Sopranos?

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Originally posted by tuffy109
i think Sack's going down.

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I hear it's Silvio - not blood, but close enough to hurt Tony.

from another board, a good post:

Ok, I understand why Angelo got hit (revenge for the Joe Peeps hit) BUT-every new person we met this season has been killed off, with the exception of Franki Valli. Silvio has been in the background and Paulie hasn't done much either, although there was lots of foreshadowing last year that he may switch alliances. Anyhoo, here is something from the hbo boards I thought was a hoot. Feel free to play along:

i thought this was a great post from Gen Con...

sd882001 - 5/16/04 11:46PM PDT (1602 of 1622)
Episode 62: A Christmas Carol
The episode's dream sequence is structured in the framework of Charles Dickens' "A Christmas Carol". To spare a lengthy entry, I will assume readers understand the premise of ACC. A snippet of an old version of ACC is actually shown inthe episode.

Scrooge (Tony Soprano) is a "avaricious, misanthropic and heartless". After he is visited by the ghost of his former business partner, Marley, he sees visions of his past, present and future that inspire him.

Tony is visited by a former business partner, Carmine, and just as the spectres in the Dickens classic point with an extended arm instructing Scrooge to advance station to station; from past to present, present to future, so do the characters in Tony's dream sequence.

Past: Car ride with former dead associates. This stage of the dream sequence ends with Tony's old flame, sitting in Melfi's chair, omnipotently extends an arm and points to the TV for Tony to advance to the next stage.

Present: Attending the dinner with Carmela celebrating Meadows engagement...it's in this scene that we see the snippet of ACC. This stage ends with Artie telling Tony he has to advance to the future.

Future: Tony S has a premonition of what Tony B will do. A "mob" chasing him down to kill him is what will ensue in his future if Tony does not change his ways/kill Tony B as he was supposed in the dream. Tony learns his lessons just like Scrooge.

My take on the dream sequence running for the entire episode is Tony S asking Carmela if it's light where she is...he would not ask this question awake since the Soprano residence is a short ride away from the Plaza. It's Tony wondering if Carmela is ready to reconcile and move on...he asks the question again as the screen goes black and the episode ends. Along the same lines, in the real Soprano world, Tony B has not attempted to kill anyone yet. Tony S fell asleep worried/concerned Tony B may do something and it manifests in his dream. Chris reporting to Tony at the end is part of the dream.

I'm confident I'm onto sonething with the ACC reference and framework being applied, but I know there are many questions this theory creates...I need to think about it a little more....

Sorry for the lengthy post...my first and I hope it generates some discussion...

Later

if you're going to do a spoiler alert, PLEASE leave some fucking space between "spoiler alert" and what you're ruining.

That was one of the best I've seen.
Phil Leotardo bleeding on the ground "Excuse, me how long do I have to stay like this?"

And the -cough- hot mistress....

"I'll take care of everything, medical bills, wig, whatever.."

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Originally posted by Aldo

Phil Leotardo bleeding on the ground "Excuse, me how long do I have to stay like this?"

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"what do i have to count to before i can get back up?"

that part was great.

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Originally posted by tuffy109
if you're going to do a spoiler alert, PLEASE leave some fucking space between "spoiler alert" and what you're ruining.

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I didn't do a spoiler alert because I don't believe rumors I read on the internet - I may *hear* it's Silvio, but there's no basis in fact for it. Every "spoiler alert" I read based on rumor turns out to be false. I think it's just more conjecture. But I do like that guy's analysis of last night's episode...

too wordy and too analytical for me.

people should let lynch-style stuff be as it is and just go with it. film/tv nerds are the worst.

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Originally posted by tuffy109
film/tv nerds are the worst.

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hey - I'm one of 'em :rolleyes:

you think i can't remember things for more than a week?

How long has Frankie Valli been around? I just saw the coming attractions, and saw him in next week's.
God, it's cool to be born and raised in Jersey.

http://images.ibsys.com/2004/0325/2950162_120X90.jpg

Good grief... here comes the NY Times analysis:rolleyes::

Analyze This: Tony Soprano Had a Dream. A Long One.

