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Thanks. I can see the new profile fitting your feedback on them. It was an amazing ski but i think i'd really like the new one. I was happy at -1.5 on my protests and i miss them big time. On the dimple with the new one would be next level fun af, i thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by swissbro
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I agree. Although my current pair are working great, I’m eager to try a new pair mounted on the recommended dot. If they ski like my wife’s new pair they’ll work driving them or skiing them centered. She’s never had a better day skiing.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
I skied the MF108s a lot this year when i would normally reach for protests. they are a great 1-ski quiver for soft snow.
But man, getting back on protests for a 12" pow day reminded me how much fun a true pow ski is and how much more confidence inspiring they are. Also how much more a FAT ski underfoot beats up my knees and ankles than something thinner.
I raised the issue that my Protests and Quixotes would change shape a ton, the rocker would be drastically different from the start of the day to the end. That was one of the reasons I moved on from Praxis. The Protests depending on how cold it was would go from 1-2mm of camber to completely reverse camber. The Qs if I skied them a a few days back to back would slowly have more reverse camber over time, then if I let them “rest” they would go back to having camber again.Quote:
Originally Posted by swissbro
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^^ not sure i follow. Differences in above pic is from design tweaks in latest generation vs prior
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Originally Posted by SeatownSlackey
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Awesome, thanks for the feedback and pics man. That new rocker profile looks good. I like how my 192’s ski with the old profile, esp in chop. Be interesting to ski these inbounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by swissbro
Skibird, that rocker pic has zero to do with a build issue, it’s the new rocker profile. Your incessant bitching is getting old. Take it up with Keith. I own three presses from Praxis with zero issues and know of a ton of others with Praxis builds without issue.
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the least he could do is share his drugs so we can transcend our frame of referenceQuote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
I have 187 in stiff flex, and wood veneer top sheet. They are my powder day skis and day after. They crush anything soft and can also crank on them to carve good enough to get back to lift on groomers. Amazing how these changed deep powder skiing for me. Keith is the man. Just ordered some RX for soft snow daily drivers and for powder up to 6". I only take out the Protests when it over 6" deep. My favorite ski because I know when they are on the day is going to be good.
FNG here too. Been lurking for over 15 years. Finally pulled the trigger on joining this shit show rodeo mainly for the stoke on Praxis.
Curious. I have never claimed to be a good powder skier (just not enough practice) so I am always looking for any ski that can help. Likely 15 years ago I bought some Powder boards in gear swap and thought they were a gift from Ullr until I had to get back to the lift. Tried the newer version of Keith's Lhasa Fats and didn't do so well, so I bought some Protest and finally got a few days on them this season. On a day where the snow was very light they were fantastic and very confidence inspiring. A few days later in heavy snow I struggled. So obviously my lack of skill and heavy snow is likely the reason the Lhasa Fats didn't work so good for me. I only ask as I was going to sell the LF's but now think I will keep them to try and luck into some dry pow with them. I need to go to Utah next season for a few weeks.
Both of those skis kill it in heavy pow, esp the protest. Get off the tails on the LF and press the tips. They are not a tail gunner ski by any stretch and most that don’t jive with them are. The protest wants a more centered stance and they both want/need speed to really shine, the protest will go slower in pow just need to be more centered balanced.
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Utah is not that much pow. But we try Love my protest in most conditions but they rule hot powQuote:
Originally Posted by liv2ski
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Effortless in most any 3d snow. A lot of people mount them @-1.5 because they may struggle w tip dive on the dimple. The new profile looks like it may help mount on the dimple
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I like -1.5 because I can press the tips a little harder than the dimple and not be so centered/upright on it, more stacked athletic stance. They rule!
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Exactly, they still pivot on a dime when need or want arises
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Do you know which year they change the profile on the Protest?Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
(Tangential: GPO--Keith changed the profile once and then went back to the original.)
