Right in front of his kid too, devastating.
What's the SOP for officers when questioning folks with visible or concealed weapons anyway? Is there a national standard, or is determined by the local force?
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Right in front of his kid too, devastating.
What's the SOP for officers when questioning folks with visible or concealed weapons anyway? Is there a national standard, or is determined by the local force?
The only one to stop a good guy with a gun is a cop with a gun.
amazing contrast in behavior from the aggressor and the victim
That's the point Einstein, I am white, and have been pulled over multiple times and said I had a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by jono
Still here.
If you're black they scream at you, shoot you, then say "FUCK" really loud on video.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatchgreenchile
At least, that's SOP this week in Baton Rouge & MSP.
Huh. And you are thankful you weren't pulled over by "shaky ass white boys" because...the white boys who pulled you over were calmed by your skin tone and the nugget smell? Just trying to keep up. Carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beer Drinker
HUGE difference between what went down in Baton Rouge & MN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bromontana
In MN, an innocent man was shot to death by police....for following the law and complying with the officer's commands.
In LA, a felon with 18 convictions - including a felony that required him to register as a sex offender - which made it illegal for him to even posses a firearm was confronted after his description was given to a 911 operator and the caller informed the 911 operator that he was waving a gun around in the parking lot. Police respond to MWAG complaint, locate the person described in the 911 call & confront him. Suspect resists arrest and while 2 cops are trying to get him under control, 1 cop feels the gun and yells "GUN!". The other cop put his pistol in the suspects chest and tells him that he'll shoot him if he moves. The second video then shows the suspect reaching for his right pants pocket, and the cop shoots him. Seconds later, the video clearly shows the 2nd officer removing the illegal pistol from said felon's right pants pocket. I'm white as a sheet, but would fully expect to be shot were I in the same situation and behaving in the same way.
Truly. Interested to see how a jury feels about that contrast.Quote:
Originally Posted by digitaldeath
No you're just an idiot.
Neither were white.
That is confusing. I think maybe it was the phrase "exact situation" that had me thinking you'd have at least something in common. Maybe I should assume you're smarter and read everything as irony? You meant "exact opposite situation" then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beer Drinker
The exact situation, is getting pulled over and telling the officer you have a permit and handgun. One situation I got a speeding ticket and the officer never asked to see my gun, the other was a bit more in depth, but ended with the officer giving me my gun back and letting me go.
I'm not black, so I could not replicate the situation down to skin color. Jackass.
Oh thanks, that clears it up for me. Nice that you had all the answers.
institutionalized racism cannot not be measured
The sad thing is you'll rationalize away everything that doesn't find its way to your own stoop. Most people do.Quote:
Originally Posted by jgb@etree
And that's why you deserve to feel pain. You contribute to the misery of others with your indifference and lack of intellectual integrity/capacity.
Yeah, the Mini shooting is bad all the way around. I think that officer is going to see how the other side lives. If this guy tells you he's carrying, then he's not going to shoot you, jesus. This is one of the worst, by far!
I'm troubled by the baron rouge shooting as well after seeing the video's. Why didn't they order him down so they could secure him, and just because the "feel" the gun in his pocket doesn't mean its a threat. You can't just shoot people because they have a gun, whether a police officer or a private citizen, there needs to be a threat, not the fear of a threat...
Seriously, get off your high-horse. This place is a liberal circle jerk, this is not a reasonable representation of what people in america actually believe. A majority of people don't see the world the way you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bromontana
who fears death?
how irrational to fear the unknown
From a practical and current standpoint there is a related problem: every time someone says "black lives matter" the implied message that "white lives are safe" comes with it. That changes the weight of this conversation for white people. Every effort to approach the race side of this brings with it the unintended consequence of reinforcing the feeling of distance for a lot of people and that doesn't help.Quote:
Originally Posted by digitaldeath
Been following this thread and have been pondering (as a eurogeezer), what kind of training/school does one have to have to be qualified as a "police officer" in the states?
There are apparently a lot of different entities, the federal authorities being one and the state/county/municipal authorities as well?Like, does the local small town sheriff go through the same training (and his/her deputies) as some NYPD brethen of federal Marshals?
Caused some mild fizz in my brain as some US guy told that he had acted as an deputy for few months in a small town after a 2 week course.. Initially I thought he was some kind of a mall cop armed with a dildo and a doughnut, but apparently he was wielding blue steel.
Feels a bit weird as around here (scandi) the police have very standardized 3 or 3+1 year higher education (college) to be an officer.
Not taking a piss on the US system, but have there been any kind of discussion of...well..unfucking the situation?
Or is there some Government -> State -> County fuckshit going on that prohibits any kind of improvement?
Genuinely curious.
One of my high school hockey coaches was a special ed teacher at the school, about 3-4 years after I graduated he switched paths to become a police officer in NYC. I believe he was on the streets within a couple of months. The truth is I think if he were in a difficult situation, he could very well fuck up. I think a more rigorous course would go a long way in diminishing interactions where knee jerk reactions lead to situations that make the news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meathelmet
Depends on department. A place I used to live, you had to have a four year bachelors degree. While the downtown area was a GED, and they started in the mid 30s for pay.
What the fuck kind of talent are you going to get for 35-45k a year? You can make more bar tending or waiting tables.
The police forces need to be shrunk by a large amount. Officers should have a four year degree and a law degree IMO, and paid accordingly. Mid 100s and so on.
this is the result of private property being the foundation of a nation state
‘Smiled at everybody’
At J.J. Hill Montessori Magnet School, where Castile and co-worker Vanessa Smith served meals to more than 500 kids twice a day, he was remembered for his patience and friendly demeanor.
“He smiled at everybody who came in the building,” said Joan Edman, a paraprofessional at J.J. Hill for the past seven years. “I remember him saying, ‘I just want everybody here to be happy.’ He wanted the cafeteria to be a happy place. It was a huge goal, and not an easy one, and he did it.”
He was a cafeteria supervisor there and had worked at St. Paul Public Schools since 2002.
cops make way more than 35-45kQuote:
Originally Posted by Beer Drinker
lieutenants pull 120k in mpls
$54,504 to $69,565 beginning Annual Salary – Plus Full Benefit Package
All new Police Officers will be hired at the beginning salary, depending on previous law enforcement experience.
Denver starts their officers in the low 40s.
So you got some guy, with a few months of training and a glock, that is getting paid mid 40s for at least 2-3 years.
10.50 an hour bro.Quote:
In the aftermath of the police shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, last August, police officers from throughout St. Louis County were dispatched there to respond to mounting protests. Though the officers were doing the same jobs, they were paid starkly different wages, some as low as $10.50 an hour.
Data obtained by NBC News from 24 municipal police departments in St. Louis County reveal a gulf between police officer pay in poor, majority African-American northern cities and wealthier, whiter cities further south. Average annual patrol officer pay ranges from $23,000 in Hillsdale to nearly $70,000 in Town and County and Des Peres.
The police pay gap in St. Louis County is mirrored in metropolitan areas and rural communities around the United States, with some officers earning a comfortable middle-class living and others scraping by on poverty and near poverty wages, forced to take second and third jobs to cover basic costs.
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/in-pl...-wages-n232701
po po in Mpls get the big bucks because they have to keep DD's & his goons under controlQuote:
Originally Posted by digitaldeath
The training is different for every jurisdiction. WA has a state patrol academy, 26 weeks, I think our local police academy is 18 weeks. After that, they ride around w/ a training officer before they are fully commissioned. I think you need an AA to start but need to complete your BA at some point to move further up the ranks... I think every city/county is different. There isn't a standardized training that I know of. But I don't know tons about it.
I think "most" of you training comes from the job. If you have a shitty training officer that shows you how to fuck w/ the brownskins, chances are, you're going to be a shitty cop.
You should sign up. Just think of the opportunities.Quote:
Originally Posted by digitaldeath
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The Department of Justice is currently working with local PDs to address the problems, but it's a slow process and woefully inadequate given the scale (it will take decades to complete). They are binding though, so DOJ can shut down departments that do not fall in line. Ferguson for example, tried to ignore a major contingency on their 'cleanup plan'. As a result DOJ threatened to disband the force entirely. Ferguson then relented. They're having difficulty paying for the reforms partially because their revenue is reliant on abusive policing. Quite the cluster fuck in Ferguson, Missouri.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meathelmet
DOJ efforts are chronicled here: https://www.justice.gov/crt/special-...atters0#police
police academy movies made me want to become a police officer for a short period of my adolescent yrs
Man, the more I read about the Mini shooting, the more fucked up it is. The guy sounded like a really good guy who knew what to do when contacted by police. It sounds like he did everything by the book, the officer needs to be charged and end up in jail!
still no media outlets discussing the bootlicking epidemic
Don't want them too smart, they want them to follow orders. If you score to high on intelligence exams, they will pass you by.
Laughable when they say they need more training. They need more accountability. Oh, I didn't know that I shouldn't beat down people and abuse my position of authority. Hold them accountable and you will suddenly see what effective training looks like. These guys get away with straight up murder and excessive abuse everyday because there is such little accountability.
They need revenue generators to feed the machine. Police unions have entirely too much power. City's/public are held ransom if you try to do anything that wrangles them in.
The War on drugs coupled with post 9/11 fear/hero worship etc. has been running amok for 15 years now.
Getting harder to get the public to swallow the lies with video evidence.
Me too. The amount of senseless nudity was a strong draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by baby bear
MSP shooting... law abiding gun owner with his g/f and little girl pulled over for taillight out... volunteers his legal CCW, does what the cop tells him, gets ventilated. Thank you for your cooperation citizen!
So is that cop really a panicked ninny who should have never had a badge? Or was that cop the type who listens to Killing in the Name and smiles because Zack de la Rocha is singing about him and he should have never had a badge?
Either way, sounds like that cop needs a long time behind bars for murder.
Just in case anyone thought FLS was exaggerating: http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-b...story?id=95836Quote:
Originally Posted by FLS
Fuck the police, fuck every single one of them, the good ones the bad ones all of 'em. Pussy ass mutherfuckers
Imma go with panicked ninny and a fat one at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Police don't need more training, they need more accountability and the culture has to change from viewing the civilian populace as the enemy and subjects. If we change the mission back to "protect and serve" maybe we can recruit the right type of people into LEO jobs. People who would otherwise go into healthcare, firefighting, teaching etc. We need people who want to make things better and genuinely care about other people.