By Julie Salamon

Yesterday morning before seeing patients, Dr. Glen O. Gabbard, a Houston psychiatrist, checked his e-mail. He found several urgent messages from colleagues, all with the same questions: "What did you think of the dream? How did you analyze the dream?"

The patient had been a fascinating case study for years, but lately the doctors had found him a little boring. On Sunday night, though, Tony Soprano came through for them again. He delivered the longest dream anyone could remember on television, lasting almost 21 minutes, with psychological significance and pop cultural references ladled on like hot fudge onto a shrink sundae of guilt, remorse, fear and retribution. Whipped cream, too: Annette Bening (Warren Beatty's wife and co-star in "Bugsy," the gangster movie), playing herself.

What could be yummier?

"The dream had a level of depth and complexity that you almost never see on television," said Dr. Gabbard, a professor of psychiatry at Baylor College of Medicine. "The dream has the psychological sophistication of someone who's been in therapy for years and who knows what therapy is about."

That someone is the series creator, David Chase. "The major theme in the dream is Tony's impotence to do what he has to do," Dr. Gabbard said, taking time between patients to reflect on his favorite subject in a telephone interview. "Again and again he reaches for his gun, and it's not there. When he tries to use the gun it won't fire and the bullets crumble.

"His high school coach even makes some reference to the gun as a phallic symbol. There is this recurring theme that he is a castrated impotent man who is not up to the task of retaliation. Once again you see the Shakespearean theme that David Chase is so fond of."

The dream came as a relief to Dr. Gabbard, who had been finding the season until Sunday night to be hit and miss. "The actions of the characters have not always grown out of the psychology of the characters," he said. "The great example is when Steve Buscemi decides to beat up the Korean-American dry cleaner guy who's basically his savior. It doesn't seem psychologically motivated by what's going on, but rather a plot device thought up by a writer."

Dr. Gabbard's interest goes well beyond water-cooler stakes. He has bared his obsession for the world to see. He published a book called "The Psychology of `The Sopranos' " (Basic Books, 2002), and for two years he took part in a weekly discussion of the series on Slate.

Not everyone was so enchanted by Tony's dream and its multitude of movie references indicating that a big showdown lay ahead. Noelle Hannon, a Manhattan psychologist, said she was glad when the sequence began because she had become disenchanted with the show.

"The humor allowing you to distance yourself from it is gone," she said. "Now it's just heavy and dark and watching it isn't as much fun."

She was heartened by the dream sequence only to be disappointed. "I started interpreting the dream because I love to do that, and then it just went on and on," she said. "I said to my husband: `This dream is going on too long. Who cares?' "

Not Dr. Hannon. She stopped watching long before the dream sequence ended, she said.

Postings on the official Sopranos Web site (www.hbo.com/sopranos/) were mixed. And on Brainwash, an online magazine devoted to the conservative and libertarian view, a disappointed fan, originally from Newark and now living in Florida, wrote that Sunday night's episode convinced him that the show needed a jolt, and that he was writing a script for it.

"All I can tell you is that there will not be any ridiculous returning dreams sequences from high school, no teacher conferences at Anthony's school, and not so much of Carmela either," he wrote. "The public don't care about that junk. They want to see mob business, not Tony arguing with Carmela about how she cannot afford to keep the pool filter running. At this point I have decided to contact the writers or David Chase or whoever is necessary to give this show the adrenaline shot in the heart it so desperately needs to live."

Dr. Gabbard said he understood. "One of the appeals of the show is the way it works on so many different levels," he said. "It's appreciated by people who just like blood and guts and by people who like the complexity of the dream."

this is going back to last weeks episode, but i was wondering if anyone else got a kick out of it when they essentially compared the Bush administration to the mob. i thought that was hilarious. i think the line was: "they(the admin.) were too busy handing out non-competitive contracts to their friends." and then Paulie (i think) replied "yeah, that's something we can relate too"

i loved the end when tony broke Janice into pieces over her son.

Well, it wasn't Silvio...

Tony v. Johnny Sack.

Should be interesting.

Finally... a proper episode. Glad to see they found a cure for Ad's irritable bowel syndrome.