I believe this season was the first release of the new profile.Quote:
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I had heard pf the change sometime in the last year. These are the first comparison pics ive seen. I loved the last model but im betting the added splay will be even betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Jim S
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Thank you. I have an old pair of 196 (12 years old?) flex 3 and ordered a new pair of 187 flex 4 for 23/24/Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
New rocker in a -1cm build with a HH core could also be sweet
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Mine were great w the 3 flex but i thought 4 would be the sweet spot as well. Cant wait to hear more reviews on the newest designQuote:
Originally Posted by Jim S
I think so. Thats a dream i cant seem to forget. One dayQuote:
Originally Posted by bry
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I snagged an older pair of 192/4 Flex Protests earlier in the season and have a few days out on them. Right now, my next widest skis are the Enforcer 115 Free’s. I rode my Protests mounted on the dimple, and like many others here it seems, experienced a bit of tip dive…Surprisingly more tip dive than my E115’s mounted on the line. The Protests are on some Warden demos so I’ll move them back and see how it goes from there. Other than that, they’re super fun for charging 3D variable snow during/after a storm. My initial reaction is that they’re maybe a little overkill for Utah snow, BUT I think they’ll be perfect when I make the move back to Oregon. I’m really interested to hear everyone’s thoughts on the new model. Those side-by-side pictures definitely make it seem like the new ones won’t have as much tip dive as the old ones.
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Keep in mind the positive ramp delta on warden demos is not going to translate well to most any standard binding if you want to remount.
What is the fwd lean on your boots? At the dimple you meed to be really centered in your weight, more instep than ball of foot. I run an 11 deg boot and ski mine at -1.5, well -1.75 to be exact, science was involved…Quote:
Originally Posted by BlazersTimbers503
Mount yours back and give them another rip, esp if you haven’t been on this type of shape before.
Protests rule!
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My particular pair was mounted at least once before so I don’t plan on swapping out the demos on these puppies. But just out of curiosity, positive ramp delta = toe lower than the heel, correct? I know that’s the case with the STH2’s (at least more so than most other bindings) and I’m so used to STH2’s it’s awkward feeling when I’m on anything else. I hated the flat feeling of the pivots when I tried them this season (crazy, I know). Do the Warden demos have a similar delta to the STH2s?Quote:
Originally Posted by jackattack
I think of positive binding delta as toe higher than heel. It has the effect of decreasing forward lean.
I don’t think sth is toe high
I know pivots are flat or negative depending on afd type.
I ski 192 protests at -1.75 with pivots.
187 protest at -1 and 192 at -1.5
Both are flex 3 and rule the day
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What is it about the new rocker profile that has people here saying they might be more conducive to mounting on or closer to dimple?
Unpopular opinion, but I didn’t really like my Protests (or Powder Boards). Both older designs (2nd version of protest and 2nd (pre-spoon) version of powderboards.
I always fought with tip dive. I think they are a better ski for very light density powder (like Utah) where you are in the snow anyways so you don’t really worry about being on top of the snow or getting thrown forward. As well as steep terrain.
Heavy PNW Pow and Sierra cement, and low angle terrain- I MUCH prefer a more pintailed ski like my 17’ Cease and Desists (or any BG model) or my Lhasa Pow Fats. I want my tails to sink in more than my tips, and a big fat tip to be supportive of driving the shovel of the ski more or if I get thrown forward on landings.
That being said, I do really like my Praxis/PM Gear Kusalas which haves similar profile to Protests. Can’t remember feeling much too dive ever with them this season.
Maybe because the Kusala’s are stiffer (5++ flex vs the 3+ and 4 flex protests I had)? I think I’m -1 on the Kusalas which is about the same as the Protest too.
I did mostly ski them in lighter density storms though this year.
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I agree with this take. The protest shines in light and deep and particularly first tracks, the goats smash maritime mank and once it’s all chop.
187s on the dimple. Cold dead hands skis.
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Custom Protests showed up today. Couldn't be happier with the work Keith did on these.
187cm 4-flex Enduro Carbon. Ambrosia veneer.
Beauties!!
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Fuck that’s hot!
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Perfection
So whats the consensus on mount point with the new rocker profile? Still -1.5 back? Or might the increased tip rocker solve some of the tip dive people have mentioned and allow for something closer to dimple?
I’m wondering about it too. My wife has a pair of the new ones and she is on the dot. Generally I bump everything she skis ahead 1 cm.Quote:
Originally Posted by cocoapuff
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Do they just have added tip rocker and splay or do the tails also have that treatment? I'd guess yoj could get to the dimple or closer if its just the tip that got a massageee
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I am not sure how they compare to the older rocker profile as I have never skied them (older ones). I tried my best to capture the new profile in these photos.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch