change our weather. Climate and weather aren't the same thing. The average level at which a snowpack forms will rise marginally over time, but some years will be like last year, some years will be like this year.
Also, what are the costs of building a new resort vs buying an existing resort? Because they certainly seem to think ski resorts are financially viable enough to gobble up the existing ones.

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Modeling climate change as rising snow levels is a good way of looking at it if you are calculating annual snowpack for water usage not for skiing. And it turns out that the scientists were wrong about climate change, the effects are happening much faster than they anticipated although not as fast as the non-scientific climate doomsayers said.

As for Tahoe, the problem is that it has always had warm weather for a ski area and that means a few degrees of warming can be the difference between rain and snow. This means that those few degrees will have dramatically bigger differences in Tahoe than let’s say in Colorado.

Lastly why are people gobbling up current resorts? Two words: Private Equity, whose model is to buy a failing a business, make it more “efficient” over a few years and sell it for a profit. Look at what is happening at the Palisades in terms of operations and who owns it. Climate change being a slow process there is an argument for the private equity short term “efficiency improvement” business model versus building a resort which is a long term high capital venture.

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Originally Posted by hercule33

Lastly why are people gobbling up current resorts? Two words: Private Equity, whose model is to buy a failing a business, make it more “efficient” over a few years and sell it a profit. Look at what is happening at the Palisades in terms of operations and who owns it. Climate change being a slow process there is an argument for the private equity short term “efficiency improvement” business model versus building a resort which is a long term high capital venture.

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I think it has much more to do with the fact that there very few hurdles to buying an existing resort vs everyone trying to stop you at every step when trying to build a new resort.
I don't really buy into the private equity argument. Last year it was the private equity resorts that stayed open until July and August while the publicly held resorts had long since closed up shop. I don't understand why they haven't opened Sherwood. But let's not forget the first three words of that sentence are "I don't understand."

Any info on the shooting at OVL this morning?

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Originally Posted by mcski

Any info on the shooting at OVL this morning?

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Rumor mill says...schizophrenic employee stole a PT vehicle and attacked another employee, state parks responded and possibly shot him?

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Originally Posted by mcski

Any info on the shooting at OVL this morning?

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Word is some guy paid $269 for a lift ticket, $30 for a burger and fries, found out he couldn't get a parking reservation for tomorrow and that sherwood isn't groomed, and lost it.

https://www.2news.com/news/placer-co...c7482322f.html

Why would State Parks be involved, or even be there?

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Originally Posted by powdork

I think it has much more to do with the fact that there very few hurdles to buying an existing resort vs everyone trying to stop you at every step when trying to build a new resort.
I don't really buy into the private equity argument. Last year it was the private equity resorts that stayed open until July and August while the publicly held resorts had long since closed up shop. I don't understand why they haven't opened Sherwood. But let's not forget the first three words of that sentence are "I don't understand."

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Totally agree about the hurdles and regulations of building a new resort and that is a big part of the initial capital costs.

Disagree about the private equity. Everything from the Gondola which doesn’t help skiing but makes PT a much bigger resort on paper to the ops screams PE to me. Run lifts to July to “prove” to buyers you aren’t that affected by climate change and then demonstrate during bad years that you can keep your operating costs low like what they are doing now. Mark my words, if Vail wanted to sell their Tahoe resorts they would be running their lifts at least to Memorial Day last year and bragging about that fact to prospective buyers.

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Originally Posted by meter-man

It's a conspiracy!

For real, can you imagine something like this ever happening again?

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I can't.

Wish I was there / old enough to go see Jerry / had ever been skiing at that time in my life. https://www.sfgate.com/renotahoe/art...e-16367276.php

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Last time I saw a show up there it was Laurie Lewis and Tom Rozum, maybe 20 people showed up, we helped them get theier instruments down and to their car since they couldn's carry them all at once.
And shouldn't the SF Gate headline read ascended, not descended?

Shooting involving State Park officers at Olympic Village Inn at Palisades

There were also reports of someone driving a red Camry on the bike path next to 89. Unrelated?

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Originally Posted by mcski

There were also reports of someone driving a red Camry on the bike path next to 89. Unrelated?

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Meh, it's a weekend, these things happen.

Dang, I really miss those spring skiing days when you could wear your swim shorts under your ski pants and go hit the pool and tub. My friends and I would go skier’s left off GC, post up on a nice slab of sunny granite, smoke a joint and then ski our way over to high camp. Good times, probably gone forever. OV really is the poster child for what has happened to the industry. Maybe the name change makes perfect sense since Squaw as we once knew it is dead. At least the terrain is still there.

^^^ $39 ticket bought ski from 8-2 and hot tub until 4pm. I buried beers in a tree well in the morning and had flip flops and board shorts in my back pack. I would usually get in one day each spring by Alpine was even cheaper. In fact, one Sunday I forgot yo buy a ticket in the morning and didn't realize it until I was back in the car getting ready to go home. Skied all day and never got scanned. Goops. but that brought the price down to $10 that weekend. I also enjoyed Summit more than what was typically open in OV (unless KT was still spinning). Lots of fun groomer descents and then plenty of aspects to work the sun all day.

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Originally Posted by mcski

Any info on the shooting at OVL this morning?

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Looks like a car jacking in Tahoe City, chased him to over by the Olympic Village Inn, guy jumped out with a knife and was shot.

Vail handing out free accommodation; Maybe they’re not that greedy that greedy after all [emoji57]

https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/ne...venly-gondola/


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^^^
god turned the wacky meter way up for the 23/24 saison

Today’s warming temps, high humidity and misty clouds conspired to turn ok skiing to complete shit today