That was a long time coming. I liked the part about how they lead up to the whole thing, Chrissy being hurt, etc.


Next episode shoulf be great, shit's going to hit the fan.

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Originally posted by Anxious Mo-Fo
Finally... a proper episode. Glad to see they found a cure for Ad's irritable bowel syndrome.

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Agreed, she should ahve been dealt with ages ago, that story was played out. That said, I'll miss that ass.

Just goes to show Chrissy has earned his spot alongside Tony.

great episode. a couple good quotes -


"Where the fuck you been? " - Tony

"Highway was jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive. " - Christopher




"Anything on Tony B.? " - Christopher

"Nah, he's still on the milk carton " - Silvio

Question of the week,

Who all will get whacked next week?

I definitely see Tony B, getting hit, but think that he may take down Phil Leotardo with him maybe more if he goes ape-shit, which I think he's bound to do.

Chrissy should get some more power, the gambling hall, etc passed to him, assuming he doesn't get back into the H.

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Originally posted by CaddyDaddy77


Chrissy should get some more power, the gambling hall, etc passed to him, assuming he doesn't get back into the H.

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wadafukk?!?
Christophu couldn't even handle the Cigerette trade without fuckin it up, had a drug hit in the club with out knowing it, & damn near got turned by the feds.
hes a user who thinks he can "cheat " with his addictions.
hes a weak link & if he wasn't family would be dead by now already, capish?!?

FACK

Stupid cable company cut us off 4 days too early. No HBO = No Sopranos. Damn college town, nobody has HBO. I'd try to download it, but I have cable internet.

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Originally posted by Woodsy
wadafukk?!?
Christophu couldn't even handle the Cigerette trade without fuckin it up, had a drug hit in the club with out knowing it, & damn near got turned by the feds.
hes a user who thinks he can "cheat " with his addictions.
hes a weak link & if he wasn't family would be dead by now already, capish?!?

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Haaaa!

It's going to happen, worthy or not, some more responsibility is going to be pushed his way.

On that note was it just me or did they mention that they were getting sweated by the feds for the cigarette tax stamps and then totally dropped it, no mention for the rest of the episode. ???

Methinks the feds are going to grab Chrissy, probably all fucked up celebrating after getting a promotion.

So my TV gets fried last week by a passing storm. and I finally get a new 32", just like Tony's. So. like, I'm back. Well, well, she dropped fast.

Why do some people, after, what, like 70 episodes, keep insisting on predictions?

I'm getting excited about Sunday, and this article I just read helped boost it:

Sopranos' to Air Its Fifth-Season Finale

49 minutes ago

By FRAZIER MOORE, AP Television Writer

NEW YORK - Poor Adriana: Scuttling on all fours across dead leaves in a forest until Silvio, Tony Soprano's consigliere, popped her with two shots. That was Adriana's ghastly end on the most recent episode of "The Sopranos," underlining how business is business in a mob family — even for Ade, a terribly reluctant FBI (news - web sites) informant whose own fiance, Soprano soldier Christopher Moltisanti, set in motion the hit Tony ordered.

"The Sopranos" airs its fifth-season finale Sunday at 9 p.m. EDT on HBO.

Exactly what awaits Tony, his New Jersey mob and the family at home is known to only one man: series creator David Chase. But mounting evidence ensures that few, if any, of these characters will dodge some measure of damnation. Or deserve to.

Just consider their accelerating moral slide this season.

Early on, Tony (James Gandolfini ) welcomed back from prison his cousin Tony Blundetto (Steve Buscemi ), who resolved to go straight, but quickly caved. Then, after joining the Soprano mob, he betrayed that cause, too, by settling a grudge against a member of another gang. "Tony B." has now put "Tony S." in the grim position of sacrificing him to appease New York boss Johnny Sack (Vince Curatola).


The season found Tony in turmoil over his separation from wife Carmela (Edie Falco), while their sulky teenage son, A.J. (Robert Iler), sank further into life as a hump. Spoiled daughter Meadow (Jamie-Lynn Discala) became engaged to Finn, a squeaky-clean fellow college student whose health has already been endangered by his ties to her.


And in the most recent episode, Tony made a successful bid to reconcile with Carmela, vowing that "my mid-life crisis problems will no longer intrude on you anymore." Dubbioso. Nonetheless, Carmela has reclaimed her place in his world just in time, it seems, to join him as he swirls down the drain.


Ever since the show's first episode, when he had a panic attack beside his swimming pool, Tony has lived on shaky ground. This season, viewers got new information why.


He's been plagued by guilt since missing the heist that sent Tony B. away for 15 years. And, worse, his absence wasn't from a mugging hours earlier that put him in the hospital, as he always claimed, but, shamefully, because he had a panic attack after an argument with his mother — then collapsed and cut his head.


He is still pained by memories of high school sports, which inspires one of the season's most touching moments: He tries to reason with Alzheimer's-afflicted Uncle Junior (Dominic Chianese (news)), who keeps bringing up Tony's failures as a jock.


"Why does it gotta be something mean? Why can't you repeat something good?" Tony asks. "Don't you love me?"


And he discovers, to his shock, that his cherished childhood dog ended up in the home of his father's mistress and her kid, after his monstrous mother made his father get rid of it.


One measure of the greatness of "The Sopranos" is how Tony's increasingly stark image as a fiend is counterbalanced by these new revelations into what shaped the fiendishness.


From the beginning, Tony has wrestled with his tortured psyche in therapy sessions with Dr. Melfi (Lorraine Bracco (news)). But during a memorable episode this year, his psyche was laid bare in a 21-minute dream sequence that, among other startling sights, found Tony in his living room astride the racehorse that last season perished in a fire. From the sofa, Carmela laid down a condition for his moving back home: "You can't have your horse in here."


This season, as usual, "The Sopranos" has been rich with violence and blood, and, even more, with brooding tension. But, as always, it's been funny, too.


Poor Adriana (Drea de Matteo), tormented by her status as a snitch! She fretted herself into a case of irritable bowel syndrome. Sad — but funny.


Meanwhile, not-so-wise-guy Paulie Walnuts (Tony Sirico) was good for an inadvertent howler, such as when he counseled Tony B. against doing business with Koreans: "Word to the wise: Remember Pearl Harbor!"


And maybe the funniest line of all came from serial screw-up Christopher (Michael Imperioli).Summoned by his Uncle Tony for a reaming, he came armed with excuses, but for the wrong offense: "This about the Easter baskets?"

"I don't even know what THAT is," Tony sighed. "And to tell you the truth, I don't want to know."

What is awaiting Tony this Sunday, and beyond, that he doesn't want to know? Viewers are itching to find out!

A shame that my favorite two favorite characters from the past year have been shown the door: Feech and Johnny Sack.

Last night did have a classic exchange though, the bit about Alcoholics Anonymous.

"We're from Alcoholics Anonymous"

"What's your name?"

"We're anonymous!"

There were some good turns last night.


AJ, looks to be a promoter from the jist I got, maybe the next DK?

Liked Tony's decision to deal with his cousin, but it was still an eye-opener.

The end was interesting, wonder how he gets his caddy-lac back?

Tony was inspired by the painting of himself as a General... gotta love that- great writing.

i dunno, anti-climatic if you ask me.

sac gets popped? isnt that

CON VEEEEnient!

2 much spec home bullchit.

disappointedon this end, but hey 6 feet under starts soon

It appears that by not overreacting to all the bullshit going down, Tony saved himself and his crew, coming out on top with the Brooklyn crew getting taken out by the feds. That puts him squarely in the drivers seat and all his boys kicking themselves in the ass for doubting him. Yes?

then technincally, he didn't have to kill buscemi

edit: it would've been cool if they had a doogie howser cameo at the hospital

Found this interview with David Chase in the NPR archives:

http://freshair.npr.org/guest_fa.jht...AEJVLA5AINSFFA

Bet they are offering him a King's ransom to take it beyond the next season.

The actor who plays the fat gay guy (the one Meadow's boyfriend saw gettin' busy with the security guard) was on Howard Stern recently, and he said they won't begin production of the final season until next April... which means we've got a long wait, probably October 2005, for new shows.

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